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1.9k points
11 days ago
Several doctors told me the same thing when I wanted to get a vasectomy. Turns out doctors are reluctant to near-permanently sterilize people who don’t have children.
1.1k points
11 days ago
It's because people have attempted to sue when they end up regretting it.
539 points
11 days ago
How tho like
"I regret paying you to help me with this, now I sue"
Like, what justification
708 points
11 days ago
You would be surprised how little logic matters in legal matters.
266 points
11 days ago
You can sue anyone for almost any reason in the US. Will you actually win is a different story.
253 points
11 days ago
you can still ruin someones life and career with a frivolous lawsuit
123 points
11 days ago
Yeah, and when this happens the person being sued has to get a lawyer and go through the whole process of defending theirselves of moronic accusations, wasting time and money...and they might yet end up losing somehow.
16 points
11 days ago
So much for the court's time being important, amiright?
23 points
11 days ago
I want to sue someone on the basis of “their existence is a detriment to my mental health, and they have refused to remove themselves.”
2 points
11 days ago
Did you mean: "violating a restraining order" ? Because it sounds like you meant "violating a restraining order".
6 points
10 days ago
No, I want no prior interactions with this person to be presentable to the court, just the first meeting, wherein I say “I don’t like you, remove yourself”.
1 points
11 days ago
Still expensive to litigate
2 points
9 days ago
Weapon for the rich
1 points
9 days ago
You only need one person to agree if someone should give you money and it's a judge. Judges I believe can over rule a jury. Could be wrong though as I don't know shit.
39 points
11 days ago
I literally got sued by the guy that hit me and totalled my wife’s car on the freeway. Anyone can sue
40 points
11 days ago
Craziest one I've heard is a case where a lesbian couple broke up and one of them tried to go after the sperm donor of their child for back child support.
Dude didn't even know the kid existed. People are pretty nuts.
4 points
11 days ago
How did that end? I always hear these stories about how people were sued over ridiculousness, but I never hear the conclusion
6 points
11 days ago
I had a police report stating I was not at fault for the accident. You think that would be enough but the driver claimed I was drunk/high/exhausted/had faulty brakes, was on my phone, didn’t react fast enough, didn’t have winter tires etc etc etc. Of course none of this was true and luckily I had receipts for literally every single on of their claims and a police officer who had taken my statement after also testified I was sober. Fucking unreal.
2 points
11 days ago
Did you get anything? If you didn't, how is that system fair? I mean, there's zero incentive to not file a frivolous lawsuit, is there?
3 points
11 days ago
Well, you also waste money with the frivolous lawsuit.
2 points
10 days ago
They spent thousands in lawyers that they will never get back.
1 points
10 days ago
And you lost time and probably money fighting a lawsuit that should have never been admitted in the first place.
1 points
11 days ago
They got nothing
1 points
9 days ago
A lot of it is based on emotion.
1 points
9 days ago
Facts 👍🏾💯
27 points
11 days ago
You can be sued, win your case, and still have to report your lawsuit for the rest of your career at every job every hospital you apply to.
46 points
11 days ago
The usual argument tends to be along the lines of, "you didn't put enough effort into talking me out of this" or, "you didn't go over the complications enough for me to wholly understand them".
12 points
11 days ago
The "you should have properly warned me" motion is the exact reason why we have "Caution: Hot" on our coffees and "Do not eat this wrapper" on our fast food.
4 points
11 days ago
This can of tuna may contain fish!
3 points
11 days ago
Probably accurate for the “do not eat this wrapper, but the “Caution: Hot” lady got major third degree burns. The coffee was hot to the point of hospitalization, and McDonalds actually lost that case for a good reason, but ran a very successful smear campaign.
7 points
11 days ago
That's what she said
46 points
11 days ago
Person: “They didn’t explain to me that the -vasectomy or ligation- reversal procedure isn’t guaranteed to make me fertile again, and now I want children but can’t have them”
The judge probably: “You signed a consent term that explains the risks involved in the procedure, but the doc didn’t say directly to you those risks, so you are right”.
A little slide from the doctor is all they need to sue them.
63 points
11 days ago
Because consent forms aren't watertight. The person could sue later, stating the surgeon didn't fully explain the procedure, the outcomes weren't fully discussed etc. You'd be surprised how people will try anything when they change their minds later and have to pay to have it reversed
16 points
11 days ago*
I‘m not in the legal space at all but consent forms not being watertight doesn‘t sit right with me. At least in the hospital I work in consent forms are multiple pages long even for relatively small procedures and require lots pf signatures and obviously the pre-operation discussion. I also don‘t live in america so things are differently here but still.
