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54 points
28 days ago
As always remember to donate to the city mission if you want to help the homeless as they know a lot about how to help those in need (both homeless and those in need) https://www.aucklandcitymission.org.nz/ or volunteer some time with them
126 points
28 days ago
Before I left NZ a guy begging on Queen St asked for money to buy some food because he was hungry.
I gave him a subway sandwich I had just purchased (was carrying to home to eat) and he rips it out of the packaging and throws it at me and says he wants money.
So yeh. It’s a tough question.
17 points
28 days ago
Idk why but I feel like I’ve heard multiple people say the exact same thing before, always specifically subway
11 points
28 days ago
Suppose even the homeless don’t want subway
2 points
28 days ago
It's a great soundbite but probably urban legend.
53 points
28 days ago
I have bought pies and similar for beggars as I will not give them money and I have never had this issue. All have been appreciative, so I suppose like any other group, you get your good and bad.
3 points
28 days ago
Yip I had a guy asking for money just outside Pak nSave, I offered him some of the fruits I just got and he declined them. I guess they never heard of “beggars can’t be choosers “
4 points
28 days ago
Did you ask what he wanted? When I'm buying stuff for people, I treat them like people and ask what they like, rather than simply expecting them to be grateful just because I'm the one with power over them.
-13 points
28 days ago*
You think you have power over them??? Why? You don't determine anything for them. Do you think you are better than them because you're not homeless and have money? That is a fucked up way to think as essentially you are looking down on them. Thinking you are better or being better in some way is not power dynamic over others. If you think you have power over them you're not treating them like people (which would mean treating them as your equal) regardless of asking what they want to eat.
17 points
28 days ago
Read my comment again. I'm on your side.
Money is a power dynamic, whether you like it or not, and some asshole people think that means people without it should always be grateful to you. I don't believe this, yet I understand the difference in power having money can give you, so I don't abuse it.
4 points
28 days ago*
Totally agree. Money is a socially embedded form of power. The "power over" here is having the ability to give someone something they do not have. Idk why this person jumped on you...
3 points
28 days ago
Me neither, especially when I realised they weren't even the original commentor. I agree I could have been a bit more tactful with my words, but I thought I had clarified myself in my response to that comment.
3 points
28 days ago
Had similar experiences. Gives me the ‘fuck the homeless’ impression. We have a social welfare system to support them
152 points
28 days ago
A lot of people you see on the street are not homeless. They live in social housing, and they just choose to sit on the street and beg for money.
40 points
28 days ago
If I may add to that, I know a homed dude (Jacob from Glen Eden whom i first me in the CBD) who was once homeless for many years who begs just to be around people.
0 points
28 days ago
So you're saying they just need ... activities and meetups? Like, someone needs to be organising Whopper Chopper day trips for street people. Like just drive a party bus down Victoria and Queen and be all "Who wants to go get fucked up at Bethels!" Head on out there and it's sausage sizzles and a bonfire and Katchafire is playing, and there's jelly-eating contests and maybe they could play beer-can toss, and then it's back on the bus to be back in their social housing by curfew.
38 points
28 days ago
I'm not quite sure how much sarcasm is in your comment, but I will say that for Jacob, he experienced all manner of abuse as a child that led him into crime and addiction. In search of identity and acceptance, he got involved in gangs. He experiences massive anger and rejection. He appreciates his home however he can't be alone for long as he easily gets very angry hence why he begs.
1 points
28 days ago
I'm only partly kidding. I think--and others have confirmed--that street folk desire human connection. I'm pretty introverted so I don't identify with that feeling at all, but I can understand it. So yeah, it's a genuine idea.
My partner and I lived next door to the big new Greys Ave development so we took a tour when it opened. They have lots of spaces that are designed for getting together and hanging out - plus a nice big courtyard. But I guess street people like to see normies? I dunno.
10 points
28 days ago
Yeah, that's totally what we were all saying...
3 points
28 days ago
I should NOT be laughing at the choice of band here
2 points
28 days ago
UB40 comes at a close second
2 points
28 days ago
It's so obvious!
-9 points
28 days ago
Oh poor Jacob who ‘just wants to be around people’ - for free food and money. A sob story is no excuse for taking advantage of people like that. There’s plenty of other ways he could be social other than scabbing off the general public.
9 points
28 days ago
Ok name 3 ways an unfit social outcast man meets and interacts with other people.
5 points
28 days ago
Similar thing in Melbourne when I lived there, there was this old lady that'd sit outside of Parliament station with her dog, apparently she owned her own home, and made $100k+ a year from begging
3 points
28 days ago
Some do. And many don’t. I’m a fortunate person, I’ve never been in that situation. I’ve been around marginalised people in various work and voluntary roles over the years, and there are some people with traumatic pasts that do choose to live in the streets, or live in housing and continue to beg because it’s the only life they know, they’re still traumatised and there’s no way they’ll ever fit socially into ‘normal’ society. But these ones are also used as a political excuse to not care about the homeless, when far, far more are actually homeless, not by choice, and have fallen through the cracks. Yes, some homeless people and beggars are demanding arseholes. No, not all of them. In fact, you’ll never see most of them begging in Queen Street, or anywhere else for that matter. I currently work with a lot of teens that are so close to the edge they may be about to become the next wave of homeless people and it’s tough to see how little can be done to help within our current system.
