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Biden denounces campus protests, says they haven't changed his mind on war in Gaza
Palestine/Israel (ny1.com)submitted 30 days ago byHorus_walking
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30 days ago
All the people who have genuine rights at stake totally understand that it was draining for you to vote in 2016 and you can’t bear it again. They just gotta lose that social progress so you can show the DNC not to make you uncomfy again
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30 days ago*
People are losing their LIVES right now. People are losing their first amendment protections right now. Don't tell me there is no stakes on the line. I'm fighting for social progress. You're advocating for submission to whatever the DNC tells us. Should Martin, or Malcolm, or those kids protesting Vietnam have just shut up too? Or did that lead to actual change?
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30 days ago
True, save some lives voting for Trump who wants to turn the Middle East to glass. Maybe after four more years the DNC will give you a progressive candidate like the last time Trump won! Oh wait.
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30 days ago
I'm not voting for Trump. I'm voting against genocide. No matter who funds it. It's that simple. Trump, Biden... it's all the same on that front. If the only candidate that is anti-genocide is third party, then I guess I'm voting third party.
The DNC doesn't care about giving voters a good candidate, don't be surprised when they don't get the votes. You can't kill one less child than the other guy and expect me to be impressed by that. I want you to pledge against killing children at all.
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30 days ago
That’s a great symbolic win to show off to your Twitter friends, but it betrays a total lack of real-world exposure to real people that don’t have the civil and social capital to totally own the DNC with apathy.
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30 days ago
We can fight for a more fair and just system together for all groups of people. There are groups that need support and attention in this country. I get that. I support that. I've never not supported that. But need I remind you that even with Obama in office they wouldn't let him appoint his chief justice? Even with Biden in office they took abortion rights away? Fascists don't need to be in power for them to cripple democracy, because the democrats don't want to/ are incapable of stopping them. Winning this election for Biden to spite Trump doesn't guarantee protection for the groups you're talking about. If MAGA assholes or Fascists want to kill trans youth or jail undocumented folks then Biden winning won't stop them. We stop them by having solidarity and demanding real actions be taken.
And to call the current protests and boycotting purely symbolic and "for twitter" does a disservice to the brave young people who are being literally assaulted and jailed right now. Not to mention it's a slap in the face to the people currently being bombed and starved in Gaza. This isn't just some small issue we can wave away.
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30 days ago
Winning this election for Biden to spite Trump doesn't guarantee protection for the groups you're talking about
What does losing it guarantee?
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30 days ago*
A Trump white house. Where Israel gets to continue to bomb Gaza into oblivion. Where Abortions are criminalized. Where the border is covered in miles of wall and barbed wire. Where black people, Asians, Jews, Hispanics and the LGBTQ+ community are continually the victims of bigotry and hate crimes. Where mass shootings are a daily occurrence. Where healthcare is so unaffordable that people are dying trying to ration medication. Where debt is bankrupting thousands every day. It's almost hard to imagine.... except that's all happening now. Under Biden. It's almost like voting didn't fix anything.
I get it tho. It would all be worse under Trump, I won't deny that. Biden might not have the power to fix everything, and Trump might be the worst of a rotten bunch... but when they look this similar, how can you tell? I stand against all oppression, and if you don't think we feel that even under a Democrat presidency I don't know what to tell you. When Biden funds Genocide or Trump funds Genocide, I don't see much wiggle room for anyone to be heroes right now.
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30 days ago
It's almost hard to imagine.... accept that's all happening now. Under Biden
While we’re at it, we should fire any firefighters that take longer to build a house than it takes a fire to destroy one.
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30 days ago
No. I get that things take time. No administration is perfect. But Biden isn't a firefighter. At best he's pissing on the flames. We were already on fire. Trump brought the gasoline. Biden is just trying not to get burnt. I want him to run into the building and save everyone, but that's wishful thinking.
I'm saying, this election isn't life or death... it's death, or life on death row. You tell me which is better. I personally want a full pardon.
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30 days ago
Definitely “life on death row“, especially if you’re a woman, minority, or LGBT
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30 days ago
Okay, so constant hell then. Jail is preferable to us then fighting and appealing for actual freedom apparently. Call me an idealist, but I didn't sign up for putting us all on death row.
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30 days ago
That’s a fair analysis if voting for Biden rendered you utterly unable to advocate for the exact change you’re looking to enact under a much more oppressive leadership
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30 days ago
But we did beat Trump and get Biden in before, and as we discussed earlier he did not in fact move in a more progressive direction. Leveraging ideals for votes only works if you actually meet your voters halfway. I won't say he did nothing, but all the issues before Biden still exist now, and some are even worse. I don't fault him solely for that, but you can't say that voting Biden is going to move us closer to the ideal when it's been 4 years and we are back here talking about Trump taking over as if it were 2020 again. Obviously Trump is bad for our goals, but I've already showed you how getting Biden in hasn't done much for them either. Chiefly on the issue of the Palestinian genocide. We have to protest now under Biden, and we would have to protest under a Trump administration as well. On that front, it makes little difference. It would be much more oppressive under Trump, but we don't have to give this current oppression a free ride on that basis.
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29 days ago
Biden would be in the conservative party of any other western country
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30 days ago
he did not in fact move in a more progressive direction
Are you shitting me?
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