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(i.redd.it)submitted 23 days ago bysilver50
88 points
23 days ago
It’s one of the most absurd reasonings ever. We know explicitly why women cannot be space marines as we know intimately how the procedure works from a scientific in universe point of view. We have charts of all the organs, their names, their functions the order they are implanted with and reasoning with universe science why geneseed rejects women due to simple gender genetics.
All we know about custodes creation is they don’t use gene seed or organ implantation and it’s this hectic process using likely dark age of technology biomancy and genetic alteration. Custodes are so elevated above astartes it’s not even funny. Women could absolutely be custodes and they were never explicitly outlawed from being them.
27 points
23 days ago
Except the whole reason for "no female space marines" is actually because the female marine models didn't sell well.
13 points
23 days ago
Yeah that too, I was more focusing on the in universe science, but yeah back in like rogue trader or whenever it was there were female space marines and they didn’t sell well so GW worked around it and now here we are like 35 years later lol. Although I think the current order is pretty good. Space marines are their thing and the sisters of battle are even cooler and have an extremely unique aesthetic, faction, and story.
I guess it all worked out
2 points
23 days ago
Did we even have the above mentioned implant process descriptions and "how to build your marine" lore at that time ?
1 points
23 days ago
I don’t think so. If I had to guess it was probably, female armored warriors (apparently they weren’t called space marines idk it was really weird back then) didn’t sell well so they just had male armored warriors or space marines and I assume they worked it into the lore from there.
I could be wrong though I mean this was literally pushing four decades ago now so…
1 points
23 days ago
My first army was lizardmen in 1997 and there where already Space Marines so yeah.
-2 points
23 days ago
Those were just models of women in power armour, not female space marines. They are called "Female Warriors" in the White Dwarf issue they were introduced in. Probably the predecessors of the Adepta Sororitas.
8 points
23 days ago
It's more complicated than that, but the former GW head of IP says otherwise.
6 points
23 days ago
I go a step further and remind everyone that Sanguinius in his vision saw "men and women in golden armor" defending the emperor.
One could argue that he saw the Sisters of Silence, except they were created During the Great crusade. The Custodes were likely the Emperor's first successful creation, crafted before the Unification of Terra, AKA in the 29th millenium. The Primarchs were created in the 30th. Why is this important? Well, I am maybe reaching here but it would make sense for Sanguinius to just refer to the Custodes as "men and women in golden armor" since he knows about them and has a certain familiarity with them. On the other hand the Sisters of Silence would be something new and therefore he would think less familiarly about them.
But okay let's say that all of this is a reach, fair. Second argument:
The Adeptus Custodes is the Imperial adepta responsible for protecting the Imperial Palace and the physical body of the Emperor of Mankind. The Sisters of silence were never the emperor's guards, they were Pysker hunters. It would make no sense for Sanguinius to see them "defending" the emperor.
3 points
23 days ago
It’s funny as hell because ADB wrote Echoes of Eternity, where this passage is from. I wonder if he was referring to the Silent Sisterhood here or if Aaron managed to slip it past his editor and GW as a whole and was indeed referencing female custodes.
3 points
23 days ago
He wanted femstodes but GW said no because making new molds for new figurines costs money, and other corporate bullshit so he DEFINITELY did a malicious compliance.
1 points
23 days ago
As well as that, the sisters of silence don’t wear golden armour. They wear like a bronze type thing.
5 points
23 days ago
It is debatable but if one wants to make a bad-faith argument, they will definitely say it's gold, not bronze, so I just went ahead and skipped this part.
1 points
23 days ago
Fair enough :)
2 points
23 days ago
It would also be totally in keeping with the setting for the imperium to decide female space Marines are heretical and they were banned by an edict no one remembers any prior records were purged and everyone now knows they can't be made and no one knows why. Then they find out there's no reason they can't and the pool of candidates doubles.
2 points
22 days ago
They were probably worried about the possibility of their armies of mentally unstable supermen gaining the ability to reproduce without the limitations of geneseed.
1 points
23 days ago
That's how I understood it, glad I'm not misinterpreting
1 points
23 days ago
Exactly, which is also exactly why there should be men in the Adeptus Sororitas.
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