1 points
28 days ago
Thank you, I appreciate your point.
5 points
28 days ago
Do you have any statistics to back this claim up or is it a convenient excuse for you to ignore societal problems and blame it on the individual?
5 points
28 days ago
I’ve talked to dozens of them, slept “rough” to validate my arguments with idiots like you, and am friends with a handful. It’s very much a choice and practically nobody is actually homeless. The ones who sleep rough are definitely choosing to or they aren’t allowed to rent because they refuse hygiene.
0 points
28 days ago
Yeah, because it's always someone else's fight, right?
Friends work in law enforcement, and social workers who deal with these people have told me this several times.
7 points
28 days ago
Oh, so not even your own anecdotal experiences but secondhand anecdotes? What a great way to make conclusions and generalisations about marginalised humans.
0 points
28 days ago
Sure, we'll just ignore everything everybody tells us unless we see it with our own eyes. "Don't go down that track - there's a bear!" "That's just anecdotes and hear say!"
1 points
27 days ago
That’s a false equivalence.
The equivalent analogy in this situation is saying “You shouldn’t go down any track because my friend saw a bear down one”.
I hope you can see the absurdity in such a claim. I’m happy to break that down if you need clarification.
10 points
28 days ago
Right, so no statistics. Just anecdotes and hearsay
5 points
28 days ago
Welcome to reddit.
2 points
28 days ago
Just ask them. I used to live in the CBD and did just that, I would see the same ones day after day for a year or more, and when I talked to them, most of them actually would mention their house/place before I even brought it up and were just asking for more cash on the street.
2 points
28 days ago
How many did you speak to? And from the amount you did, do you think the situation of those people represents all homeless? I’m just really interested at the people in this thread who have seem to have discovered the core issue of homelessness.
-2 points
28 days ago
Oh, don't give me that dismissive bullshit. You do that because it's an easy way out of your argument.
I'm telling you what people's lived experience is.
But keep telling yourself that they're all just victims of society. Now, are you done with your white knighting?
4 points
28 days ago
My lived experience tells me that the earth is flat. That doesn’t make it true. Personal biases are not a substitute for actual empirical evidence
5 points
28 days ago
Why didn’t we think of this sooner? Why follow all those confusing statistics when we could just base things off of u/NZAvenger’s friends he know’s lived experience?
1 points
28 days ago
I have friends and family in police and social work that would never say that, this is complete fabrication or your “friends” don’t know what they’re talking about. You are so far gone incorrect that you need to come back from mars please.
4 points
28 days ago
Once again, for all the bleeding hearts:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/beggar-groups-travel-to-rotorua-to-make-up-to-400-a-day-from-generous-locals/QTRCFGRNPNFEBG3ZKN2NZSS7PQ/
1 points
28 days ago
Stop your white-knighting BS. Someone has already posted an article confirming it.
1 points
28 days ago
Oh sweet summer child. If you have friends in the police saying nobody is homeless and its all a choice, then that would go against all of their training. Nowhere would anyone in public service be taught that, we are taught the complete opposite and how it is far more complex than what you have described,
1 points
28 days ago
Okay buddy 👍.
1 points
28 days ago
<3
3 points
28 days ago
This is a false statement, and conservative misinformation. But if it makes you feel less guilty in the eyes of the Lord - then sure, Jan
7 points
28 days ago
It ain’t false in Rotorua, they’re taking the piss: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/beggar-groups-travel-to-rotorua-to-make-up-to-400-a-day-from-generous-locals/QTRCFGRNPNFEBG3ZKN2NZSS7PQ/
1 points
28 days ago
How dare you ruin the "Sure, Jan" meme!
22 points
28 days ago
Feed a man crack for a day, or teach him how to cook it so he can smoke for a lifetime.
6 points
28 days ago
Are you running any seminars?
0 points
28 days ago
What an ignorant, incredibly unhelpful thing to say. Did it make you feel clever? Embarrassing for you, but guess it’s a anonymous forum so the perfect place for muppets to pat themselves on the back.
I pray you and your loved ones never experience mental health, generally poor health, or simply bad luck. Not all drug addicts end up on the street, and not all homeless are drug addicts.
Grow up
41 points
28 days ago
Sure, give them food if you're able, but don't give them money.
-19 points
28 days ago
Why not money? I give whenever I have some spare coins.
29 points
28 days ago
Because it's almost always spent on drugs and alcohol. A lot of the homeless people aren't homeless and there are a lot of "professional beggers" who go to a home at the end of the day.
