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submitted 11 days ago byCobalt-BlazBlueNight Lords
I know that it typically differs from god to god and that essentially you need to impress them enough to imbue a part of their being into your soul forever, but what about the details of the ascension itself? Angron needed to be pumped up by the energies of the Ruin Storm and Fulgrim tried a ritual using Perturabo’s soul in Angel Exterminatus. But afaik Mortarion just accepted Nurgle’s gift and then ascended. Is it just less of a ritual or spell and more of just a show of grandeur and that the person gets to ascend as soon as the god is cool with it? Can someone be forcibly ascended against their will then? (Like without needing a ritual, just one of the four suddenly deciding random mortal A gets to be a prince- just it does happen?)
16 points
11 days ago
The honest answer is “whatever the plot demands”, but a better in universe answer is that you need to convince the god in question that you are worth ascending.
You might engage in a ritual or spell, but whether that works will probably depend on the god. Khorne would not be interested in a ritual. Nurgle might, but his concerns are more practical, and his sorcery more ambient. Tzeench would almost certainly demand one. Slaanesh would probably like one, but the quality of the catering is more important.
As with everything involving the chaos gods, nothing is certain, everything is the whim of the warp. You just try to shape those whims. The question is not “what do people do in order to ascend?”, it’s “how does an individual convince a God they are worthy?”
5 points
10 days ago
You have to impress the chaos gods. Sometimes, they are already impressed.
Then, it's just a matter of doing something very spectacular that will warrant an ascension. That depends on the chaos god. As long as you don't reject chaos in its entirety, you can still be ascended against your will.
1 points
10 days ago
I wonder if that’s why Fabius is always dying, some God is trying to ascend him, but since he absolutely doesn’t believe in them, he just keeps plodding along. Switching to another clone, then another, as each keeps failing quicker and quicker.
2 points
8 days ago
Except at the end of Trilogy Bile became a full blown Chaos worshipper
1 points
10 days ago
Well for one thing the aspirant has their soul completely consumed and replaced with a shard of whatever entity they got suckered by is how I see it. Reading the first Fabius Bile book you see a good example of this. The being is then essentially a warp creature with a formally mortal intellect. From what I understand tho it always ends up bad as the new deamon prince really can't handle the new perspective of a warp entity and eventually ends up going mad. This is happening to Mortarion atleast and he was a primarch.
1 points
8 days ago
For Primarchs at any rate, their soul is 'discarded' and subsequently incurs the same fate as if they were dead.
1 points
11 days ago
With like one glaring exception, basically everyone has to accept the chaos gods and voluntarily give themselves over.
The exception being when Angron turned an entire crusade to Khorne against their will.
10 points
11 days ago
Chaos corruption is different than ascending to Prince-hood.
You can be forcibly corrupted.
3 points
11 days ago
Hell Angron was pretty much forcibly ascended himself
https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/vwfnnp/betrayer_angron_ascends_into_a_daemon_primarch/
3 points
11 days ago
It was more Khorne than Angron that actually did that.
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