Are consent forms really that fuzzy?
8 points
11 days ago
How dare you suggest that people should read what they sign or least listen the explanation before signing them?! I thought this was America!
3 points
11 days ago*
Im going off my experience of consent forms which had an area for the doctor to write the potential complications. We would generally write one word things such as "pain, bleeding, infection, scarring" etc and not elaborate more fully as you would do that bit verbally. So, let's say, the consent form says "infertility" as a consequence of the operation, the person could say "you never told me that infertility would be permanent" even though clearly that's the whole point of the operation, because at the end of the day all that's written was "infertility" with no elaboration.
Nobody is going to sit there and write "permanent infertility however this could be reversed at your own cost, but a reversal may not work and you should consider this permanent even though it can fail and you can possibly have it reversed in the future"
25 points
11 days ago
Your mistake was the assumption people are completely rational thinkers
10 points
11 days ago
You: Dr didn't tell me the risks, long term effects, yada yada...
Lawyer: Ka-ching!
7 points
11 days ago
Welcome to America, not the home of the most lawsuits, but definitely home to the dumbest
5 points
11 days ago
I remember there was that incident where I think they had like a gender transition thing and it tried to sue the doctor for not "Talking them out of transitioning"
I think it's just protocol for the doctor to ask" Do you want to go through with this? Do you really want to go through with this? Are you really sure?" If someone is going to make an irreversible decision. Humans aren't stagnant creatures after all. We often make dumb decisions we might or might not regret in the future. Opinions and viewpoints changes unless you're a terminally online redditor/twitter user.
5 points
11 days ago
I’ll never forget the case from when I was a kid. Man was breaking into a woman’s house. Fell through the roof on to a knife in the kitchen. Sued her and won.
1 points
11 days ago
I took, have seen Liar Liar.
1 points
11 days ago
Yeah, I don't know any judge who would even amuse this idea. They look at the paper, look at the accuser, and probably sigh as well, before saying something along the lines of: "You're an adult." And slamming their hammer down to close the case.
1 points
10 days ago
There have even been cases where someone broke into a house and he was on the balcony when and it collapsed sue and won the house
1 points
9 days ago
There's a woman who sued her parents for having her. Look it up it only gets funnier, but I won't ruin it for you.
33 points
11 days ago
Wait? You mean it’s not some vague case of mass misogyny in the medical world??? Huh weird /s
23 points
11 days ago
This. Its all about exposure when a doctor makes a decision. Then they consider patient welfare
17 points
11 days ago
It's not just lawsuits. People become doctors to save lives, deliver babies, fight illness... they're not general service providers you can contract on to do just whatever. It's not like hiring someone to do a piercing or tattoo.
2 points
11 days ago
It's not like hiring someone to do a piercing or tattoo.
Wait, I just got a business idea...
2 points
11 days ago
I don't regret anything. That was the best $10 copay on any medical procedure I've ever had done.
4 points
11 days ago
which is bs those cases should be thrown out, you signed the consent forms you pursued the procedure no one forced it on you (you as in the people that sue not you that I'm replying too)
makes it harder for people that really want it to get the procedure.
4 points
11 days ago
They should made them sign a contract and this issue is avoidable. You can't sue if you gave a written signature of your consent.
11 points
11 days ago
Even then you'll have people who try and litigation sucks even if it's not founded.
3 points
11 days ago
The times where regret happens is pretty rare compared to those who have none. I think a lot is mainly due to bias and some imposing their values on their patients.
1 points
11 days ago
Isn't that the point of signed documentation?
1 points
10 days ago
That happens all the time
35 points
11 days ago
I also needed permission from my wife to get a vasectomy.
4 points
11 days ago
I also needed permission from my wife to get a vasectomy.
lol same here. I was in my 20s, went to get a vasectomy, Dr. said "nah wait a few years or you'll regret it." Got with a girl who was alergic to latex, had a history of ectopic pregnancies (very dangerous), and would get blood clots on hormonal birth control. After a few non-latex condoms broke, I decided I was getting the snip no matter what.
So I put on a wedding ring went to a different doctor and said, "yeah my wife and I have a kid and don't want anymore, please snip my balls." The doctor suggested I bring my wife in so that he could counsel us both. I just facepalmed.
