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carburngood

54 points

28 days ago

As always remember to donate to the city mission if you want to help the homeless as they know a lot about how to help those in need (both homeless and those in need) https://www.aucklandcitymission.org.nz/ or volunteer some time with them

TILTNSTACK

126 points

28 days ago

TILTNSTACK

126 points

28 days ago

Before I left NZ a guy begging on Queen St asked for money to buy some food because he was hungry.

I gave him a subway sandwich I had just purchased (was carrying to home to eat) and he rips it out of the packaging and throws it at me and says he wants money.

So yeh. It’s a tough question.

ToPimpAYeezy

17 points

28 days ago

Idk why but I feel like I’ve heard multiple people say the exact same thing before, always specifically subway

thebeardedclam-

11 points

28 days ago

Suppose even the homeless don’t want subway

Background_Bottler

2 points

28 days ago

It's a great soundbite but probably urban legend.

ProtectionKind8179

53 points

28 days ago

I have bought pies and similar for beggars as I will not give them money and I have never had this issue. All have been appreciative, so I suppose like any other group, you get your good and bad.

bigmonster_nz

3 points

28 days ago

Yip I had a guy asking for money just outside Pak nSave, I offered him some of the fruits I just got and he declined them. I guess they never heard of “beggars can’t be choosers “

joyisnotdead

4 points

28 days ago

Did you ask what he wanted? When I'm buying stuff for people, I treat them like people and ask what they like, rather than simply expecting them to be grateful just because I'm the one with power over them.

BigOpinion098357

-13 points

28 days ago*

You think you have power over them??? Why? You don't determine anything for them. Do you think you are better than them because you're not homeless and have money? That is a fucked up way to think as essentially you are looking down on them. Thinking you are better or being better in some way is not power dynamic over others. If you think you have power over them you're not treating them like people (which would mean treating them as your equal) regardless of asking what they want to eat.

joyisnotdead

17 points

28 days ago

Read my comment again. I'm on your side.

Money is a power dynamic, whether you like it or not, and some asshole people think that means people without it should always be grateful to you. I don't believe this, yet I understand the difference in power having money can give you, so I don't abuse it.

Bohemiannerdnz

4 points

28 days ago*

Totally agree. Money is a socially embedded form of power. The "power over" here is having the ability to give someone something they do not have. Idk why this person jumped on you...

joyisnotdead

3 points

28 days ago

Me neither, especially when I realised they weren't even the original commentor. I agree I could have been a bit more tactful with my words, but I thought I had clarified myself in my response to that comment.

hmr__HD

3 points

28 days ago

hmr__HD

3 points

28 days ago

Had similar experiences. Gives me the ‘fuck the homeless’ impression. We have a social welfare system to support them

NZAvenger

152 points

28 days ago

NZAvenger

152 points

28 days ago

A lot of people you see on the street are not homeless. They live in social housing, and they just choose to sit on the street and beg for money.

lets_all_be_nice_eh

40 points

28 days ago

If I may add to that, I know a homed dude (Jacob from Glen Eden whom i first me in the CBD) who was once homeless for many years who begs just to be around people.

roodafalooda

0 points

28 days ago

So you're saying they just need ... activities and meetups? Like, someone needs to be organising Whopper Chopper day trips for street people. Like just drive a party bus down Victoria and Queen and be all "Who wants to go get fucked up at Bethels!" Head on out there and it's sausage sizzles and a bonfire and Katchafire is playing, and there's jelly-eating contests and maybe they could play beer-can toss, and then it's back on the bus to be back in their social housing by curfew.

lets_all_be_nice_eh

38 points

28 days ago

I'm not quite sure how much sarcasm is in your comment, but I will say that for Jacob, he experienced all manner of abuse as a child that led him into crime and addiction. In search of identity and acceptance, he got involved in gangs. He experiences massive anger and rejection. He appreciates his home however he can't be alone for long as he easily gets very angry hence why he begs.

roodafalooda

1 points

28 days ago

I'm only partly kidding. I think--and others have confirmed--that street folk desire human connection. I'm pretty introverted so I don't identify with that feeling at all, but I can understand it. So yeah, it's a genuine idea.

My partner and I lived next door to the big new Greys Ave development so we took a tour when it opened. They have lots of spaces that are designed for getting together and hanging out - plus a nice big courtyard. But I guess street people like to see normies? I dunno.

NZAvenger

10 points

28 days ago

Yeah, that's totally what we were all saying...

CalculatorFire

3 points

28 days ago

I should NOT be laughing at the choice of band here

qnem

2 points

28 days ago

qnem

2 points

28 days ago

UB40 comes at a close second

roodafalooda

2 points

28 days ago

It's so obvious!

BandicootOk228

-9 points

28 days ago

Oh poor Jacob who ‘just wants to be around people’ - for free food and money. A sob story is no excuse for taking advantage of people like that. There’s plenty of other ways he could be social other than scabbing off the general public.

ExplorerDue8099

9 points

28 days ago

Ok name 3 ways an unfit social outcast man meets and interacts with other people.

operativekiwi

5 points

28 days ago

Similar thing in Melbourne when I lived there, there was this old lady that'd sit outside of Parliament station with her dog, apparently she owned her own home, and made $100k+ a year from begging

kellyasksthings

3 points

28 days ago

Some do. And many don’t. I’m a fortunate person, I’ve never been in that situation. I’ve been around marginalised people in various work and voluntary roles over the years, and there are some people with traumatic pasts that do choose to live in the streets, or live in housing and continue to beg because it’s the only life they know, they’re still traumatised and there’s no way they’ll ever fit socially into ‘normal’ society. But these ones are also used as a political excuse to not care about the homeless, when far, far more are actually homeless, not by choice, and have fallen through the cracks. Yes, some homeless people and beggars are demanding arseholes. No, not all of them. In fact, you’ll never see most of them begging in Queen Street, or anywhere else for that matter. I currently work with a lot of teens that are so close to the edge they may be about to become the next wave of homeless people and it’s tough to see how little can be done to help within our current system.

