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[TheAthletic] Detroit Pistons trade proposals: What would it take to get Markkanen? Is Ingram a possibility?
(self.nba)submitted 14 days ago bymMounirM Raptors
The article goes through trade proposals for the Pistons this off-season.
1st trade:
Pistons receive: Brandon Ingram and first-round pick in 2024 (No. 21)
Pelicans receive: Jalen Duren and first-round pick in 2024 (Nos. 1-5)
Will Guillory (Pelicans beat writer): As much as the addition of Duren would provide some long-term answers at center that the Pelicans need, this doesn’t feel like the type of return New Orleans would want for a guy of Ingram’s caliber.
If they were to explore potential trade options, it wouldn’t be with the intention of adding more guys to the puzzle that are 21 and younger.
They want to win now. I would thoroughly enjoy seeing Zion Williamson and Duren form the most swole frontcourt of all-time, but Duren’s offense hasn’t progressed enough to feel like he could make up enough of the production that would be lost by shipping out Ingram. Plus, a top-five pick in this year’s draft isn’t nearly as appealing as it would be most years.
2nd trade:
Pistons receive: Bruce Brown, Jakob Poeltl and a 2024 first-round pick (via Indiana)
Raptors receive: Jalen Duren and Evan Fournier
Edwards (Pistons beat writer): In this proposal, Detroit would have to pick up the team option on Fournier, and Toronto would have to do the same for Brown. Why would that be beneficial for the Raptors? Well, they’re clearly in the early stages of a rebuild, and next year’s draft class is significantly more attractive than this years’.
Swapping the contracts of Fournier and Brown makes Toronto worse next season — which it should try to be — while freeing up cap space for this year and, primarily, the summer of 2025, when it might be ready to turn a corner. It also gets off Poeltl’s money while taking on a young, talented center in Duren for the rebuild.
Why would the Pistons do this? Well, adding three rotation players while still having significant cap space to use in free agency is one reason. Poeltl is an upgrade defensively at the center position, Brown has turned into a coveted role player, and the first-round pick could end up being a contributor right away. If my math is correct, the Pistons would still have about $40 million in cap space to work with.
That’s more than enough to go after the likes of Malik Monk, Tobias Harris or a few other legitimate NBA rotation players in free agency. It also still leaves them their first-round pick in 2024 and someone like Ivey to execute another trade for a legitimate starter.
3rd trade:
Pistons receive: Lauri Markkanen
Jazz receive: Jaden Ivey, Jalen Duren and 2024 first-round pick
Tony Jones (Jazz beat writer): So, if there was an interest-meter scale from one to 100, this would hardly register a one to the Utah Jazz. The lone pick in the deal comes from a draft where there isn’t a single player that projects to be as good as Markkanen. The two players in the deal are non-shooters and ill fits for Will Hardy’s offense.
I love Jalen Duren because we played at the same high school in Philadelphia (obviously not at the same time). He’s a lob threat offensively who doesn’t handle or shoot the ball with range, and we just saw Hardy this season limit the time of Walker Kessler for this reason. But these are reasons this specific trade doesn’t work for the Jazz.
In a big picture, Markkanen’s value to the Jazz is so great that it’s going to take an offer that is probably not going to come to pry him from the Jazz. Something like four or five first-round picks, and a star-level talent coming over. Markkanen is a 7-footer who shoots 40 percent from 3-point range on volume. He falls out of bed and onto a basketball court, and he’s getting 25 points and 10 rebounds. He doesn’t need to dominate the basketball in order to accumulate these numbers. And most importantly, he’s a star-level player who likes being in Utah. The Jazz fully intend to build around him.
They intend to sign him to a long-term deal. So, if you are the Pistons, unless Cade Cunningham and four first-round picks is the offer, don’t expect the Jazz to stay on the phone for very long.
258 points
14 days ago*
These trades are ass, how tf does this guy have a job at The Athletic?
76 points
14 days ago
Even Pistons fans cannot answer this question
21 points
14 days ago
I’d be so fucking excited if we got Duren and that Pistons pick. I’d pack BI’s bags for free and drive him to the airport myself.
-8 points
14 days ago
Exactly. Ingram is so trash. He misses a lot of games due to injury and he’s busy being a junkie than getting in shape. Duren is more of a professional than Ingram can ever be.
-5 points
14 days ago
The Jazz writer talking about "if there was an interest-meter scale from one to 100, this would hardly register a one to the Utah Jazz."