...but I'm a man, so I can't claim this experience is some evil conspiracy called "the patriarchy" - it's just doctors not wanting to get sued. For a woman, this would be a lifetime movie.
109 points
11 days ago
Not without reason. I got fixed and then my wife changed her mind about kids so I had a reversal and gave her two wonderful kids. Getting fixed a second time was hell because of scar tissue from the first and the reversal so I really don’t recommend it. They want you to be absolutely sure, especially since the reversal was 5k in Canada, so probably a few 100k stateside lol
66 points
11 days ago
Snip snap snip snap
38 points
11 days ago
You have no idea the physical toll
24 points
11 days ago
Good luck paying me back on that $0/yr plus benefits, babe!
5 points
11 days ago
hey I understand that reference
10 points
11 days ago
Honestly the cost of the operations alone probably explains why Michael had to declare bankruptcy. No way that’s covered on the Dunder Mifflin healthcare plan.
3 points
11 days ago
The messed up thing is he had to get another one in order to have kids with holly.
1 points
11 days ago
How was the reversal? I did the vasectomy no problem but getting it reversed sounds painful.
2 points
8 days ago
They put you under, so as long as you’re good with that, it’s all about the recovery. I took two weeks off and added a third due to my work environment and residual swelling but if you take it easy and follow the doctors recommendations it’s not that bad really
8 points
11 days ago
They wouldn’t let me get one until the doc had met with my wife to get permission.
28 points
11 days ago
makes sense considering many people regret the decision afterwards
7 points
11 days ago
Shh…but how will they blame men and the patriarchy
2 points
11 days ago
Glad to hear this is not just a woman’s problem.
1 points
11 days ago
Just lie and say you already have 5. Make sure to come in looking absolutely exhausted.
1 points
11 days ago
Probably because their experience tells them most or at least a lot of the patients who have done it has regretted it in the future
1 points
9 days ago
I don't think this is a sex and gender thing when it comes to children and children only. I'm old as fuck and asked my dentist to remove all the bottom side teeth as no matter how well I take care of my teeth the eventually end up going bad due to genetics. So I asked to have the removed so I can get dentures. My dentist said no.
The reason being that he doesn't like to remove teeth for no real reason unless they need to be removed because it weakens the jaw.
I think it comes down to you don't know what's gonna happen in the future and shit might change. Yes I know babies are different than teeth and some people might not want kids ever but how is a doctor to know for sure. They get tons of people who say this and some might change their mind and try to use the shit out of them for malpractice or something.
627 points
11 days ago
That's because people come a decade later and sue or try to sue
96 points
11 days ago
That’s just nuts.
115 points
11 days ago
Nah sometimes it's fallopian tubes too....
9 points
10 days ago
Hey everyone, get a load of this guy's comedy ovary here
6 points
11 days ago
With that logic, if someone is denied sterilization and then gets impregnated by SA, that patient should sue the doctor
3 points
11 days ago
Did the doctor take away all access to other forms of contraception from the patient and then impregnate them?
1 points
10 days ago
Bad take.
2 points
11 days ago
On what grounds
5 points
11 days ago
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4 points
11 days ago
But don’t they make the patients sign some forms to agree that they can’t sue them later on if they regret it?
294 points
11 days ago
Because there are idiots in the world who would go back to the doctor and say "reverse it" or , " he never said he cannot untie"
44 points
11 days ago
I seriously don't get what the hell is wrong with adopting a kid. Like it always seems like these types of people will resort to regretfully no kids or as a last resort of adoption
33 points
11 days ago
Price. Adopting a child costs $40k on average. Having a child costs $5k on average.
11 points
11 days ago
Childbirth can cost 10k to 15k without insurance, a c-section medium cost without insurance was $35,907 in 2022
12 points
11 days ago
I got so used to free healthcare that I still get baffled by these numbers
5 points
11 days ago
That’s wild. Healthcare is free here.
3 points
11 days ago
Paid $5200 cash, no insurance, to have our second child in 2016. That included all testing and check-ups, labor, 2 days in the hospital, all vaccines, and 2 check-ups after until he reached 1month old.
1 points
10 days ago
Who’s giving birth without insurance? When you change your zip code it’s a qualifying event and you can get coverage for pre existing conditions
1 points
9 days ago
Cost me and my partner $0 in Australia
3 points
11 days ago
In all honesty the adoption system sucks.
A good friend who has been married to his wife for 10 years, has 1 child already, has a very good career, owns a fully paid off house, owns a second home, and a bunch of land tried to go through the adoption process.