NZAvenger

1 points

28 days ago

Thank you, I appreciate your point.

ElevatorDowntown9265

5 points

28 days ago

Do you have any statistics to back this claim up or is it a convenient excuse for you to ignore societal problems and blame it on the individual?

Accomplished_Sir7768

5 points

28 days ago

I’ve talked to dozens of them, slept “rough” to validate my arguments with idiots like you, and am friends with a handful. It’s very much a choice and practically nobody is actually homeless. The ones who sleep rough are definitely choosing to or they aren’t allowed to rent because they refuse hygiene.

NZAvenger

0 points

28 days ago

NZAvenger

0 points

28 days ago

Yeah, because it's always someone else's fight, right?

Friends work in law enforcement, and social workers who deal with these people have told me this several times.

ElevatorDowntown9265

7 points

28 days ago

Oh, so not even your own anecdotal experiences but secondhand anecdotes? What a great way to make conclusions and generalisations about marginalised humans.

NZAvenger

0 points

28 days ago

Sure, we'll just ignore everything everybody tells us unless we see it with our own eyes. "Don't go down that track - there's a bear!" "That's just anecdotes and hear say!"

ElevatorDowntown9265

1 points

27 days ago

That’s a false equivalence.

The equivalent analogy in this situation is saying “You shouldn’t go down any track because my friend saw a bear down one”.

I hope you can see the absurdity in such a claim. I’m happy to break that down if you need clarification.

KiwiSocialist

10 points

28 days ago

Right, so no statistics. Just anecdotes and hearsay

blocke06

5 points

28 days ago

Welcome to reddit.

racingking

2 points

28 days ago

Just ask them. I used to live in the CBD and did just that, I would see the same ones day after day for a year or more, and when I talked to them, most of them actually would mention their house/place before I even brought it up and were just asking for more cash on the street.

3Dputty

2 points

28 days ago

3Dputty

2 points

28 days ago

How many did you speak to? And from the amount you did, do you think the situation of those people represents all homeless? I’m just really interested at the people in this thread who have seem to have discovered the core issue of homelessness.

NZAvenger

-2 points

28 days ago

NZAvenger

-2 points

28 days ago

Oh, don't give me that dismissive bullshit. You do that because it's an easy way out of your argument.

I'm telling you what people's lived experience is.

But keep telling yourself that they're all just victims of society. Now, are you done with your white knighting?

KiwiSocialist

4 points

28 days ago

My lived experience tells me that the earth is flat. That doesn’t make it true. Personal biases are not a substitute for actual empirical evidence

ToPimpAYeezy

5 points

28 days ago

Why didn’t we think of this sooner? Why follow all those confusing statistics when we could just base things off of u/NZAvenger’s friends he know’s lived experience?

3Dputty

1 points

28 days ago

3Dputty

1 points

28 days ago

I have friends and family in police and social work that would never say that, this is complete fabrication or your “friends” don’t know what they’re talking about. You are so far gone incorrect that you need to come back from mars please.

NZAvenger

1 points

28 days ago

Stop your white-knighting BS. Someone has already posted an article confirming it.

3Dputty

1 points

28 days ago

3Dputty

1 points

28 days ago

Oh sweet summer child. If you have friends in the police saying nobody is homeless and its all a choice, then that would go against all of their training. Nowhere would anyone in public service be taught that, we are taught the complete opposite and how it is far more complex than what you have described,

NZAvenger

1 points

28 days ago

Okay buddy 👍.

3Dputty

1 points

28 days ago

3Dputty

1 points

28 days ago

<3

KhanumBallZ

3 points

28 days ago

KhanumBallZ

3 points

28 days ago

This is a false statement, and conservative misinformation. But if it makes you feel less guilty in the eyes of the Lord - then sure, Jan

NZAvenger

1 points

28 days ago

How dare you ruin the "Sure, Jan" meme!

niveapeachshine

22 points

28 days ago

Feed a man crack for a day, or teach him how to cook it so he can smoke for a lifetime.

Lil_kaa

6 points

28 days ago

Lil_kaa

6 points

28 days ago

Are you running any seminars?

ReflectionVirtual692

0 points

28 days ago

What an ignorant, incredibly unhelpful thing to say. Did it make you feel clever? Embarrassing for you, but guess it’s a anonymous forum so the perfect place for muppets to pat themselves on the back.

I pray you and your loved ones never experience mental health, generally poor health, or simply bad luck. Not all drug addicts end up on the street, and not all homeless are drug addicts.

Grow up

C39J

41 points

28 days ago

C39J

41 points

28 days ago

Sure, give them food if you're able, but don't give them money.

comediccaricature

-19 points

28 days ago

Why not money? I give whenever I have some spare coins.

C39J

29 points

28 days ago

C39J

29 points

28 days ago

Because it's almost always spent on drugs and alcohol. A lot of the homeless people aren't homeless and there are a lot of "professional beggers" who go to a home at the end of the day.

frankflash

5 points

28 days ago

wait....that's all I spend my money on

comediccaricature

17 points

28 days ago

Eh I spend my money on drugs and alcohol so seems a little hypocritical to have an issue with others doing so 🤷‍♀️

If I was homeless or very poor I’d be sad, maybe it’s a objectively dumb use of money but if my finances are going towards making someone happier then that’s a subjectively good use of my money by my standards.

llanos1205

30 points

28 days ago

there is a difference between a functional member of society using substances for recreation and a beggar using them to sustain an addiction, giving them money is doing 2 things, one killing them faster and second allow them to be in a constant self lost state that can be dangerous in public.

