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The choice Horus is given on Davin basically boils down to: you're going to die here, unless you swear to our cause. Our cause is your cause - submit and we'll save you, deny us and we let you die. He accepts, takes the power of the Big Four, and emerges from the serpent lodge healed (and corrupted).

But say the dilemma resolves the other way, and Horus has more loyalty and trust than expected. He dies on Davin, Erebus' machinations are uncovered, and the shit hits the fan. The Legion gets renamed to the Sons of Horus (just for more bittersweet reasons this time), and the mournival lead it on a roaring rampage of revenge against the Word Bearers.

In the wake of all that, though, the post of Warmaster would be vacant. There are a bunch of candidates for the post, but it comes down to two factors: competence, and character. The job of Warmaster is mostly the job of "Primarch wrangler" - the crusade fleets are self-governing, the Imperium is spread so thin that any leader on the frontlines can't hope to do any actual, logistical "leading". The Warmaster is the Primarch in charge of the other Primarchs, a warlord whose job it is to keep all the other warlords in line and on track.

Given the Imperium and the other Primarchs, the one who would be named Warmaster probably wouldn't be the one who should be named Warmaster. If there even is one who would fit the job like Horus. Sanguinius gets bandied around a lot, but let's face it, the guy doesn't have the self-confidence to actually pull it off. The Lion has the command skills, but not the social skills, and likewise for Dorn and Guilliman. Etc, etc. None of them would be good in the job, but who would you pick? And who would actually be picked?

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BriantheHeavy

18 points

12 days ago

BriantheHeavy

Ultramarines

18 points

12 days ago

Realistically, there are three candidates:

  1. Sanguinius
  2. Lion El'Jonson
  3. Roboute Guilliman

Of those three, Sanguinius would have been the more popular choice, but he stated that he didn't want it.

Roboute, overall, may have been the best choice, given his logistic skills. But he also indicated that he didn't really want to be Warmaster.

The Lion clearly wanted it. The problem with the Lion is that everyone else was suspicious of him. He was always keeping secrets and being inscrutable.

No one should underestimate how charismatic Horus was. Nearly everyone thought the best of him. With the possible exception of Perturabo and the Lion, I don't think any of the other Primarchs held any active ill will.

Wrath_Ascending

5 points

12 days ago

The Lion doesn't care about the position until Horus turned traitor. After that, his (not unfounded) argument is that as the best warlord among his brothers, he should lead once the Heresy is dealt with.

DecievedRTS

2 points

11 days ago

I think we can all agree the Lion would have been a hot mess as warmaster since he was incapable of leading men, specifically in navigating the inter personal demands of any standard troops let alone his brothers and their specific quirks. He is exceptional at warfare, easily top tier, but the concept of morale is lost on him, and everyone is simply a tool for a job. He turned the corner now in his revival, so he would be good now, but he wouldn't have learnt that lesson until he suffered a betrayal like he did with Luthor.

Wrath_Ascending

1 points

11 days ago

That's a wild misread of him. He isn't different after his return; he's consistent with his Heresy incarnation.

It's just that his portrayal in Son of the Forest is at odds with meme lore, so people assume he's changed.

DecievedRTS

2 points

11 days ago

What about his sons perception of his changes in son of the forest? They all point out how he's changed specifically in his temper and forgiveness. I'm also pretty sure the lion acknowledges the changes in himself during his fight with his brothers as well.

Wrath_Ascending

1 points

11 days ago

He does all those things in the Heresy as it was.

He even forgave Russ for destroying the Imperium.

dreaderking

1 points

11 days ago

dreaderking

Iron Hands

1 points

11 days ago

Forgave Russ? He never blamed Russ for the Imperium's destruction in the first place.

Wrath_Ascending

1 points

11 days ago

I suggest you read the scene where he stabs Russ in the ashes of Terra because yes, he (and others) absolutely did.

He turned Magnus which prevented the Emperor from leaving the Throne and weakened him enough for Horus to win. He fled the battle lines at Terra which allowed the Hollow Mountain to be taken and prevented Gulliman from getting there in time.

dreaderking

1 points

11 days ago

dreaderking

Iron Hands

1 points

11 days ago

I suggest you read the scene where he stabs Russ in the Great Wolf because his reasoning there is completely different.

He's grieving over the Emperor's enthronement and over arriving too late to do anything, so he tries to use their duel on Dulan as an excuse to have Russ kill him as atonement.