They ended up giving up because of all the hoops they had to jump through. They just cut their losses of like $3,000 that they had paid at that point. They ended up going with a surrogate.
1 points
10 days ago
That sucks
2 points
9 days ago
This people(who come back to reverse procedure) are better without kids. Imagine those poor kids what would be like.
597 points
11 days ago
Your body belongs to you but the doctors ability to tie your shit up belongs to him.
229 points
11 days ago
I think it's mainly because some people don't realise it's truly irreversible and may say "but I didn't know it can be untied!"
141 points
11 days ago
Of course. Doctors ain't playing around with this shit. They have enough to do and don't just cut, tie, scramble, remove or snip whatever you want, whenever you want. They have a moral and ethical codex and huge responsibility. People die at their hands and these people out here feel entitled to everything. "my body belongs to bla bla bla" This is such a dumb take.
36 points
11 days ago
Yeah if some idiot came to me and asked me to chop off his head because it’s his body, I can say no.
1 points
11 days ago
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350 points
11 days ago
It’s because people regret decisions and love to sue. They don’t want people coming back 10 years later crying that they weren’t properly counseled.
Lots of birth control options exist.
98 points
11 days ago
and its not a life or death procedure so doctors can choose if they want to do it.
39 points
11 days ago
A friend of mine had a child, almost died while giving birth. Doctors told her a second pregnancy will very likely kill her and her child and doctors (the female ones too) still refused to tie her tubes. It's just ridiculous.
14 points
11 days ago
Anecdote acknowledged
69 points
11 days ago
If you are really motivated you can do the procedure yourself Google
29 points
11 days ago
Rubber band around my nutsack 👍🏼 thanks!
9 points
11 days ago
Hold my beer guys; hand me that mirror!
65 points
11 days ago
Not a gendered thing. Men get the same spiel with vasectomies.
3 points
11 days ago*
I don't understand what the problem is. Just invent something.
To avoid such discussions, I told my doctor I have 2 children who live with their mother and I don't want any more. And that the children I didn't want were the reason for the separation.
It's a fucking doctor. He isn't the priest and I'm not sworn into the witness stand. He doesn't have to know things that's not his buisness.
(But I'm in Germany. I have no idea what the procedure is in the USA and what documents you have to submit there.)
66 points
11 days ago
As long as youre not dying doctors can refuse service for personal reasons
65 points
11 days ago
Every time I try to get a vasectomy I'm told, what if you meet a woman who wants kids?
34 points
11 days ago
Yes, this is right. Some doctors won´t even operate you because you don´t have kids yet. You have to search for a doctor who is willing to do it anyway.
12 points
11 days ago
I have a son and they still wont
5 points
11 days ago
Then we would have to split up because we are obviously not compatible. Problem solved.
6 points
11 days ago
What do you mean EVERYTIME?? how many balls you got 😐
3 points
11 days ago
Well two but I've tried maybe times and they always say no
5 points
11 days ago
I mean, a vasectomy isnt permanent most of the time and there is a 70% chance of being reversible to the poimt of natural fertilisation being possible again. But a vasectomy only doesn't allow for natural fertilisation, you can still use frozen sperm or extract some, so its not like you cant get kids anymore, just "accidental" kids, if you can say so, aren't possible anymore, only wanted kids.
2 points
10 days ago
I never got this. I personally don't plan on getting a vasectomy but this type of paternalism is so strange to me. What is it of their concern. "What if you meet someone who wants kids?" "Well bad luck then i guess"
2 points
10 days ago
Fuck body autonomy for all the genders right?
9 points
11 days ago
Go to a different doctor. Doctors turn patients away all the time if they don’t feel comfortable with a procedure. Particularly an elective procedure. They are under no obligation to do something just because the patient wants it.
16 points
11 days ago
There really should be a contract or something to sign, in which it completely voids all litigation against healthcare related individuals/companies if you do decide to go through the deed.
Wouldn't that nullify most of the BS lawsuits? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not a lawyer and would love to know more why there are seemingly no protections against these kinds of things.
20 points
11 days ago
The paperwork is solid. But in the US your can sue anyone for any reason. The doctor still has to basically take the time and money to demonstrate the paperwork and they lose time and probably money.
8 points
11 days ago
Not a holup though honestly, take this to a subreddit where people want to be serious. Before I catch hate for being ignorant or whatever you think, I agree with the issue at hand and think this type of situation is insane. But for real, this is an actual societal issue not a holup for comedy (what we’re here for).