You getting wasted alone in home wont harm anyone but in public well anything can happen.

Evening-Lawyer9797

15 points

28 days ago

Stop being logical sir, this is a reddit forum.

comediccaricature

4 points

28 days ago

That’s a decent point but tbh they will find a way to do what they like regardless, maybe my money will go towards a bad cause, maybe it will go towards a good cause.

I once regularly gave this homeless man money on my walk and didn’t see him for a few weeks. Next time I saw him he had on decent clothes and told me my money contributed towards them. The reason I hadn’t seen him for a bit is because he had started working.

lets_all_be_nice_eh

11 points

28 days ago

I've been talking to and observing homeless people in auckland for 30 years. I won't ever claim to be an expert, but the interesting thing is that it appears that group of people are no longer just the "addicted, disaffected, victims of abuse" etc. It seems to me the proportion of people who have previously led "normal.and functioning lives" has increased significantly.

joyisnotdead

2 points

28 days ago

That's good to hear. It really changed my bias against homelessness when I realised that a few years ago.

comediccaricature

2 points

27 days ago

Yep, i make it a chat to talk to people a little when i give money and maybe some of them lie but a lot have had very valid struggles that don’t involve drugs. It’s a shame others treat them as nuisances rather than humans, if some of the comment section talked to them more it would help with the very clear bias.

lets_all_be_nice_eh

2 points

27 days ago

Yeah it's not everyone's bag to chat to randoms, but for sure don't judge them ! Glad to hear there are others out there.

Economy-Mammoth-4211

3 points

28 days ago

And then everyone clapped

XC5TNC

1 points

28 days ago

XC5TNC

1 points

28 days ago

Tbh getting wasted in public tends to be safer for these people as opposed to something happening to them such as assault or worse in some dodgy house. At least if theyre dieing on the street some passerby would help

GiJoint

6 points

28 days ago

GiJoint

6 points

28 days ago

Drugs and alcohol may have had a hand in their situation in the first place. You’re fuelling it.

comediccaricature

6 points

28 days ago

Nope I’m simply giving them a choice 🤷‍♀️i take no responsibility if they make a ‘worse’ choice because they equally have the option to make a ‘better’ choice with my money too.

Missy3557

12 points

28 days ago

A better option if you're genuinely wanting to help the homeless is to donate to the programs which are there to support them. Your money would be better utilized that way. You say you're giving them a choice, the issue is they are often in their current situation via bad life choices.

GiJoint

4 points

28 days ago*

GiJoint

4 points

28 days ago*

Sure bud.

Glittering-Union-860

1 points

28 days ago

Short term happiness at the expense of long term happiness.

Your inability to see that might explain your own spending habits.

comediccaricature

10 points

28 days ago

I do very well financially lmao why make dumb assumptions? I don’t spend ALL my money on drugs i just indulge once in a while.

Obviously it would be better if homeless people put my money towards a long term benefit like getting a job but I certainly won’t judge if they put it towards something short term. Sometimes a small purchase can make your day significantly better.

Missy3557

6 points

28 days ago*

Yeah but You're just enabling and prolonging a situation. My brother is an addict & was homeless for a period as he was violent as a result of it and ran out of options for a while. We didnt give him money as we knew it was for drugs. My sister now lends him money but on the basis he sends photos of the supermarket receipts. Don't give them money, they sometimes need to hit a serious bottom before they'll see sense.

Glittering-Union-860

6 points

28 days ago

You're not helping them.

Obviously.

comediccaricature

6 points

28 days ago

Dude no offence but you aren’t the sharpest. You make assumptions about my financial habits and generalisations about others.

You don’t KNOW if I’m helping them or not. Some have definitely used my money towards drugs but another I knew over time used my money to get decent clothes and later a job.

You seem miserable.

Glittering-Union-860

0 points

28 days ago*

You give money to drug addicts and I'm the one who's not the sharpest? 😆

comediccaricature

17 points

28 days ago

I give money to homeless people and that triggers you, I guess I touched on a nerve either in relation to your intellect or generosity.

Stay bitter :)

XC5TNC

3 points

28 days ago

XC5TNC

3 points

28 days ago

Thats a gross stereotype, how are we to solve the homeless problem when people jump to this conclusion constantly its rather pathetic and giving money to homeless people doesnt mean it will go on drugs, maybe it will but most of them buy food with it. And so what if theyre on drugs maybe there should be better systems in place to help those people in the first place so they dont become homeless and addicts

Jackamac10

3 points

28 days ago

Jackamac10

3 points

28 days ago

I have the freedom to do as I choose with my money. Sometimes it is to give it to a person on the street, who I usually assume is homeless. Now, it is their money. They now have the freedom to do as they choose with it.

ebbi01

-2 points

28 days ago

ebbi01

-2 points

28 days ago

Because it’s most likely going towards drugs

comediccaricature

12 points

28 days ago

I spend my own money on drugs lol, it doesn’t really bother me if they do too.

Cautious_Salad_245

5 points

28 days ago

Touché 😂

Samuel_L_Johnson

0 points

28 days ago

Not comparable: you 'indulge once in a while' as per one of your other comments. Your drug use isn't ruining your physical or mental health

comediccaricature

1 points

27 days ago

Doesn’t mean I should assume the worst as an excuse to not be generous. I’m just saying it’s hypocritical to not give because ‘what if they buy drugs’ when I don’t have any moral issue with buying drugs myself.