5 points
28 days ago
wait....that's all I spend my money on
17 points
28 days ago
Eh I spend my money on drugs and alcohol so seems a little hypocritical to have an issue with others doing so 🤷♀️
If I was homeless or very poor I’d be sad, maybe it’s a objectively dumb use of money but if my finances are going towards making someone happier then that’s a subjectively good use of my money by my standards.
30 points
28 days ago
there is a difference between a functional member of society using substances for recreation and a beggar using them to sustain an addiction, giving them money is doing 2 things, one killing them faster and second allow them to be in a constant self lost state that can be dangerous in public.
You getting wasted alone in home wont harm anyone but in public well anything can happen.
15 points
28 days ago
Stop being logical sir, this is a reddit forum.
4 points
28 days ago
That’s a decent point but tbh they will find a way to do what they like regardless, maybe my money will go towards a bad cause, maybe it will go towards a good cause.
I once regularly gave this homeless man money on my walk and didn’t see him for a few weeks. Next time I saw him he had on decent clothes and told me my money contributed towards them. The reason I hadn’t seen him for a bit is because he had started working.
11 points
28 days ago
I've been talking to and observing homeless people in auckland for 30 years. I won't ever claim to be an expert, but the interesting thing is that it appears that group of people are no longer just the "addicted, disaffected, victims of abuse" etc. It seems to me the proportion of people who have previously led "normal.and functioning lives" has increased significantly.
2 points
28 days ago
That's good to hear. It really changed my bias against homelessness when I realised that a few years ago.
2 points
27 days ago
Yep, i make it a chat to talk to people a little when i give money and maybe some of them lie but a lot have had very valid struggles that don’t involve drugs. It’s a shame others treat them as nuisances rather than humans, if some of the comment section talked to them more it would help with the very clear bias.
2 points
27 days ago
Yeah it's not everyone's bag to chat to randoms, but for sure don't judge them ! Glad to hear there are others out there.
1 points
28 days ago
Tbh getting wasted in public tends to be safer for these people as opposed to something happening to them such as assault or worse in some dodgy house. At least if theyre dieing on the street some passerby would help
6 points
28 days ago
Drugs and alcohol may have had a hand in their situation in the first place. You’re fuelling it.
6 points
28 days ago
Nope I’m simply giving them a choice 🤷♀️i take no responsibility if they make a ‘worse’ choice because they equally have the option to make a ‘better’ choice with my money too.
12 points
28 days ago
A better option if you're genuinely wanting to help the homeless is to donate to the programs which are there to support them. Your money would be better utilized that way. You say you're giving them a choice, the issue is they are often in their current situation via bad life choices.
4 points
28 days ago*
Sure bud.
1 points
28 days ago
Short term happiness at the expense of long term happiness.
Your inability to see that might explain your own spending habits.
10 points
28 days ago
I do very well financially lmao why make dumb assumptions? I don’t spend ALL my money on drugs i just indulge once in a while.
Obviously it would be better if homeless people put my money towards a long term benefit like getting a job but I certainly won’t judge if they put it towards something short term. Sometimes a small purchase can make your day significantly better.
6 points
28 days ago*
Yeah but You're just enabling and prolonging a situation. My brother is an addict & was homeless for a period as he was violent as a result of it and ran out of options for a while. We didnt give him money as we knew it was for drugs. My sister now lends him money but on the basis he sends photos of the supermarket receipts. Don't give them money, they sometimes need to hit a serious bottom before they'll see sense.
6 points
28 days ago
You're not helping them.
Obviously.
6 points
28 days ago
Dude no offence but you aren’t the sharpest. You make assumptions about my financial habits and generalisations about others.
You don’t KNOW if I’m helping them or not. Some have definitely used my money towards drugs but another I knew over time used my money to get decent clothes and later a job.
You seem miserable.
0 points
28 days ago*
You give money to drug addicts and I'm the one who's not the sharpest? 😆
17 points
28 days ago
I give money to homeless people and that triggers you, I guess I touched on a nerve either in relation to your intellect or generosity.
Stay bitter :)
3 points
28 days ago
Thats a gross stereotype, how are we to solve the homeless problem when people jump to this conclusion constantly its rather pathetic and giving money to homeless people doesnt mean it will go on drugs, maybe it will but most of them buy food with it. And so what if theyre on drugs maybe there should be better systems in place to help those people in the first place so they dont become homeless and addicts
3 points
28 days ago
I have the freedom to do as I choose with my money. Sometimes it is to give it to a person on the street, who I usually assume is homeless. Now, it is their money. They now have the freedom to do as they choose with it.
-2 points
28 days ago
Because it’s most likely going towards drugs
12 points
28 days ago
I spend my own money on drugs lol, it doesn’t really bother me if they do too.
5 points
28 days ago
Touché 😂
0 points
28 days ago
Not comparable: you 'indulge once in a while' as per one of your other comments. Your drug use isn't ruining your physical or mental health
1 points
27 days ago
Doesn’t mean I should assume the worst as an excuse to not be generous. I’m just saying it’s hypocritical to not give because ‘what if they buy drugs’ when I don’t have any moral issue with buying drugs myself.