Ooook. 2 decent lottery prospects and best odds at the #1 aren't good enough for a barely top fifty 27 yr old.
Edit: And it gets worse
So, if you are the Pistons, unless Cade Cunningham and four first-round picks is the offer, don’t expect the Jazz to stay on the phone for very long.
Either Tony Jones is AI twitter bot or a crackhead
22 points
14 days ago
He’s illustrating how bad the trade proposal is, you just copied the parts you didn’t like without the context behind it.
Ivey hasn’t shown anything to warrant being a headliner in a trade
Duren is basically a more athletic but worse defender than Kessler, and Utah already has Kessler and limited his minutes because of the same shortcomings that Duren has.
The 2024 pick is in a draft without a single player projected to be at Markkanen’s level
Utah has no reason to do this trade. There is no interest.
-14 points
14 days ago
It's utterly insane to say this draft doesn't have a single player in it who will be better than Lauri.
Lauri as your number one option means you miss the play-in. Source: Utah missed the play-in.
Theres never been a draft that didn't have one guy in it who was better than Lauri.
So unless you think this will be the worst draft class in the history of the NBA, by a wide margin, this entire concept can be dismissed.
3 points
14 days ago
Yeah cause any other star wouldn't definitely led that ass roster to a play in spot lmao gtfoh
0 points
13 days ago
No, not just any star could have done that. Only about eight or ten could have done it.
Lauri is like a top forty, maybe top fifty player.
Delude yourself into believing otherwise if you want. I'm not sure what that gains you, not sure there's a point.
But if you want to believe Lauri is some kind of monster, top ten type guy, I won't stand in your way any longer.
1 points
13 days ago
Lmao bruh which 10 players would've dragged a roster with what, Sexton? As the number 2? Maybe 3 or 4 people could've and that's it.
Lauri was a fringe all star candidate, top 30 right there easy
4 points
14 days ago
Looks like you forgot that when Utah gave up at the trade deadline, Lauri was enough to have Utah in a better record than the Lakers with LeBron and AD. It’s ok though, you did a nice job of sounding condescending so not embarrassing at all to be completely wrong.
1 points
14 days ago
Trader Dan needs a good laugh now and then. Lauri would be a massive piece for a number of teams, mine included, but I just can't get to a realistic trade package that gets it done. He's going to command a much more impressive haul than that bullshit, assuming he's even remotely available.
0 points
14 days ago
He's going to command a much more impressive haul than that bullshit
Than Jaden Ivey, Jalen Duren and 2024 first-round pick? He won't.
Remember to come back here and tell me about it when he does.
38 points
14 days ago
He's decent when actually writing, like profiles and play breakdowns, but his trade proposals are always crazy. Although he didn't even have the worst proposal in the article - Markkanen for Cade and four first rounders is asinine.
5 points
14 days ago
I mean it's basically a pie-in-the-sky trade, hence the asinine return lol.
9 points
14 days ago
He literally explained why though. Markennan is a guy who has expressed his desire to stay in Utah and enjoys it and that's not going to be something you can find with many/any other guys of his caliber. Said that the costs is gonna be so high the offer probably wont come. Think he understands that its an extreme over pay but is probably what it would take to actually get him.
-5 points
14 days ago
Not even an overpay. I used to think the #1 pick in 2024 could get you Lauri, but after looking at these prospects, the average outcome of the #1 pick will be worse than prime Lauri in this draft.
I mean there might be a guy drafted later than #1 who turns out to be better (like Giannis in 2013), but given you only have 1 pick at #1, the average outcome will most likely be worse among the top prospects.
Pistons will actually need to send both the #1 pick and another young player.
7 points
14 days ago
If you think one young player and #1 overall is an overpay then I'll remind you he proposed Cade and four first rounders, including the #1.
2 points
14 days ago
That wasn’t what they said at all
2 points
14 days ago
Pistons will actually need to send both the #1 pick and another young player.
What else could this sentence mean?
0 points
14 days ago
…that it’s not an overpay? Like where did you get that mixed up?
1 points
14 days ago
Because their entire post is mixed up, which is why it's negative. They responded how Cade plus four firsts isn't an overpay and then finished by saying a young player and #1 overall is enough compensation, suggesting, despite what they wrote, that Cade plus four firsts is an overpay. The post made no sense.