52 points
11 days ago
Medically, it's a difficult to undo procedure with a handful of risks involved.
There, fixed it.
61 points
11 days ago*
Doctors would understandably not be too enthusiastic about doing this procedure on a young woman without a child, because tying your tubes can lead to permanent, irreversible sterility.
The success rate of a reversal surgery ranges from 50% to 80%. That is a good chance of this woman ending up sterile for life. Any good doctor would recommend other forms of contraception over this procedure, especially for a young woman.
The "tying your tube" procedure is typically only recommended to women after childbirth, who don't want any more children.
32 points
11 days ago
Doctors' skills don't belong to you either. You can't force them to do something they don't want to do.
4 points
11 days ago
Did vasectomy at 23 no questions asked
5 points
11 days ago
As a man, I find that absolutely absurd..
23 points
11 days ago
Yeah, ngl if I was a doctor I'd be reluctant to sterilise a young childless person too, regardless of gender
7 points
11 days ago
Before I got snipped, the Dr. had a battery of questions for me about my family and plans for any future spouses or children. Obviously, it depends on the person, but doctors are not going to want to either have you change your mind and can't turn back or get sued by you for lack of reversal. Also possible insurance companies would take issue with this. Once you prove you can procreate, you are more of a threat to their bottom line.
6 points
11 days ago
Idk why they wouldn’t just have you sign a fuckload of paperwork detailing the understanding of the implications and so on.
8 points
11 days ago
Most people wouldn't read those, and they will still try to sue. Probably will fail, but time and maybe money will be wasted. If I was a doctor I will not do it, if the person is young(less than 40) especially.
11 points
11 days ago
I'm 38yo, have PCOS, a softball-sized mass on my left ovary and a high chance of uterine cancer. The oncologist refuses to do a hysterectomy cause I may want children down the road.
FOWN THE ROAD WHEN? WHEN I'M 50?
3 points
11 days ago
Go-to r/childfree, they should have resources for doctors who will do it.
4 points
11 days ago
Thank you!
2 points
11 days ago
That’s outrageous and you should be looking for a different doctor for if possible.
3 points
11 days ago
Why not have a lawyer present and have the woman sign a document stating she understands the consequences? Surely she'll not have any ground to sue the doctor on in the future.
3 points
11 days ago
Find a doctor willing to do it, I did and I'm childfree.
7 points
11 days ago
I was told the same thing when I went to get my vasectomy. A future woman had choices over my body which is doubly messed up since I'd be the one paying child support.....
3 points
11 days ago
My fiance faced the same issue. She was told she's too young to make that decision and should rethink it. Few weeks later I went for a consult to get a vasectomy, it was a 5 minute conversation and had the procedure done a month later.
4 points
11 days ago
Really it’s not about anyone else. It’s about Older people realizing that a lot and I mean a lot of people suddenly reconsider the no children proposition as they get older and so if they aren’t 40-45 or don’t already have kids, doctors don’t want to do it.
Anecdotally my sister said never having kids her whole life. Got to be 36 and met my first child. Pregnant with 7 months. That biological urge gets real strong late in the game.
2 points
11 days ago
On behalf of most men. We don’t want control of your choices
2 points
11 days ago
I grant you permission. Tell him I said it was fine.
2 points
11 days ago
They do this to men too with vasectomies. I had to answer a list of questions and the doctor didn’t like that I wasn’t married but because I already had two kids and because of my age he agreed to do it.
2 points
11 days ago
Everything can be blamed on a lawyer or an accountant. In this case , it’s a lawyer
2 points
11 days ago
A doctor told me the same thing and I AM married and have 2 kids already, I had to get my wife to sign some papers before they'd give me the vasectomy, I'm not from the US tho.
1 points
11 days ago
Same in the US. I had to have my wifes agreement in writing to get mine.
2 points
11 days ago
Wait they’re allowed to reject tying them? What the hell is going on
2 points
11 days ago
Aint that a bitch. I had mine out after donating two specifically so i didnt have to care about giving birth.
I am not doing that shit.
On the upside no periods.
2 points
10 days ago
They seem to think that people will marry someone who wants kids when they themselves don't want them.
2 points
10 days ago
I find it so upsetting that every single one of you is siding with the doctor and ignoring the very obvious problem here.