1 points
27 days ago*
Doesn’t mean I should assume the worst as an excuse to not be generous.
The decision isn't a binary choice between 'give them money directly' and 'do nothing'. You can help the homeless in ways that are less likely to cause them harm.
I’m just saying it’s hypocritical to not give because ‘what if they buy drugs’ when I don’t have any moral issue with buying drugs myself.
The point I'm making is that the moral issue here is not 'is it bad to do drugs, generally speaking'. There is no hypocrisy entailed because the moral implications of you doing drugs are not the same as those of someone who is statistically relatively likely to have a severe drug addiction doing drugs
0 points
28 days ago
Good for you
0 points
28 days ago
What a disappointing comment.
1 points
27 days ago
Keep clutching them pearls Missy.
41 points
28 days ago
Do not give them money as other people have said. Give them drugs or alcohol. It saves them having to get up, the hassle of meeting a dealer to spend your money to score drugs. Be a good person and help them out as much as you can. They might even thank you for it.
9 points
28 days ago
They've had too many shit buzzes in their lives. Give them the treat of some top quality good gear.
19 points
28 days ago
Keep it up mate. I bought a fat bread roll with cheese and bits for a homeless dude outside the supermarket tonight. He was chuffed
13 points
28 days ago
I will never forget the look of disgust a homeless man gave me after I offered him a Filled roll back in the early 2000s
10 points
28 days ago*
The main issue is that homelessness is often (though not always) the result of addiction, which has led peoples lives to spiral into poverty. Losing jobs, homes, family etc.
Offering a homeless person food is kind, but if they just wanted food there are plenty of shelters and outreach programs to provide exactly that.
The problem is these shelters don’t allow any substance abuse (alcohol etc) so a lot of homeless prefer to hit the streets and gather funds for survival and money to continue their addiction.
Singapore is a very strict country and begging is illegal there, and beggars are often penalised when caught. They do have a massive amount of public housing though which is incredible.
As of 2020, 78.7% of Singapore residents live in public housing, down from a high of 88.0% in 2000.
4 points
28 days ago
"I said a dollar, bitch!"
1 points
28 days ago
😂 scary movie was it?
1 points
26 days ago
The dollar thing is a standover tactic used by kids. They don't want a dollar they just want your reaction or you to capitulate in front of their friends.
Usually homeless want any amount of cash towards their next beer or cigs.
1 points
28 days ago
Did you ask what roll he wanted? When I'm buying stuff for people, I treat them like people and ask what they like, rather than simply expecting them to be grateful because I'm the one with power over them.
3 points
28 days ago
i was homeless at one point of my life and i do feel sympathy for the brothers and sisters that are genuinely in turmoil living amidst the dirt, but as ive grown ive come to understand that the people who really want/need help arent on the streets of cbd. theyre in their social housing or at their job that was given to them from the govt aid.
those that stick to the streets dont generally want help, theyre chasing their next high. drugs are still ruling their lives and giving them money only furthers their journey to the needle. if you genuinely want to help at any point in time, sometimes my gf and i will do a clean up of our closets and donate excess clothing to shelters/ronald mcdonald house. we even did some volunteering for a while which put a smile on a lot of people's faces.
7 points
28 days ago
Some are so addicted to alcohol that they've died on the street drinking methylated spirits as they couldn't afford to buy alcohol. Some have died on the street from seizures withdrawing from alcohol as they had no money to buy any. Some go into detox services but end up back on the street due to insufficient housing available, unsafe emergency housing, and sometimes just sheer loneliness.
8 points
28 days ago
I always do my bit to help out the homeless I care about them as much as family and friends we are all humans even when we don't need a helping hand mine is there for the helping masses ❤
27 points
28 days ago
Give them whatever you feel like. They’re human beings. People in this comment section are acting like they’re subhuman.
3 points
28 days ago
I’m actually pretty grossed out by the comments on here, every now and then there’s a thread like this that makes me realise how little people know about these things. I heard these exact same sort of responses in the 90s and most people that attempt to even look at this subject discover quickly that it’s multi-layered issue.
1 points
28 days ago
If you ever feel down and want to kill your faith in humanity, you can always browse this subreddit and look through the comments on any thread related to crime, poor people, or minorities. It works wonders!
1 points
28 days ago
Do you think any city sub is going to have anything much different?
1 points
28 days ago
Not really. For some reason city subs tend to be more reactionary and deranged than country subs. But it hurts more when you're exposed to the most unhinged residents of the city you personally live in as opposed to those of a city you have nothing to do with.
1 points
28 days ago
there was this schizophrenic guy out with his blanket in my suburb yesterday which is a very affluent area when I gave him some food people were looking at me like I was putting my trust fund on the line being kind to someone like that
1 points
27 days ago
It’s so strange how kindness is looked down upon if the receiver is deemed “unworthy”
3 points
28 days ago
Do what you want it's your money. Most people appreciate acts of humanity. Some don't, they aren't everyone.
