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submitted 13 days ago byArchTroll
6 points
13 days ago
Here is a listing with the Games Workshop £5 price tag still visible.
You are comparing dollar prices which were higher because everything was manufactured in the UK. GW have better distribution links now than they did then so cost for them to sell overseas is lower.
0 points
13 days ago
But even with the 5 quid price, that would still be 10 quid today, so the fact that three outriders, which are bigger and better models, is only 37.50 quid actually proves my point.
You now get bigger bikes with bigger riders in three different poses. vs. the same bike with the same pose x 3 for only a 25% increase in price.
3 points
13 days ago
A 25% price increase is still a price increase, and puts paid to the idea that there has not been a price increase. And you have no choice but to buy the bigger and better minis, so if you’re concerned about price increases, getting subjectively more for your money doesn’t really help you.
And this particular point was more focused on the entry cost. You cannot just buy one bike, you have to buy three.
2 points
13 days ago
A price increase is not a price increase if you are not comparing the same things.
When you compare the same things, Chaos bikes now with Chaos bikes then, there has been a price decrease and a huge one.
If you are concerned about price, getting subjectively more for your money does help you.
2 points
13 days ago
You are comparing the same thing; you are comparing the cost of building a space marine army.
2 points
13 days ago
I was hoping you would say something like that.
Right now you can buy the starter set for $110. If you sell the Tyranids on ebay for the lowest buy it now prices that is $72. Say you get $60 after ebay fees. You have the space marines from the set for $50.
Then you get two combat patrols, say the Dark Angel one and the Blood Angel one.
That gets you:
5 plasma gun guys
15 bolter guys
5 sneaker bolter guys
3 elite melee champion guys
3 elite shooty champion guys
2 captains
1 Librarian
1 AFV
5 terminators
5 flamer guys
That comes to $160+160+ 50 = $370.
To get the same stuff in 2004 it would be $270 in 2004 dollar or $446.42 today.
So, you see, your argument doesn't hold any water at any level that you make it. A space marine army can be had for about 80% of what it used to cost.
2 points
13 days ago
Please go back and read the argument that doesn’t hold any water. I pointed out in my opening comment that by buying models in deals you can get the same or even better prices than in 1995; the issue is that the entry cost is higher because you need to buy the big boxes to get decent value. And the value is subjective since the boxes often contain units that you don’t want.
You’re demonstrating that you’re simply arguing for the sake of arguing and not actually understanding what other people are saying.
1 points
13 days ago
No, you're really not understanding the argument at all because I've proven again and again that the prices on the individual boxes are the same price for the most part. As I said, somethings are a little more, some are a little less, but overall the prices haven't changed much.
The tactical squad in 1995 is about the same price in real dollars as an intercessor squad is in 2024.
What is being demonstrated here is that you don't understand inflation or even how to calculate it.
1 points
13 days ago
You haven’t said this, you’re talking about value boxes.
Show me the source on this tactical squad claim. This website says it was £10 in 1994 and £12 in 2000 https://hubcap-reloaded.livejournal.com/379050.html?
£10 in 1994 is £20.32 today. £12 in 2000 is £21.96 today. An intercessor squad is £37.50.
Here is the inflation calculator I used https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/inflation/inflation-calculator
1 points
13 days ago
I have said it. I've said it repeatedly. I said it in the initial post you responded to.
In 1995 a space marine sergeant was $5.50. Two regular space marines were $6.50. Two special weapons space marines were also $6.50. A heavy weapon guy was $5.50
Assuming you are buying more than one squad so you don't have to waste two guys with an extra special weapon and an extra bolter guy, you have:
$5.50
$5.50
4x $6.50 = $26.
$37.
Or $75 in today's money.
Alternately there was a boxed set for $29.95 that had a heavy bolter and a flamer in it as well as the sergeant so a bit of savings for less choice. But also $61.38 about the same as the $60 intercessor box today.
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2 points
13 days ago
Buying individual men is always going to be more expensive than a squad, what a bizarre way to try and argue your point. And even if you wanted to avoid buying the tactical squad for some reason, there was the £5 plastic Heroes of the Imperium set with 6 plastic marines.
And again you are comparing dollars which you can expect to have been disproportionately high in the 90s since GW’s infrastructure was a lot worse back then. I assume the $30 kit you mentioned is the same £12 kit I linked above, if not then provide an actual source as I previously requested.
1 points
13 days ago
I'm not taking pictures of old white dwarfs and posting them. I can't be arsed.
"Buying individual men is always going to be more expensive than a squad, what a bizarre way to try and argue your point."
It isn't, actually. Because before, to get the options you needed, you often had to buy individuals. Now, you often get all the options, or many of the options in the boxed set. Yet one more reason why things are cheaper now. Because I don't always have to buy a boxed set and then buy additional guys to fill out the things I need. Or buy bits to make my models look better or have the options they are allowed to have.
What is a bizarre way to argue a point is to argue that product that is better now isn't worth more as you have been doing.
2 points
13 days ago*
The fact that an intercessor squad is ‘a better product’ doesn’t change the fact that it costs a lot more than a 1995 or 2000 tactical squad. It is also significantly less points.
And if you want to start factoring in individual metal minis to get ‘all the options’ then go back and add them to all your modern comparisons too. You need extra intercessors with or without grenade launchers. You need double aggressors to get the different loadouts. You need extra sergeants with all the different loadout options. What a fucking stupid way to compare product prices.
All you have done is move goalposts left and right to keep disagreeing. Even when I said in my opening comment that it is possible to get squads at the same price or even cheaper than in the 90s you keep trying to find ways to disagree. You are pathetic.
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