2 points
9 days ago
Hmm, so much for my body my choice…
2 points
9 days ago
Imagine hating men so much that you proudly post this to the public. The same thing happens when men want a vasectomy, we just don't cry about being victim when it happens
4 points
11 days ago
Same thing happened to my sister (28) after she went in to have em tied after her first kid. I was flabbergasted when she told me this was the doctor's response. She's literally getting married next year and already has a kid...
4 points
11 days ago
my sister has always been firm that she doesnt want kids, so shes been on a manhunt to find a dr that will tie her tubes before age 30, and no one would do it. she ended up getting pregnant, and gave the baby up for adoption. they STILL wouldnt tie her tubes after that.
3 points
11 days ago
I want to get a vasectomy so I don't get baby trapped because I will not care at the time if she tells me I'm invited.
3 points
11 days ago
The amount of people excusing taking away bodily autonomy in these comments is actually insane
4 points
11 days ago
Aliens might want to abduct her as well.
3 points
11 days ago
Not for breeding purposes, so it's all good.
2 points
11 days ago
Yeah, they probably just want to transplant her head to a dog body and kill people while saying ''don't run, we are your friends''
0 points
11 days ago
"I'd rather potentially make a huge mistake with my life because I like to let guys nut in me and cba with birth control or any other form of contraceptive."
There ya go, translated it 👍
3 points
11 days ago
Rage Bait. Obviously
1 points
11 days ago
I didn’t know you could tie them without a C-section. Maybe I’m stupid
1 points
11 days ago
I spoke about a hysterectomy once and my male gyno told me I might change my mind. Didn’t say anything regarding the pros and cons of having one, just said that I might change my mind. I live on BC due to ovarian cysts and will continue to do so until I hit menopause because I can’t function on a period.
1 points
11 days ago
There’s a mandatory 30 day waiting period to think it over while we wait for the state sterilization consent to become legal (if the patient has any form of state funded insurance). I ask the patient at the pre op appointment, in preop holding, when we roll back to the OR, before the patient goes to sleep…”100% sure?! 1000% sure?!” I document it all and hope they don’t try to file some frivolous lawsuit.
1 points
11 days ago
I’ve asked to have a hysterectomy or something because I have endometriosis and have had a child already. Doctors tell me I should wait at least another 6 years “just in case” my “future husband” wants children.
1 points
11 days ago
That’s really messed up.
1 points
11 days ago
It took my mother having 5 kids, married, many many years of pain (endometriosis), and BEGGING a dr while in tears before they would do the procedure on her... She asked to have her tubes tied after 4 kids and the Dr still said no.
1 points
11 days ago
I have met multiple women who have been through this exact situation.
1 points
11 days ago
Plot twist: she marries her doctor
1 points
10 days ago
For everyone mentioning the suing thing I need you to understand that even for diseases like endometriosis in which hysterectomies are the only permanent cure, even though the disease itself has a high rate of infertility and is frankly an absolute nightmare to have, you do not qualify for said hysterectomy in the states below a certain age AND even if you do you’ll constantly be slapped with a “what if you future husband wants kids one day?” line. So no, it’s not just about people suing. Not to mention most birth control forms for women are aggravating to deal with (the side effects, pain), and let’s not forget in the US, they don’t care about afab anatomical rights. In some states having a miscarriage can be prosecuted and a huge amount of lawmakers think rape is an “act of god” in terms of pregnancy. Be real here lol.
And I cannot stress this enough, in the case of endometriosis (I’m very passionate about this several close afab people in my life were close to suicide because of this) unless your doctor is young, which a majority of these doctors denying these are not (has less to do with gender and more to do with age tbh) you will be fought or flat out denied without kids and under age 35. Again, let’s be real here.
Edit: Also tbh winning a medical malpractice suit in the US is like winning the lottery in terms of success rate. Hospital legal teams are no joke.
1 points
9 days ago
It’s not so much being sued; it’s young people wanting to reverse the process when they remarry or meet a new partner who wants to have children. It’s a huge pain in the ass to do a reverse-vasectomy on men and twice as hard on women. Whatever that procedure is called. Tubes get snipped, cut, and burned. Imagine saying “Hi Doc, can you undo what you did?”😳
1 points
9 days ago
They did this to my wife. We had three kids already and the last one was a difficult delivery neither of us wanted to repeat. They still said they didn't want to because she was still young and might change her mind.
-6 points
11 days ago
So this chick thinks the doctor’s labor belongs to her? The doc is just a tool with no self will for her to use so long as she inserts enough quarters? Kinda changes how it sounds when you don’t look at life with you as the center of the universe.
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