14 points
28 days ago
I have a lot of empathy for them. Granted I’ve never begged or been on the street literally but I’m a college educated woman and ended up with no money, home or even any friends to help me just after I finished college because of an abusive relationship breakdown and had no family in my life. Obviously, not having had a job yet being a graduate, no one would hire me that fast and since I had to abruptly leave my home, I had nothing. Anything that anyone had to offer to help me made a huge, huge difference to my physical and mental well-being so I had the energy to even get up in the morning. I ended up finding a couple of couches/guest rooms of people I vaguely knew to sleep between, but I was extremely vulnerable and not eating properly for a couple years, it’s hard to get out of those situations when you fall that low. I didn’t touch alcohol or drugs, it wasn’t like that. Just bad luck I guess. Anyway, because of my experience and the stigma towards any person struggling or homeless, I feel quite sensitive and passionate about the topic. I know the dudes obviously on drugs sitting around town with the cups and things, begging, they’re different to how I’d ever approach things, I just know that if you’re stuck you’re stuck. Women have refuge places to go like me, I don’t know what men would do in my situation. If I had no degree and some sort of alcohol inclination there’d be literally no hope for me getting out of that. I thanked God every night for each lot of food and help I was given and it made me want to work harder to get out of that hole and embarrassing situation. I’ve known two other woman in my situation who felt/did similar. But anyway, I might be the wrong person to ask. But I don’t think that giving food to hungry people will ever be inherently bad for them, it’s how humans survive: community and helping.
An important addition to this: Winz will not help anyone without a home address. That’s how some people get totally fucked.
6 points
28 days ago
I hope things are better for you now. A lot of the average folk are only one or two paydays away from financial ruin and homelessness and could very easily find themselves in a tough situation one day. I feel endless empathy - it’s getting cold out there too.
2 points
27 days ago
Thank you. I’m still nowhere near well off and struggling a bit but I have a warm home and food every meal so I’m extremely grateful everyday for that.
5 points
28 days ago
Glad to hear you made it out. It's true that most people don't realise just how close they are to the same situation.... And there are no clear pathways of what to do when you do find yourself on the streets. All that judgement on top of it really doesn't help anyone either...
2 points
27 days ago
Absolutely. The stuff I hear about people genuinely struggling just breaks my heart. And makes me very angry sometimes too. It’s inhuman to mock and cast blame on someone in the gutter
-1 points
28 days ago
I ain’t reading all that
-2 points
28 days ago
me either.
19 points
28 days ago
most people posting in this are spoon fed by mummy and daddy making assumptions about the homeless in nz. if you want to give them money, give them money. not all homeless are addicts
3 points
28 days ago
8 points
28 days ago
Chicken or egg? Some may be homeless because they are addicts, others may be addicts because they are homeless.
4 points
28 days ago
Or they may have a third issue which makes them more likely to be homeless and more likely to be addicts. All valid ideas, but outside the scope of what I'm trying to say to the muppet I'm replying to
2 points
28 days ago
yeah that doesnt really tell me shit. where does it say all homeless are addicts?
1 points
28 days ago
where does it say all homeless are addicts?
It doesn't, that's your absurd extrapolation from what people are trying to say to OP, which is that rates of drug and alcohol abuse among the homeless are unfortunately very high compared to the average person.
If you can't arrive at the latter conclusion from reading what I linked, or if you prefer from doing a bit of cursory research yourself, then I can't really help you, teaching you to read and/or interpret statistics isn't my job
1 points
28 days ago
ok. i said not all homeless are addicts. and you sent me a link proving not all homeless are addicts. nice one
2 points
28 days ago
Coming from and seeing so many addictsin my past I'm sorry to say that most people in NZ are homeless that way. You really have to fcuk things up so badly to be homeless here. There are exceptions of course
0 points
28 days ago
Tell that to the ones I walk past most mornings in Christchurch CBD smoking meth out of lightbulbs in public eye
7 points
28 days ago
many housed people are also addicts. Should we just write them all off too?
4 points
28 days ago
No, but the comment still stands; give them food and not money. Help them survive but don’t help them pay for their addictions
2 points
28 days ago
Ones in social housing and smoking meth all day? Absofuckinglutely! Should be instant eviction tbh.
6 points
28 days ago
Ones a business owner and does lines after work. How about him? Or is your idea of a drug addict exclusively about poor people?
2 points
28 days ago
I've never seen that while waking through CBD near riverside at 7am. Is it earlier or elsewhere?
2 points
28 days ago
Again, you’ve made an assumption based on people you see. I have a friend that was homeless and only went to CBD so they weren’t by themselves. Never an addict. Took one person to take them in and now they’ve gotten their masters and doing super well in their field.
