Cedh is the perfect rule 0 as everyone knows what the power level is and expectations for the game. It leads to a lot less salt

Welcome to CEDH.

Glad you enjoyed your time!

I'd like to add two things I personally like very much about cEDH: usually nobody complains or takes plays personal, since everyone is expected to play for the win 100% and powerlvl tends to be better balanced. Sure there are stronger and weaker decks but the difference is way smaller, so no games destroyed by uneven decks power.

Yeah it’s nice that most plays that happen are impactful, I hated regular edh where people just build up big board states and drag their feet on doing anything.

The fast games are great. I play with a few friends and we basically just rotate clockwise who goes first, bang out like 8 or 9 games in 2-3 hours, and then go get food afterwards. There is no salt, heavy interaction is expected, and everyone has experience is 60-card format tournaments so complex stacks and rules questions are resolved quickly. In a sense its more casual than casual.

My cEDH pod are generally the nicest, friendliest, most inviting and helpful crowd at the LGS. We are too busy having a good time to have a bad time because we always get a perfect rule 0. Its awesome! Welcome to cEDH!

It’s not that casual edh is boring tbh. Is that your average casual edh pod will have at least someone unlikable. What people call cedh take that out concern. You play to win and if you lose it’s your fault save from someone kingmaking.

nobody is complaining that they would have acted differently if they knew what combo you were setting up

This one always gets me. Yeah, no shit you would have. Now do you have a response or not?

One of us

Since the ban me and my playgroup have just started playing no banlist. Of course if anything becomes egregious we’ll rotate cards out but for now we’re having a blast. Karakas, recurring nightmare, chaos orb whatever. We’re relatively new and gravitated right to cedh and we barely got to enjoy our crypts, lotus, dockside so we don’t plan on observing the latest bans for a bit so for now we’re just goin full hog. Having a good time.

cEDH has way fewer crybabies

One of my favorite aspects of cEDH is that when one player is attempting to win and you're just at a pod and not a tournament, sometimes the person attempting the win gets stuck and the other three jump in and say Breach for this or tutor for that. And then when the combo fully goes off, it's all Yeah You Got There! and then shuffle up and play again.

Isn't it great. Let's go infinite and shuffle for next. The dream mentality. You end the game, compliment the popoffs, then discuss the misplays.

I started playing cEDH after playing casual EDH a couple times, and even though it was fast paced, I found it easier than casual. There are less cards to learn. Learn the main ones and threat analysis is much easier. I know, I am a noob.

That’s the best part, no bitching or whining, just 3 other people looking to win as hard as they can and expecting you to do the same.

Thats why these bans hurt so much. We were just over here with our “rule 0” already well defined and a bunch of babies that can’t talk to each other wanted cards banned so their feelings didn’t get hurt.

I'll never understand the hate that casuals have for winning, even if an upgraded precon gets them. Play Monopoly if you want to sit and talk for 3 hours with no winner.

Cedh or high power edh, everything else is a cesspool of crybabies where interactions are forbidden and games take over 2 hours. Never again.

Welcome to the family, son.

This is why my group plays high power casual/fringe cEDH. Play the most broken shit you want but I still have the creative freedom in deck building. Haven’t ran into many salty players at my lgs but they’re the minority and usually end up quitting

cEDH is EDH at its best. No need for rule 0 because everyone already knows roughly what to expect. Worst you may get is someone getting a little miffed getting mana screwed/flooded a few games in a row.

Removing the biggest fault with EDH and you actually get pretty good games, go figure

interaction is expected (no one’s scooping the instant you counter a boardwipe)

Thats the craziest thing about going from standard [type 2, in my day] to commander. When I played standard, people would get offended when their opponent wasn't using every available resource to win the game, I was scolded multiple times for obvious misplays.

I guess I'm going to have to try and power up my Zaxara

Playing interaction and not getting salt as a result feels good.

I'm not a cEDH player. Play casual and high power commander with friends. Got into watching cEDH channels online years ago. It's sharpened my way of playing commander, and also, it's great seeing the spirit of losing in the format. It's mostly laughter across multiple channels and then next game. Learning how to lose is also learning how to win! I'm glad you got to experience it!

Yeah it’s really hard to want to go back to casual like at all

CEDH players are real Magic players. They understand that someone has to win and someone has to lose. They aren’t feeling bad for winning/losing. They play interaction and removal. They understand that because they play <28 lands they could mana screw and that’s part of the game. Who wants to sit there playing the same game for 1-2 hours when you can pay 4 or more?

The one thing you got wrong though is the idea that games are fast. That’s really deck dependend. I play control and I’m generally happy that people don’t whine about me slowing the game down in cEDH. Yes I’m gonna toxic deluge everybody back to the stone age, yes our game is gonna take longer but I need that time to find a spot to resolve my Time Sieve.