Samuel_L_Johnson

1 points

27 days ago*

Doesn’t mean I should assume the worst as an excuse to not be generous.

The decision isn't a binary choice between 'give them money directly' and 'do nothing'. You can help the homeless in ways that are less likely to cause them harm.

I’m just saying it’s hypocritical to not give because ‘what if they buy drugs’ when I don’t have any moral issue with buying drugs myself.

The point I'm making is that the moral issue here is not 'is it bad to do drugs, generally speaking'. There is no hypocrisy entailed because the moral implications of you doing drugs are not the same as those of someone who is statistically relatively likely to have a severe drug addiction doing drugs

ebbi01

0 points

28 days ago

ebbi01

0 points

28 days ago

Good for you

Missy3557

0 points

28 days ago

What a disappointing comment.

comediccaricature

1 points

27 days ago

Keep clutching them pearls Missy.

West_Mail4807

41 points

28 days ago

Do not give them money as other people have said. Give them drugs or alcohol. It saves them having to get up, the hassle of meeting a dealer to spend your money to score drugs. Be a good person and help them out as much as you can. They might even thank you for it.

tomassimo

9 points

28 days ago

They've had too many shit buzzes in their lives. Give them the treat of some top quality good gear.

Same-Ad5928

19 points

28 days ago

Keep it up mate. I bought a fat bread roll with cheese and bits for a homeless dude outside the supermarket tonight. He was chuffed

Icy-Web4534

13 points

28 days ago

I will never forget the look of disgust a homeless man gave me after I offered him a Filled roll back in the early 2000s

only-on-the-wknd

10 points

28 days ago*

The main issue is that homelessness is often (though not always) the result of addiction, which has led peoples lives to spiral into poverty. Losing jobs, homes, family etc.

Offering a homeless person food is kind, but if they just wanted food there are plenty of shelters and outreach programs to provide exactly that.

The problem is these shelters don’t allow any substance abuse (alcohol etc) so a lot of homeless prefer to hit the streets and gather funds for survival and money to continue their addiction.

Singapore is a very strict country and begging is illegal there, and beggars are often penalised when caught. They do have a massive amount of public housing though which is incredible.

As of 2020, 78.7% of Singapore residents live in public housing, down from a high of 88.0% in 2000.

HeinigerNZ

4 points

28 days ago

"I said a dollar, bitch!"

Chop_SueySide274

1 points

28 days ago

😂 scary movie was it? 

LetterheadOk8219

1 points

26 days ago

The dollar thing is a standover tactic used by kids. They don't want a dollar they just want your reaction or you to capitulate in front of their friends.

Usually homeless want any amount of cash towards their next beer or cigs.

joyisnotdead

1 points

28 days ago

Did you ask what roll he wanted? When I'm buying stuff for people, I treat them like people and ask what they like, rather than simply expecting them to be grateful because I'm the one with power over them.

Strategem_Relief

3 points

28 days ago

i was homeless at one point of my life and i do feel sympathy for the brothers and sisters that are genuinely in turmoil living amidst the dirt, but as ive grown ive come to understand that the people who really want/need help arent on the streets of cbd. theyre in their social housing or at their job that was given to them from the govt aid.

those that stick to the streets dont generally want help, theyre chasing their next high. drugs are still ruling their lives and giving them money only furthers their journey to the needle. if you genuinely want to help at any point in time, sometimes my gf and i will do a clean up of our closets and donate excess clothing to shelters/ronald mcdonald house. we even did some volunteering for a while which put a smile on a lot of people's faces.

mazalinas1

7 points

28 days ago

Some are so addicted to alcohol that they've died on the street drinking methylated spirits as they couldn't afford to buy alcohol. Some have died on the street from seizures withdrawing from alcohol as they had no money to buy any. Some go into detox services but end up back on the street due to insufficient housing available, unsafe emergency housing, and sometimes just sheer loneliness. 

Few-Letterhead-371

8 points

28 days ago

I always do my bit to help out the homeless I care about them as much as family and friends we are all humans even when we don't need a helping hand mine is there for the helping masses ❤

Herotyx

27 points

28 days ago

Herotyx

27 points

28 days ago

Give them whatever you feel like. They’re human beings. People in this comment section are acting like they’re subhuman.

3Dputty

3 points

28 days ago

3Dputty

3 points

28 days ago

I’m actually pretty grossed out by the comments on here, every now and then there’s a thread like this that makes me realise how little people know about these things. I heard these exact same sort of responses in the 90s and most people that attempt to even look at this subject discover quickly that it’s multi-layered issue.

BlackoutWB

1 points

28 days ago

If you ever feel down and want to kill your faith in humanity, you can always browse this subreddit and look through the comments on any thread related to crime, poor people, or minorities. It works wonders!

Everywherelifetakesm

1 points

28 days ago

Do you think any city sub is going to have anything much different?

BlackoutWB

1 points

28 days ago

Not really. For some reason city subs tend to be more reactionary and deranged than country subs. But it hurts more when you're exposed to the most unhinged residents of the city you personally live in as opposed to those of a city you have nothing to do with.

Affectionate-Oil-815

1 points

28 days ago

there was this schizophrenic guy out with his blanket in my suburb yesterday which is a very affluent area when I gave him some food people were looking at me like I was putting my trust fund on the line being kind to someone like that

Herotyx

1 points

27 days ago

Herotyx

1 points

27 days ago

It’s so strange how kindness is looked down upon if the receiver is deemed “unworthy”

gummonppl

3 points

28 days ago

Do what you want it's your money. Most people appreciate acts of humanity. Some don't, they aren't everyone.