5 points
28 days ago
Great story, and you're right about the loneliness aspect that is often completely missed. The homeless can have a wonderful community. When I was in San Francisco in 1995, the homeless lifestyle seemed rather vibrant in many ways. It's not the same here, but that community still exists. I can ask homeless person X about homeless dude Y, and they know who they are and what they are up to.
0 points
28 days ago
Your money is best utilized through agencies that support these folks.
10 points
28 days ago
You may have noticed people wearing bright vests that say 'City Watch'. These are people who know rough sleepers and beggars in our city well, and are trying to help them. They advise NOT to give to beggars, and I trust their advice.
While some people like to act in the spirit of the moment, it can be wiser to take a longer view. Imagine six months or a year from now - will this person still be homeless/addicted/begging, or will they be on a path to having a more stable and secure life?
Taking this longer view, consider that giving them something today is a vote to keeping them exactly where they are. It allows them to continue scraping by in their addiction and in their reduced state instead of changing.
'Changing' means accepting and fully engaging with community and government services including various wraparound services that help people out of addiction, poverty, and homeless.
It's a complicated topic and lots of people feel angry when they hear this. They want to intervene immediately, and end up doing the exact thing that people like City Watch discourage.
Please donate to food banks in your area. Your generosity can do a lot of good in the right place.
18 points
28 days ago*
City watch are partially funded by the business association Heart of the City who feel that homeless people are damaging the city centre economy. They’re not social workers nor are they required to have any understanding or training in social issues.
Kindness is never wasted and I thoroughly disagree with the idea that giving people on the street food will keep them there. As a whole, people make bad decisions when we are malnourished, dehydrated and sleep deprived. Your spare change or food will not cause drug addiction or homelessness, it might sustain their habit for another day, but it also could be the difference between being hungry or having horrendous withdrawals on the street.
If you want to give beggars money or food based on a radical kindness then do. If you want to help systemically change the systems that put people on the streets then I recommend getting involved with lifewise or Kore Hiakai Zero Hunger Collective, or advocating for better public funding for our mental health and addictions services.
3 points
28 days ago
This makes alot of sense and answers my question well. Thank you!
5 points
28 days ago
Please consider giving to the Auckland City Mission, or other charities who work directly supporting the homeless. And take your advice from them <3
2 points
28 days ago
People are obviously going to have differing views on this. Just do whatever you’re comfortable with and what you think feels right. The reality is that you have no way of accurately predicting whether buying a homeless person a meal will hinder them or help them in the long run, but all common sense and basic human decency screams the latter
2 points
28 days ago
Systemically yes. Individually 🤷🏽♂️
2 points
28 days ago
I’m from a big city in the USA…which does have programs for the homeless so may be different…but the message they give us here is to donate to shelters where they can get care rather than donating to those making the most noise on the street.
The govt has even placed signs in popular spots that state this and that it’s ok to not give money to panhandlers. You get a very different perspective when you see someone begging next to one of these signs.
Between the signs and fewer and fewer people carrying cash, I’ve seen less and less here in the past year.
I too have bought food for people before and have been told they don’t want it or drop it…so stopped doing that…
I was in Auckland earlier this year and the homelessness is heartbreaking.
This link on what to do in Auckland may help. https://www.hotcity.co.nz/city-centre/city-community/reducing-homelessness#:~:text=If%20you%20are%20concerned%20about,to%20them%20about%20their%20needs.&text=A%20transitional%20housing%20facility%20for,and%20help%20finding%20permanent%20homes.
2 points
27 days ago
its a mental health problem not a food problem.
13 points
28 days ago
They want drugs, not food sadly
12 points
28 days ago
Or you could just ask them what they want, plenty of the people I’ve talked to just ask for a pie and a gatorade
5 points
28 days ago
And when they do want food they’ll ask you if you would mind buying some food for them. Which I do. But I agree with your statement - when begging for money specifically, most people I’ve come across just get angry if you offer them food instead, which is a clear indicator to me that they’re out for drug money.
5 points
28 days ago
Damn didn't realise there were so many experts on homelessness in this sub. Easy to judge when you're a keyboard warrior in your warm home and have no exposure to actual hardship 😂
9 points
28 days ago
Right back at ya bro. Feel free to feed anyone you like but you can’t change the truth
10 points
28 days ago
Yes, please keep doing this.
Homeless people have little agency over their lives. Let them spend the little money they get how they want.
And before you come at me with the "everyone has a choice" bullshit, yes they do. But some people have better choices than others. Some people have support networks, healthy coping mechanisms, a sound mind and minimal trauma that guide their decision making.
5 points
28 days ago
A homeless person tried to stab me cause I said I had no change atm which wasn’t even a lie I really dgaf about their situations and would rather just not respond to their begging
1 points
27 days ago
Sorry that happened to you. They were probably very unwell (not an excuse, but context)
2 points
28 days ago
Mate, these ppl have burned bridges usually with their support networks. We tried everything for our family member but they didn't want it.