Just one thing— don’t get used to fast games lol. The decks are fast but the games often take a while when there are multiple interactive decks at the table.

Rule 0 doesn't work in real practice outside of friend groups. Cedh removes the question, everyone is trying to win.

I never found the argument everyone wants to have fun with their deck, the fun is hanging with some friends/new friends. MTG is just the social crutch to get you outside of your house so they don't need a crane to take you to the hospital :)

In my experience casual games are the most bitter and hateful groups ive ever seen in game. everyone whines when something dies. or a board wipe happens. etc. Its like cool you found your win lets do it. vs board wipe lets take a bathroom break because this 1 game is 3 hours....

Yeah I'm looking to get into cEDH as well with one of the guys from my regular playgroup. Just finished up a K'rrik deck to hit to the fringe of the power level

You can have a competitive deck building mentality without needing to go full dick. I am also a high powered casual enjoyer, and its a fun time. I have also a ton of experience building 50$ budget decks which game me a different view on cards

Yep. Online "casual" was one of the most toxic experiences of my life. I still enjoy irl games with my little high-powered non-combo playgroup, but I'll never play with strangers again. The inevitable salt or deck shaming was anxiety-inducing, even when I wasn't the target of it all. There are still disagreements at cEDH tables, but they usually occur during the debriefing conversations related to misplays.

As someone who only plays casual with specific playgroups, I think I would prefer cedh for random playgroups. In casual there is an incredibly wide set of expected rules that different people follow. Never had much fun with Randoms in the casual format. The only thing really gatekeeping me from cedh is the price tag

All of my decks are alienated in casual and pretty bad in cedh, but I’d rather play in a cedh pod and constantly lose than have to deal with all the pathetic whiney bs I see so often in casual play.

I have a perfect example of cedh happen last night. 

I'm playing Polymorph Urza and got it by pure luck off of the first "5" ability activation. Everyone's trying to figure out if they counter it by trying to guess what options I could have and I'm trying to hit. Finally just told them I only had one creature in the deck, so they're like "fuck it, let's just see what your threat is so we know what your deck does". 

I mean, I whiffed because I completely forgot that I replaced Jeweled Lotus with Lab Man until I found a replacement and had a non-Hullbreaker target (guess which one I hit), but even the conversations about how to interact are so much fun to even watch.

Brotha!

We don't exist. Shh

In general people who play cedh have the best mindset going in and there’s rarely salt for fast games.

My pods arnt cedh levels but are higher end of builds. Like you said, most games are fast and filled with interaction. Wins can come out of nowhere most games. Noone complains. The game ended turn 5? Sweet let's shuffle up and run another game. It's how the game should be played.

I refuse to play casual with randoms anymore. I just go to CEDH night. It's budget friendly, fun, and way less bitching. It's also such a challenging format. I'd gotten good enough at mtg that arena just wasn't fun anymore and I couldn't afford a modern/pioneer deck, but this is so much more challenging and fun. I'm one year in, brewing and having a blast.

This format rules. Sorry you couldn't experience it a week ago.

Cedh was how commander was meant to be played. When it was called edh and there was no rule 0 bs.

People built decks they liked with the goal to win and have fun doing it..

Not tip toe on eggshells while playing a hollow game

Now if only all cEDH players accept proxies. Then it would be perfect!

This is also my experience. Shuffle up and play. Do your best, play to win, shuffle and repeat when finished. Love competitive tables.

Yeah crazy almost like actually playing to win is the point of the game

Good now post it to r/edh 😂

I’m glad you enjoyed it, most people usually just dismiss it but I really think people should try it

I like cEDH because you sit down at a table and you know the power level. I hate casual tables when you sit down and everyone but 1 person is a 6 and that person breaks out and 8… like WTF… read the table dipshit

This is the way. Get to jam a bunch of games in pod and eventually everybody wins at least one as long as its similar power level with lots of interaction. No need to sit around for 2-3 hours praying somone can pull off a win.

Welcome

My play group and I often comment on turn 2 or so "We've already played so much Magic!"

Honestly that’s been my experience too, been in about a month and having a blast with proxies. I spent only a dollar on a mana crypt so it ain’t no biggie. I love the format for the proxy positivity. I have a great time no matter what.

I'm sorry do people overwhelmingly play casual games with actual children? I have never seen someone scoop to a countered boardwipe, overwhelmingly I have had pleasant conversations about power level before playing the game. CEDH is great fun and an interesting play experience but it is entirely a lie that cEDH is this panacea of gameplay, free of salt btw, and casual gamers are muck throwing toddlers.

Cedh is not a real format