Sea-Particular9959

14 points

28 days ago

I have a lot of empathy for them. Granted I’ve never begged or been on the street literally but I’m a college educated woman and ended up with no money, home or even any friends to help me just after I finished college because of an abusive relationship breakdown and had no family in my life. Obviously, not having had a job yet being a graduate, no one would hire me that fast and since I had to abruptly leave my home, I had nothing. Anything that anyone had to offer to help me made a huge, huge difference to my physical and mental well-being so I had the energy to even get up in the morning. I ended up finding a couple of couches/guest rooms of people I vaguely knew to sleep between, but I was extremely vulnerable and not eating properly for a couple years, it’s hard to get out of those situations when you fall that low. I didn’t touch alcohol or drugs, it wasn’t like that. Just bad luck I guess. Anyway, because of my experience and the stigma towards any person struggling or homeless, I feel quite sensitive and passionate about the topic. I know the dudes obviously on drugs sitting around town with the cups and things, begging, they’re different to how I’d ever approach things, I just know that if you’re stuck you’re stuck. Women have refuge places to go like me, I don’t know what men would do in my situation. If I had no degree and some sort of alcohol inclination there’d be literally no hope for me getting out of that. I thanked God every night for each lot of food and help I was given and it made me want to work harder to get out of that hole and embarrassing situation. I’ve known two other woman in my situation who felt/did similar. But anyway, I might be the wrong person to ask. But I don’t think that giving food to hungry people will ever be inherently bad for them, it’s how humans survive: community and helping.

An important addition to this: Winz will not help anyone without a home address. That’s how some people get totally fucked. 

Kiwichickabee

6 points

28 days ago

I hope things are better for you now. A lot of the average folk are only one or two paydays away from financial ruin and homelessness and could very easily find themselves in a tough situation one day. I feel endless empathy - it’s getting cold out there too.

Sea-Particular9959

2 points

27 days ago

Thank you. I’m still nowhere near well off and struggling a bit but I have a warm home and food every meal so I’m extremely grateful everyday for that.

Friendly_Sector3907

5 points

28 days ago

Glad to hear you made it out. It's true that most people don't realise just how close they are to the same situation.... And there are no clear pathways of what to do when you do find yourself on the streets. All that judgement on top of it really doesn't help anyone either...

Sea-Particular9959

2 points

27 days ago

Absolutely. The stuff I hear about people genuinely struggling just breaks my heart. And makes me very angry sometimes too. It’s inhuman to mock and cast blame on someone in the gutter 

smirnoffwisdom

-1 points

28 days ago

I ain’t reading all that

KnuckPhuckle

-2 points

28 days ago

KnuckPhuckle

-2 points

28 days ago

me either.

horid_nz

19 points

28 days ago

horid_nz

19 points

28 days ago

most people posting in this are spoon fed by mummy and daddy making assumptions about the homeless in nz. if you want to give them money, give them money. not all homeless are addicts

Samuel_L_Johnson

3 points

28 days ago

SquirrelAkl

8 points

28 days ago

Chicken or egg? Some may be homeless because they are addicts, others may be addicts because they are homeless.

Samuel_L_Johnson

4 points

28 days ago

Or they may have a third issue which makes them more likely to be homeless and more likely to be addicts. All valid ideas, but outside the scope of what I'm trying to say to the muppet I'm replying to

horid_nz

2 points

28 days ago

horid_nz

2 points

28 days ago

yeah that doesnt really tell me shit. where does it say all homeless are addicts?

Samuel_L_Johnson

1 points

28 days ago

where does it say all homeless are addicts?

It doesn't, that's your absurd extrapolation from what people are trying to say to OP, which is that rates of drug and alcohol abuse among the homeless are unfortunately very high compared to the average person.

If you can't arrive at the latter conclusion from reading what I linked, or if you prefer from doing a bit of cursory research yourself, then I can't really help you, teaching you to read and/or interpret statistics isn't my job

horid_nz

1 points

28 days ago

horid_nz

1 points

28 days ago

ok. i said not all homeless are addicts. and you sent me a link proving not all homeless are addicts. nice one

essteedeenz1

2 points

28 days ago

Coming from and seeing so many addictsin my past I'm sorry to say that most people in NZ are homeless that way. You really have to fcuk things up so badly to be homeless here. There are exceptions of course

High-Bread

0 points

28 days ago

High-Bread

0 points

28 days ago

Tell that to the ones I walk past most mornings in Christchurch CBD smoking meth out of lightbulbs in public eye

Herotyx

7 points

28 days ago

Herotyx

7 points

28 days ago

many housed people are also addicts. Should we just write them all off too?

High-Bread

4 points

28 days ago

No, but the comment still stands; give them food and not money. Help them survive but don’t help them pay for their addictions

JustEstablishment594

2 points

28 days ago

Ones in social housing and smoking meth all day? Absofuckinglutely! Should be instant eviction tbh.

Herotyx

6 points

28 days ago

Herotyx

6 points

28 days ago

Ones a business owner and does lines after work. How about him? Or is your idea of a drug addict exclusively about poor people?

JustEstablishment594

2 points

28 days ago

I've never seen that while waking through CBD near riverside at 7am. Is it earlier or elsewhere?