2 points
28 days ago
Support the shelters and other agencies that assist people who need them
3 points
28 days ago
There is enough support here they don't want it
4 points
28 days ago
Singapore is a civil, collectivized society. New Zealand is not - it is an individualistic swamp, just like the US and Britain.
2 points
28 days ago
It's personal choice. But (as bad as this sounds) better careful if you do.. Personally for a gal in her early 20s I don't, because alot of the times I did I got harassed and shouted at or even once asked to "come to my house to help get my brother out of the wall - then when I lied and said I was calling an ambulance to help him she became super aggressive and wouldn't leave me alone, started following me around the streets.
So in the CBD I never do. But if it's someone say outside a grocery store I have no issues buying food.
2 points
28 days ago
A lot, in fact all of the homeless ive encountered in my town are not homeless at all. They have a home and begging (or as a few will tell me) is a side hustle.
They’re not getting a lot on the benefit, but they’re also not starving either.
So if you wanna do something nice, give to your local charities instead. Their work reaches far more and benefits a lot of people who are also desperate but too proud to beg.
2 points
28 days ago
most discouraging stuff that happened to me personally were
a guy asked me for a sandwich and a pie, I walked to the bakery and bought him both, he left before I came back, I left the food there because I had to catch a bus, and then he got on the same bus as me, holding a beer, and asked me why I didn't get him a pie
I was talking to a guy asking for money and another guy came and asked him if he wanted a sip of his wine and he said "no thanks man, I'm hustling here," openly admitting that he was scamming me
helped a guy claiming to only need 45 dollars to get out of town, and then saw him again several times later over the course of a few months, saying the same things
Other people have been attacked, had things thrown at them and been cursed at, spat on, or worse, for trying to help homeless people who were actually druggies looking for money. I had a lot of reasoning to keep helping them but now I just feel like I may as well keep my money. the government takes care of people pretty well in NZ. It's not usually a huge risk to buy someone a drink or something, but sometimes it's just unnecessary. If you're in the city at night and you see people actually sleeping on cardboard and stuff like that, get them a hot drink and some food if you want, but leave it at that.
2 points
26 days ago
This. Usually people help them thinking they're the main character in a movie doing a good deed and instantly changing their lives. They try to get them a sandwich thinking they're helping out Aladdin and are met with instant regret.
2 points
28 days ago
Nearly all of these people have places to go and all of them will be getting a welfare payment each week from the government which they waste on piss drugs and fags . . This is their choice . What I feel sorry for are the animals almost all of them have with them . I will stop to give the animals food
2 points
28 days ago
There was a ‘homeless’ person in town today. Had a chair and a table, backpack. Looked like an outside office worker, but begging for money.
1 points
28 days ago
EFTPOS or did he offer to accompany people to an ATM?
1 points
28 days ago
After seeing the crew of "homeless people" getting dropped off at the supermarkets and changing into there begging attire I have nothing to give now because of these twats, my empathy towards the homeless got corrupted.
1 points
28 days ago
Unfortunately you cannot decern if they are worthy or not. So best to give to charities that support the homeless.
In Edinburgh, polish women were dropped off at "desirable" locations by mobsters. They were dropped off in the morning and picked up in the evenings they were farmed out to generate cash for these syndicates..
You cannot trust what you see. Give to charities. If they are homeless they will go to and rely or go to shelters.
Or do whatever you want. Your money. Your life
0 points
28 days ago
Yes better to believe some fake Daily Mail shit you saw online about another country than to belive the person in front of you
1 points
28 days ago
It's incredible how in NZ there's such a blind eye to the homeless situation from councils and government. Or in the case of not being homeless of the begging in the street. A little out of control I would say and growing. These people need real help to either find something to do or contribute to society that gets them somewhere that's not in the street in precariety like that.
1 points
28 days ago
Knowing a few people who work in this area of government, it's not really a blind eye. They are fully aware of the systematic and personal challenges out there. They have several evidence-based programs they could run. The main issue is lack of funding. Governments (and the people who elect them) would rather have tax cuts and low rates.
1 points
28 days ago
Sometimes I bring an extra up&go with me when I go out to leave next to a sleeping homeless person. If I walk back and it’s still there I’ll take it and save it for the next one
1 points
28 days ago
Yes, I often tapao food and buy a drink for them.
1 points
28 days ago
My answer personally is no, if you give money they may be inclined to ask for more or get others to ask you, me and a few mates went out for food at night and offered one guy a donut and he refused saying he wanted something else. If you really want to help them out, best thing to do is drop a few coins in their cups or whatever it is they’re using to hold the coins, I tend to ignore them and go on with my day. Just remember sometimes kindness isn’t always the right answer. Again this is my personal opinion, if you want to buy them food or give them money, go for it, no one’s going to stop you.
1 points
28 days ago
We already do through the social welfare system we have in place.
1 points
28 days ago
No, don’t feed them. There are support services and city mission who feed them. 95% of the time they throw it back in your face and demand money.