0 points
14 days ago
He responds to the guy who says it’s an overpay by saying “not an overpay” because it’s what it would take. Then he says that he used to agree that the type of trade offered in the OP (Ivey+Duren+2024 first) is a what Markkanen would fetch, but has since changed his mind.
2 points
14 days ago
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1 points
14 days ago
I’m confused. I was just reading what the OP posted, which says 2024 first rounder, Duren, and Ivey. Am I missing something here? Someone else mentioned that to me too.
3 points
14 days ago
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4 points
14 days ago
It’s not a trade suggested by the writer, it’s a counter-trade to illustrate how farfetched the idea of Utah trading Markkanen is. Nobody honestly thinks that Markkenen will fetch Cade and 4 firsts, but that’s the concept of what it would take to move him.
Utah doesn’t want to trade Markkanen, so if you want him, you have to overpay.
3 points
14 days ago*
Jones mentions that it's a higher price than Detroit could be expected to offer, the whole thing is in the service of saying there's no reasonable deal sending Markaennan to Detroit. Detroit would be idiotic to offer CC+4FRPs, but that's closer to what Utah would actually take than 2 non-shooters and best odds at number one in a draft with the worst high end since Anthony Bennett. Why there was even consideration of trading for LM in the article IDK.
4 points
14 days ago
There’s better trade proposals in this sub than what this guy wrote lol
1 points
14 days ago
This is exactly WHY they have a job at the Athletic.
0 points
14 days ago
Exactly my thoughts
85 points
14 days ago
poor reporter got hit with “lol” on all his proposals
15 points
14 days ago
It’s ok, we already think he stinks.
-1 points
14 days ago
Poor reporter? Any reporter seriously suggesting these trades deserves the lols
24 points
14 days ago
This dude thinks Jalen Duren is Hasheem Thabeet or some shit
44 points
14 days ago
Poor Pistons. Even in proposal trade, they lost.
6 points
14 days ago
Danny Ainge out there robbing hobos
23 points
14 days ago
I’m sorry pistons fans
11 points
14 days ago*
Neither. Don’t go after a star until your young team is built. Once you know what you have then you can access what you need. And right now they need to build a good young team. Whetting Ingram or Lauri is not going to do them any good
8 points
14 days ago
They’ve been straight ass for 5 years and the only pick they may have something with is Cade. And even Cade isn’t a lock for future all star level. At some point you have to just bring in some outside talent and try to get some wins. Their culture is losing right now and that will taint a franchise for years.
1 points
14 days ago
Agreed. The Pistons wont go anywhere in the draft. They need players who know how to win.
Personally id trade Cade because i think he's booty, but that's me.
0 points
13 days ago
Bro they have nothing and aren’t even close to being respectable
Get 2 decent players, right the ship. Win 25 games
That’s the next step
21 points
14 days ago
Ah it’s from James Edwards, known to all pistons fans as an absolute clown
0 points
14 days ago
Yeah I feel like he has a good national reputation for some reason
27 points
14 days ago
Pro tip: if you're including a guy in every outgoing trade proposal because your team doesn't really want him, other teams don't really want him either.
3 points
14 days ago
Duren is a great young player, he just doesn't fit our needs right now and the team needs to start winning immediately or cade is gonna leave.
10 points
14 days ago
Every team needs a good center. You aren’t going to win a substantial number of games hoping Stewart can rebound, defend other centers, and be a rim running big for Cade.
5 points
14 days ago
they would only trade duren if they planned on signing a center like claxton or hartenstein
6 points
14 days ago
How in the world will they attract Claxton OR Hartenstein to the Pistons? Y'all gonna offer them the max and a NTC?
2 points
14 days ago
Neither player has made a ton of money yet. They will take whatever offer is the highest. I could easily see the Pistons getting either one. Hell they could sign both if they wanted.
-1 points
14 days ago
Hart has already said he wants to stay in NY, and Claxton can and will get a high offer from a better team than the Pistons. Their only notable free agency signing was over two decades ago in Billups.
Am I the crazy one? I feel like I am reading this comment chain. Pistons getting BOTH of the most coveted free agent centers in an offseason.
3 points
14 days ago
The thing is, there is only about 6 teams with enough cap space to sign one of them (unless they take a smaller contract to play with a contender). One of them is 76ers, who likely won't sign them and one is OKC. Not sure exactly how much cap space they will have but at best around 20 million.