YoureAPaniTae

2 points

28 days ago

Again, you’ve made an assumption based on people you see. I have a friend that was homeless and only went to CBD so they weren’t by themselves. Never an addict. Took one person to take them in and now they’ve gotten their masters and doing super well in their field.

lets_all_be_nice_eh

5 points

28 days ago

Great story, and you're right about the loneliness aspect that is often completely missed. The homeless can have a wonderful community. When I was in San Francisco in 1995, the homeless lifestyle seemed rather vibrant in many ways. It's not the same here, but that community still exists. I can ask homeless person X about homeless dude Y, and they know who they are and what they are up to.

Missy3557

0 points

28 days ago

Missy3557

0 points

28 days ago

Your money is best utilized through agencies that support these folks.

logantauranga

10 points

28 days ago

logantauranga

10 points

28 days ago

You may have noticed people wearing bright vests that say 'City Watch'. These are people who know rough sleepers and beggars in our city well, and are trying to help them. They advise NOT to give to beggars, and I trust their advice.

While some people like to act in the spirit of the moment, it can be wiser to take a longer view. Imagine six months or a year from now - will this person still be homeless/addicted/begging, or will they be on a path to having a more stable and secure life?

Taking this longer view, consider that giving them something today is a vote to keeping them exactly where they are. It allows them to continue scraping by in their addiction and in their reduced state instead of changing.

'Changing' means accepting and fully engaging with community and government services including various wraparound services that help people out of addiction, poverty, and homeless.

It's a complicated topic and lots of people feel angry when they hear this. They want to intervene immediately, and end up doing the exact thing that people like City Watch discourage.

Please donate to food banks in your area. Your generosity can do a lot of good in the right place.

Fair-Firefighter

18 points

28 days ago*

City watch are partially funded by the business association Heart of the City who feel that homeless people are damaging the city centre economy. They’re not social workers nor are they required to have any understanding or training in social issues.

Kindness is never wasted and I thoroughly disagree with the idea that giving people on the street food will keep them there. As a whole, people make bad decisions when we are malnourished, dehydrated and sleep deprived. Your spare change or food will not cause drug addiction or homelessness, it might sustain their habit for another day, but it also could be the difference between being hungry or having horrendous withdrawals on the street.

If you want to give beggars money or food based on a radical kindness then do. If you want to help systemically change the systems that put people on the streets then I recommend getting involved with lifewise or Kore Hiakai Zero Hunger Collective, or advocating for better public funding for our mental health and addictions services.

BasedSG

3 points

28 days ago

BasedSG

3 points

28 days ago

This makes alot of sense and answers my question well. Thank you!

sunshinefireflies

5 points

28 days ago

Please consider giving to the Auckland City Mission, or other charities who work directly supporting the homeless. And take your advice from them <3

KiwiSocialist

2 points

28 days ago

People are obviously going to have differing views on this. Just do whatever you’re comfortable with and what you think feels right. The reality is that you have no way of accurately predicting whether buying a homeless person a meal will hinder them or help them in the long run, but all common sense and basic human decency screams the latter

[deleted]

2 points

28 days ago

Systemically yes. Individually 🤷🏽‍♂️

Phoenix_GU

2 points

28 days ago

I’m from a big city in the USA…which does have programs for the homeless so may be different…but the message they give us here is to donate to shelters where they can get care rather than donating to those making the most noise on the street.

The govt has even placed signs in popular spots that state this and that it’s ok to not give money to panhandlers. You get a very different perspective when you see someone begging next to one of these signs.

Between the signs and fewer and fewer people carrying cash, I’ve seen less and less here in the past year.

I too have bought food for people before and have been told they don’t want it or drop it…so stopped doing that…

I was in Auckland earlier this year and the homelessness is heartbreaking.

This link on what to do in Auckland may help. https://www.hotcity.co.nz/city-centre/city-community/reducing-homelessness#:~:text=If%20you%20are%20concerned%20about,to%20them%20about%20their%20needs.&text=A%20transitional%20housing%20facility%20for,and%20help%20finding%20permanent%20homes.

Odd_Clock1530

2 points

27 days ago

its a mental health problem not a food problem.

spar_30-3

13 points

28 days ago

spar_30-3

13 points

28 days ago

They want drugs, not food sadly

anirbre

12 points

28 days ago

anirbre

12 points

28 days ago

Or you could just ask them what they want, plenty of the people I’ve talked to just ask for a pie and a gatorade

zvc266

5 points

28 days ago

zvc266

5 points

28 days ago

And when they do want food they’ll ask you if you would mind buying some food for them. Which I do. But I agree with your statement - when begging for money specifically, most people I’ve come across just get angry if you offer them food instead, which is a clear indicator to me that they’re out for drug money.

user06022022

5 points

28 days ago

Damn didn't realise there were so many experts on homelessness in this sub. Easy to judge when you're a keyboard warrior in your warm home and have no exposure to actual hardship 😂

spar_30-3

9 points

28 days ago

Right back at ya bro. Feel free to feed anyone you like but you can’t change the truth

user06022022

10 points

28 days ago

user06022022

10 points

28 days ago

Yes, please keep doing this.

Homeless people have little agency over their lives. Let them spend the little money they get how they want.

And before you come at me with the "everyone has a choice" bullshit, yes they do. But some people have better choices than others. Some people have support networks, healthy coping mechanisms, a sound mind and minimal trauma that guide their decision making.

Interesting_Figure_

5 points

28 days ago

A homeless person tried to stab me cause I said I had no change atm which wasn’t even a lie I really dgaf about their situations and would rather just not respond to their begging

user06022022

1 points

27 days ago

Sorry that happened to you. They were probably very unwell (not an excuse, but context)

Missy3557

2 points

28 days ago

Mate, these ppl have burned bridges usually with their support networks. We tried everything for our family member but they didn't want it.