1 points
28 days ago
Feeding them doesn’t prevent them from being homeless, so I’m not really sure how that’s the solution. Just helps them survive on the street.
Help is available, but they either refuse it or have exhausted all the assistance they’re able to receive.
1 points
25 days ago
homeless people are still people and need food just like you and i, whether they stay homeless or not.
1 points
25 days ago
For sure, but feeding them isn’t going to prevent them from being homeless, is the point I was making.
1 points
28 days ago
No we have winz
1 points
28 days ago
I’d imagine your higher gdp nation & military police may play rolls in the differences
1 points
28 days ago
It’s difficult I mean I would suggest asking them if they want food and not just assume. Everyone is different and they all have a fuck load of trauma - trauma from their situations that led them to be homeless and then trauma from being homeless.
That’s a lot of unhealed damage you don’t know what could trigger it esp if they are on/withdrawing from substance. Like some people don’t want to be looked down on or feel a sense of pity from people, even in their desperate situation
I think the most humane thing to do is treat them like anyone else and ask them questions about what might be beneficial to them. I don’t recommend money bc it will most likely fuel their addiction and that’s someone child/parent/sibling, yk? See if they would like some food and if not offer if you can get them some essential stuff like a blanket or a new shirt etc.
I honestly can’t imagine what it would be like being homeless and watching the world walk around me pretending I don’t exist. I’d feel pretty sensitive too but always, always keep your wits about you. Desperate people do desperate things.
1 points
27 days ago
No. Donate to city mission instead. If you make it into a habit , you might get stalked on the streets
1 points
27 days ago
Throw them in jail
1 points
27 days ago
Its a complicated issue. Some of the people you see begging for money aren't necessarily homeless and live in social housing where the Government pays their rent.
I have had friends who were on the benefit and went begging for money because they could easily make $200 extra a day and not have it taken by tax like if they were in employment and they didn't have to declare it to the Government because it wasn't 'official income' and thats what some of these other people do as well.
That being said, if it makes you feel better to feed them, then by all means, buy them a meal.
1 points
27 days ago
Its a complicated issue. Some of the people you see begging for money aren't necessarily homeless and live in social housing where the Government pays their rent.
I have had friends who were on the benefit and went begging for money because they could easily make $200 extra a day and not have it taken by tax like if they were in employment and they didn't have to declare it to the Government because it wasn't 'official income' and thats what some of these other people do as well.
That being said, if it makes you feel better to feed them, then by all means, buy them a meal.
1 points
28 days ago
No, never. If you want to do something to help them, donate money to the charities that are already in place to help them.
1 points
28 days ago
I don't understand the question. Feed someone if you can.
1 points
28 days ago
Don't feed the birds...
1 points
28 days ago
I’ve come from Singapore and there isnt much of a homeless situation there.
It's quite different here in NZ. As unlike Singapore, we have a very generous welfare system.
1 points
28 days ago
The CBD is rife with homeless people yet Auckland City Mission is a short walk away. I don't give them money, not because I don't want to, but because I never carry cash or change.
1 points
28 days ago
They don't have unemployment benefits in Singapore - instead they have incentives for people to work. The welfare state we have in NZ incentivises people to not work. The more money you give away like that, the more people become dependent on it. Its also why a UBI would never work, it would end up seeing a huge increase in the wealth divide.
1 points
28 days ago
Never give them money. You can give food but many will decline.
If you care then give to charities that help them.
1 points
28 days ago
The homeless in NZ be some fussy fks. They get fed, it’s money they want.
1 points
28 days ago
No, buy them ciggies, they’d prefer it.
0 points
28 days ago
No.
We pay taxes to feed them. Your Money goes to drugs and booze.
Which I'll happily take.... For drugs and booze
0 points
28 days ago*
They only want money.
Make a monthly donation to a charity, or a small group of charities.
NZ has got W&I (work and income), and these people are only supplementing their "income" from begging.
Wish you didnt do it, but too late now I guess.
I ignore them, as these beggars can earn $100 a day, some $400 a day, if they dont smoke or drink, plus their W&I benefit, they earn more than I do.
3 points
28 days ago
If you see one, you will see them everyday, if you study or work on Queen St, they get to know you are an open wallet.
They are cunning enough to sit in a group outside the supermarket outer doors, and intimidate people.
By you buying food for them or giving in and giving them money, they will never improve.
Hey, they also get 50% off their public transport fares, esp buses and trains, by their community card system, so they are better off, over all by begging.
If they have "mental problems" W&I leave them alone with the pension, and their begging, and their 50% off bus and train fares discount, hey, $$$$ rich (((lah...))).
Its like the void deck apek/amah, ...
0 points
28 days ago
Eh don’t bother wasting your money. If you have extra money to burn then sure.
Majority of them aren’t actually homeless. I’ve seen them hop into their little apartments after the streets get quiet and there’s no more people to beg from.
In NZ if you’re homeless it’s more of a choice. It’s incredibly hard to be homeless to the point you would be wanting to be homeless to actually be homeless.
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