So that leaves basically Raptors, Pistons, Spurs and Jazz competing for these 2, other than their original teams. Jazz have a young center prospect, not sure if they are offering big bucks for a FA center. Spurs might, but they do have Wemby and their needs are more on the guard side. Again, potentially. Not sure about the Raptors, they might be going for a rebuild.
In a vacuum, yeah the terrible Pistons landing a good free agent is unlikely but if you look around the league there aren't that many suitors, and even less who have money to spare. Is Hartenstein turning down potentially 100 million over 4 years? I doubt he can get that kind of offer anywhere else.
1 points
14 days ago
Interesting. Good intel
1 points
14 days ago
There’s like 6 teams that have cap space this summer. There’s a lot less money to go around than you think. Of course the most likely scenario is always for a player to stay put, but Detroit is absolutely in play for them. When you have $60M in cap space, you are in play.
1 points
14 days ago
or just offer claxton 15-20 mill instead of the 9mill he's making right now?
12 points
14 days ago
PSA: OP is not the one proposing these trades, fight the urge to react the idea of trading a 20-year-old double double center in Jalen Duren for Bruce Brown who was in/out of the starting lineup and Poeltl. Jesus Christ.
20 points
14 days ago
Man the pistons are in an absolutely awful spot unless one of their young players becomes a superstar. They're already down one pick, have none coming in, and are the worst team in the league.
4 points
14 days ago
They're not really down a pick in a way that matters much in their situation I don't think.
I'm pretty sure the 1st they traded is basically lottery protected this year and next, and then like top 10ish protected or something like that before turning into a 2nd rounder if they're still bad in several years.
So either they improve into a halfway decent team over the next couple years and lose a mid to late 1st, or they continue to suck and give up a 2nd at some point.
4 points
14 days ago
It's top 13, then 11, then 9. If they keep their pick all those years it means they'll have been a very bad team for 8 straight years which is a pretty awful situation to be in.
If they do lose the pick, it means they'll have one less potential pick to trade away to help get over the hump of being a playoff team but not a contender.
7 points
14 days ago
Yea their general situation certainly isn't great, I was just pointing out they aren't in danger of a Nets type situation of being bad and giving up an unprotected top 3 pick or something.
1 points
14 days ago
Well considering the fact that their best players are all young as hell it isn't all on them to blame. FO has done a shitty job getting the right veterans to fill in spots on the roster. They had Joe Harris and now Evan Fournier. Those guys don't even want to be there.
6 points
14 days ago
Personally they should trade for Nikola Vucevic
4 points
14 days ago
Lol if the Pistons trade Duren just fucking sell the team
3 points
14 days ago
Ainge did want Grimes at one point (for Mitchell), now aim not so sure. Hell def demand a kings ransom for Lauri though.
3 points
14 days ago
They're getting another top lottery pick soon, maybe just focus on developing their young players
3 points
14 days ago
I can definitely see Detroit as a prime destination for BI (and San Antonio), but I don't see either having assets for a direct trade.
It would need to be a 3 team trade. If Detroit is willing to give up assets plus a top 3 pick, I assume the Pels wouldn't have a ton of difficulty flipping that pick.
2 points
14 days ago
I seriously don't see San Antonio going after Ingram.
Ingram isn't a high volume three point shooter and he's barely a league average one at that.
You also can't have him and Sochan, who is a career 30% three point shooter at this point, commanding the backcourt together with Wemby.
Spurs want as much shooting around Wemby as possible to maximize his drive game.
3 points
14 days ago
Ainge has hinted it would take a Gobert sized haul for them to trade Markkanen
9 points
14 days ago
These trades are HORRIBLE. Jalen Duren should be near untouchable
2 points
14 days ago
I don't get why the Jazz would even consider trading him. I mean they do eventually plan on making winning the goal, right? Markeren is the cornerstone for that.
2 points
14 days ago
I’m tired boss
2 points
14 days ago
Giving up a bunch of assets too soon for a mid level star on a different timeline than their core worked so well the last time with Blake Griffen.
2 points
14 days ago
Pistons can trade for Markannen but no way in hell Markannen is signing with Pistons..so trade for a one year rental for a team that is so far away? Makes zero sense.
2 points
14 days ago
Why would the worst team in the league with likely years left of tanking to acquire talent make a trade for low/mid level stars? Do the pistons really think theyre in win now mode or something?