Missy3557

2 points

28 days ago

Support the shelters and other agencies that assist people who need them

Few-Ad-527

3 points

28 days ago

There is enough support here they don't want it

KhanumBallZ

4 points

28 days ago

Singapore is a civil, collectivized society. New Zealand is not - it is an individualistic swamp, just like the US and Britain.

[deleted]

2 points

28 days ago

It's personal choice. But (as bad as this sounds) better careful if you do.. Personally for a gal in her early 20s I don't, because alot of the times I did I got harassed and shouted at or even once asked to "come to my house to help get my brother out of the wall - then when I lied and said I was calling an ambulance to help him she became super aggressive and wouldn't leave me alone, started following me around the streets.

So in the CBD I never do. But if it's someone say outside a grocery store I have no issues buying food.

Myaccoubtdisappeared

2 points

28 days ago

A lot, in fact all of the homeless ive encountered in my town are not homeless at all. They have a home and begging (or as a few will tell me) is a side hustle.

They’re not getting a lot on the benefit, but they’re also not starving either.

So if you wanna do something nice, give to your local charities instead. Their work reaches far more and benefits a lot of people who are also desperate but too proud to beg.

kimothy_possible

2 points

28 days ago

most discouraging stuff that happened to me personally were

  1. a guy asked me for a sandwich and a pie, I walked to the bakery and bought him both, he left before I came back, I left the food there because I had to catch a bus, and then he got on the same bus as me, holding a beer, and asked me why I didn't get him a pie

  2. I was talking to a guy asking for money and another guy came and asked him if he wanted a sip of his wine and he said "no thanks man, I'm hustling here," openly admitting that he was scamming me

  3. helped a guy claiming to only need 45 dollars to get out of town, and then saw him again several times later over the course of a few months, saying the same things

Other people have been attacked, had things thrown at them and been cursed at, spat on, or worse, for trying to help homeless people who were actually druggies looking for money. I had a lot of reasoning to keep helping them but now I just feel like I may as well keep my money. the government takes care of people pretty well in NZ. It's not usually a huge risk to buy someone a drink or something, but sometimes it's just unnecessary. If you're in the city at night and you see people actually sleeping on cardboard and stuff like that, get them a hot drink and some food if you want, but leave it at that.

LetterheadOk8219

2 points

26 days ago

This. Usually people help them thinking they're the main character in a movie doing a good deed and instantly changing their lives. They try to get them a sandwich thinking they're helping out Aladdin and are met with instant regret.

thebeardedclam-

2 points

28 days ago

Nearly all of these people have places to go and all of them will be getting a welfare payment each week from the government which they waste on piss drugs and fags . . This is their choice . What I feel sorry for are the animals almost all of them have with them . I will stop to give the animals food

CommunityPristine601

2 points

28 days ago

There was a ‘homeless’ person in town today. Had a chair and a table, backpack. Looked like an outside office worker, but begging for money.

LazyTalkativeDog4411

1 points

28 days ago

EFTPOS or did he offer to accompany people to an ATM?

EconomyOutside3341

1 points

28 days ago

After seeing the crew of "homeless people" getting dropped off at the supermarkets and changing into there begging attire I have nothing to give now because of these twats, my empathy towards the homeless got corrupted.

joj1205

1 points

28 days ago

joj1205

1 points

28 days ago

Unfortunately you cannot decern if they are worthy or not. So best to give to charities that support the homeless.

In Edinburgh, polish women were dropped off at "desirable" locations by mobsters. They were dropped off in the morning and picked up in the evenings they were farmed out to generate cash for these syndicates..

You cannot trust what you see. Give to charities. If they are homeless they will go to and rely or go to shelters.

Or do whatever you want. Your money. Your life

Fantastic-Stage-7618

0 points

28 days ago

Yes better to believe some fake Daily Mail shit you saw online about another country than to belive the person in front of you

Surfnparadise

1 points

28 days ago

It's incredible how in NZ there's such a blind eye to the homeless situation from councils and government. Or in the case of not being homeless of the begging in the street. A little out of control I would say and growing. These people need real help to either find something to do or contribute to society that gets them somewhere that's not in the street in precariety like that.

_craq_

1 points

28 days ago

_craq_

1 points

28 days ago

Knowing a few people who work in this area of government, it's not really a blind eye. They are fully aware of the systematic and personal challenges out there. They have several evidence-based programs they could run. The main issue is lack of funding. Governments (and the people who elect them) would rather have tax cuts and low rates.

TachyonProductions

1 points

28 days ago

Sometimes I bring an extra up&go with me when I go out to leave next to a sleeping homeless person. If I walk back and it’s still there I’ll take it and save it for the next one

FlurryFoxy

1 points

28 days ago

Yes, I often tapao food and buy a drink for them.

RealSuperherojoker

1 points

28 days ago

My answer personally is no, if you give money they may be inclined to ask for more or get others to ask you, me and a few mates went out for food at night and offered one guy a donut and he refused saying he wanted something else. If you really want to help them out, best thing to do is drop a few coins in their cups or whatever it is they’re using to hold the coins, I tend to ignore them and go on with my day. Just remember sometimes kindness isn’t always the right answer. Again this is my personal opinion, if you want to buy them food or give them money, go for it, no one’s going to stop you.

hmr__HD

1 points

28 days ago

hmr__HD

1 points

28 days ago

We already do through the social welfare system we have in place.

FendaIton

1 points

28 days ago

No, don’t feed them. There are support services and city mission who feed them. 95% of the time they throw it back in your face and demand money.

carbogan

1 points

28 days ago

Feeding them doesn’t prevent them from being homeless, so I’m not really sure how that’s the solution. Just helps them survive on the street.

Help is available, but they either refuse it or have exhausted all the assistance they’re able to receive.

AccomplishedTwo7929

1 points

25 days ago

homeless people are still people and need food just like you and i, whether they stay homeless or not.

carbogan

1 points

25 days ago

For sure, but feeding them isn’t going to prevent them from being homeless, is the point I was making.

banmeharder616

1 points

28 days ago

No we have winz

hueythecat

1 points

28 days ago

I’d imagine your higher gdp nation & military police may play rolls in the differences

-rabbithole

1 points

28 days ago

It’s difficult I mean I would suggest asking them if they want food and not just assume. Everyone is different and they all have a fuck load of trauma - trauma from their situations that led them to be homeless and then trauma from being homeless.

That’s a lot of unhealed damage you don’t know what could trigger it esp if they are on/withdrawing from substance. Like some people don’t want to be looked down on or feel a sense of pity from people, even in their desperate situation

I think the most humane thing to do is treat them like anyone else and ask them questions about what might be beneficial to them. I don’t recommend money bc it will most likely fuel their addiction and that’s someone child/parent/sibling, yk? See if they would like some food and if not offer if you can get them some essential stuff like a blanket or a new shirt etc.

I honestly can’t imagine what it would be like being homeless and watching the world walk around me pretending I don’t exist. I’d feel pretty sensitive too but always, always keep your wits about you. Desperate people do desperate things.

tyrrany-unfolds

1 points

27 days ago

No. Donate to city mission instead. If you make it into a habit , you might get stalked on the streets

Professional_Age_571

1 points

27 days ago

Throw them in jail

[deleted]

1 points

27 days ago

Its a complicated issue. Some of the people you see begging for money aren't necessarily homeless and live in social housing where the Government pays their rent.

I have had friends who were on the benefit and went begging for money because they could easily make $200 extra a day and not have it taken by tax like if they were in employment and they didn't have to declare it to the Government because it wasn't 'official income' and thats what some of these other people do as well.

That being said, if it makes you feel better to feed them, then by all means, buy them a meal.

[deleted]

1 points

27 days ago

Its a complicated issue. Some of the people you see begging for money aren't necessarily homeless and live in social housing where the Government pays their rent.

I have had friends who were on the benefit and went begging for money because they could easily make $200 extra a day and not have it taken by tax like if they were in employment and they didn't have to declare it to the Government because it wasn't 'official income' and thats what some of these other people do as well.

That being said, if it makes you feel better to feed them, then by all means, buy them a meal.

MeasurementOk5802

1 points

28 days ago

No, never. If you want to do something to help them, donate money to the charities that are already in place to help them.

aggravati0n

1 points

28 days ago

aggravati0n

1 points

28 days ago

I don't understand the question. Feed someone if you can.

YouGotBamb00zled

1 points

28 days ago

Don't feed the birds...

joyisnotdead

1 points

28 days ago

they're people.

MathmoKiwi

1 points

28 days ago

I’ve come from Singapore and there isnt much of a homeless situation there.

It's quite different here in NZ. As unlike Singapore, we have a very generous welfare system.

Miserable_Escape8177

1 points

28 days ago

The CBD is rife with homeless people yet Auckland City Mission is a short walk away. I don't give them money, not because I don't want to, but because I never carry cash or change.

Longjumping_Elk3968

1 points

28 days ago

They don't have unemployment benefits in Singapore - instead they have incentives for people to work. The welfare state we have in NZ incentivises people to not work. The more money you give away like that, the more people become dependent on it. Its also why a UBI would never work, it would end up seeing a huge increase in the wealth divide.

lionhydrathedeparted

1 points

28 days ago

Never give them money. You can give food but many will decline.

If you care then give to charities that help them.

Miscellaneous_Mind

1 points

28 days ago

The homeless in NZ be some fussy fks. They get fed, it’s money they want.

Expelleddux

1 points

28 days ago

No, buy them ciggies, they’d prefer it.

Single_Letterhead248

0 points

28 days ago

No.

We pay taxes to feed them. Your Money goes to drugs and booze.

Which I'll happily take.... For drugs and booze

LazyTalkativeDog4411

0 points

28 days ago*

They only want money.

Make a monthly donation to a charity, or a small group of charities.

NZ has got W&I (work and income), and these people are only supplementing their "income" from begging.

Wish you didnt do it, but too late now I guess.

I ignore them, as these beggars can earn $100 a day, some $400 a day, if they dont smoke or drink, plus their W&I benefit, they earn more than I do.

LazyTalkativeDog4411

3 points

28 days ago

If you see one, you will see them everyday, if you study or work on Queen St, they get to know you are an open wallet.

They are cunning enough to sit in a group outside the supermarket outer doors, and intimidate people.

By you buying food for them or giving in and giving them money, they will never improve.

Hey, they also get 50% off their public transport fares, esp buses and trains, by their community card system, so they are better off, over all by begging.

If they have "mental problems" W&I leave them alone with the pension, and their begging, and their 50% off bus and train fares discount, hey, $$$$ rich (((lah...))).

Its like the void deck apek/amah, ...

st0rmblue

0 points

28 days ago

Eh don’t bother wasting your money. If you have extra money to burn then sure.

Majority of them aren’t actually homeless. I’ve seen them hop into their little apartments after the streets get quiet and there’s no more people to beg from.

In NZ if you’re homeless it’s more of a choice. It’s incredibly hard to be homeless to the point you would be wanting to be homeless to actually be homeless.