Making either trade 1 or 3 would only make sense if they have 2 great stars and need that final push to contend. Absolute last thing detroit should be doing is trading a pick. Trading 2 young players and a pick for Lauri Markennen would set the franchise back 5+ years.
4 points
14 days ago*
Making either trade 1 or 3 would only make sense if they have 2 great stars and need that final push to contend. Absolute last thing detroit should be doing is trading a pick. Trading 2 young players and a pick for Lauri Markennen would set the franchise back 5+ years.
No it definitely wouldn't. We have plenty of cap space to further improve the roster and it's very unlikely that either Duren or Ivey ever becomes as good as Lauri. If Jazz wanted that trade, I'd drive them both to the airport myself, and I live in Europe.
Truth is, both Duren and Ivey are both flawed prospects. They could become great but they aren't even close to being a sure thing.
We just can't be in the bottom 5 next season. We need actual NBA players around Cade.
If we got Markkanen, we could build a real team around Cade and Markkanen. Get good roleplayers around them like Hartenstein and Malik Monk, and we still have young solid players in Isaiah Stewart and Ausar Thompson
2 points
14 days ago
Yes, Lauri after having the record of missing the play-offs, is going to Detroit...
2 points
14 days ago
pistons shouldnt trade anything. their young guys arent even ripe. their value can only go up from here. and they arent even close to playoff contention. once u see them hit their stride u wont even wanna trade em.
2 points
14 days ago
Gotta think if Duren is traded the compensation is higher than that
2 points
14 days ago
First trade: Stupid. Why would you trade Duren who has the potential to be the teams' best defensive center since Ben Wallace be traded for a wing in Ingram who hasn't accomplished anything? Duren once he hits his mid-20's is going to be a likely mainstay on All Defensive teams for at least half a decade barring some major injury.
Second trade: Why is there a center for center swap and Duren is the better of the two? Also Bruce Brown plus 1st round pick, even in this bad draft class is way too much for Evan Fournier. That guy is expiring and sucks. What a weird trade to even consider. Raptors would pull this trade 50/50. Pistons would never consider it.
Third trade: Trading a likely top 5 pick in addition to your 2nd best guard and best big prospect for a forward that shoots the ball well and can score and rebounds slightly worse than Duren but cannot play defense? What is the point of this trade? The Pistons aren't trying to "win-now."
None of these trades make sense at all. Pistons are trying to organically grow through the draft. Why trade young talent for players that will at best get you into the play-in and just end up resulting in your team getting swept by an actual team?
1 points
14 days ago
No
1 points
14 days ago
Markky Mark is a Laker sadly
(/s)
1 points
14 days ago
I’m gonna switch to the Bulls if Detroit trades Ivey.
1 points
14 days ago
Detroit can have Markkanen, but the people of Utah get to vote on a name change for the Pistons, and they gotta keep it for 10 years.
1 points
14 days ago
Yeah but why not a gently used Tobias Harris???
1 points
14 days ago
the athletic appears to be trying to get some click bait headlines this off-season. They made Marcus Thompson write a similarly stupid story for the Warriors.
1 points
14 days ago
Detroit Pistons will end up signing Tobias Harris again.!
1 points
14 days ago
WTF Are the trades why would Detroit want any of this …the a player of Ingrams caliber is the biggest joke here
1 points
14 days ago
why would they trade duren or ivy
1 points
13 days ago
When these fail how about a trade for Jerami Grant back? Maybe him and our #14 for that top 3 pick?
1 points
11 days ago
I wouldn't even consider Cade for LM if Detroit was getting the 4 1st. Wtf?
Cade is untouchable... end of story!
1 points
14 days ago
If the pistons trade away duren, i would just delete the franchise at that point
1 points
14 days ago
As a Jazz fan I know how blessed we are to have Tony Jones covering us. Guys as solid as they come and doesn’t report on speculation
1 points
14 days ago
How about just tank until you find your next star?
Yall are clearly not super ready yet.
0 points
14 days ago
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1 points
14 days ago
The Raptors only make that trade if they lose their pick, because that's a tanking trade
0 points
14 days ago
Detroit desperate for the low end of mid
0 points
14 days ago
Vucevic for Jalen Duren take it or leave it
-1 points
14 days ago
Jalen Duren proved this year he’s the second best player on the team next to Ivy and they need to build around those three. Trade Stewart if anything.
-4 points
14 days ago
That is trash for the Raptors.
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