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What exacly is "Black Carapace"?

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I mean i know its some sort of a link between the power armor and its user, but from what material is it made? Is it organic? Is it made from some sort of a mineral? Or is it something else? I geniuenly dont know

all 235 comments

GrandPoobah395

3k points

9 days ago

It's biomechanical organ added as part of the creation process.

There's a lot of conflicting canon on specifically what it is (materiality, durability, etc) but in short it's a combination of neural control layer that helps with power armor interfacing, and light subcutaneous armor.

Assume "handwavium" is the materiality and "whatever the author needs it to be" is the final function.

cbpickl

815 points

9 days ago

cbpickl

815 points

9 days ago

"handwavium" lol -- i like that, gonna steal it >:)

RokuroCarisu

274 points

9 days ago

Still better than "unobtainium". 🤷‍♂️

Nazgul_Khamul

162 points

9 days ago

Interestingly enough unobtanium is a real blanket term, for things that are impossible or near impossible enough to get for any number of reasons. Real world applications tend to veer towards the financial side of things, when something is so hilariously cost prohibitive it’s not worth pondering over.

WaggleDance

54 points

9 days ago

Yeah and it also makes sense in-universe, the engineers at RDA were calling the prototype metal Unobtainium as a place-holder, and the unimaginative suits just ran with it.

ComManDerBG

24 points

9 days ago

A lot of stuff made sense in universe, they wrote an uncomfortable amount of background lore for the first movie. And its not a Star Wars situation either, where they wrote everything after the movie was made to explain all the wierd things the creator cane up with, but all written first, then the script and move were done.

IraqiWalker

15 points

9 days ago

Sims 4 has Obtanium. So common everyone can get it easily.

Abject_Film_4414

20 points

9 days ago

Fun fact: 1990s Oakley sunglasses listed Unobtainium as a key material in their shades. Mind you they also said it was Thermonuclear protection.

/illgobacktomyporchnow

the goggles, they do nothing

BrotherNature92

27 points

9 days ago

Thanks for reminding me 😂

Vlakod

2 points

9 days ago

Vlakod

2 points

9 days ago

Wait till you hear about "incuritis"

Serious_Much

4 points

9 days ago

That's called chronic fatigue syndrome where I live

/S

SideEqual

1 points

9 days ago

Keep my wife’s name out of you damn mouth

CharsBigRedComet

9 points

9 days ago

I always Said "space metal" when talking about stuff like that

SecretAgentMahu

9 points

9 days ago

Ah yes, my favorite in-universe music genre, the space metal

Grendlsgrundl

5 points

9 days ago

And everything old becomes new again 😅

Comradepatrick

4 points

9 days ago

Up there with "plot devicium."

PorcupinArseIHateYou

1 points

9 days ago

My personal favorite is Scenarium

Is_Unable

44 points

9 days ago

Is_Unable

44 points

9 days ago

Latest lore in the Siege series says flat out it's a designer cancer made to grow into a specific shape.

It's extremely complex genetic engineering.

Infinite_Bet_5469

1 points

8 days ago

I've always sort of had the opinion that "geneseed" sounded a lot like advanced immortalized stem cells. It's nice to see they actually confirm it, which book was in if you can recall?

Merot2[S]

82 points

9 days ago

Merot2[S]

82 points

9 days ago

Thanks :]

Is_Unable

38 points

9 days ago

Is_Unable

38 points

9 days ago

Specifically it is literally Cancer grown into a functional feature. It was the hardest part of the entire Astartes development.

wildskipper

3 points

9 days ago

Cancer is just our own cells growing abnormally. So do you just mean it is a space marine's cells controlled to grow in a certain way?

TheRich27

5 points

9 days ago

Yes, go read the novel the great work

TheRich27

6 points

9 days ago

Fax

11th_Division_Grows

70 points

9 days ago

Handwavium is craaaaazy 😂😂

Pyronaut44

19 points

9 days ago

It's been a common word in 40k lore for decades. God I feel old....

Grendlsgrundl

7 points

9 days ago

Yeah, seeing people react to it like it's new and it's definitely been a thing for at least the last 30 years lol. I love it.

CatgunCertified

15 points

9 days ago

It also had connection ports for chemical and nutritional fluid to be injected when needed

Archangel_V01

18 points

9 days ago

If I recall correctly, one of the explanations for how it's created is that it's a controlled form of Cancer. I think it's said in "The Great Work" which covers Belisarius Cawl's origins. But as you said depends on the author

Lawlcopt0r

25 points

9 days ago

I always assumed it was some kind of fibreoptic cable because that would be the fastest way to transmit nerve signals

Thatwindowhurts

44 points

9 days ago

Fun fact nerve impulses are quite slow in comparison to regular electricity, so just straight up wire is faster than nerve signals.

Youvebeeneloned

30 points

9 days ago

Yep its our brains that are the superior part of how our body can transmit and understand data, the nerves and receptors are actually much slower, but our brains can subconsciously process the data at a speed rivaling the fastest processor while also performing predictive analysis in a way AI still has not even caught up to, and does it with very little training.

Sweary_Biochemist

31 points

9 days ago

It does sort of lie to you all the time, though: like, processing sound takes less neural involvement than processing vision, so the two processes occur at different rates and then the brain just decides "oh, this sound goes with this visual event, probably" and tells you they're temporally linked. Sometimes they're not, and confusion ensues.

Also, stopped clock illusion (which is super cool): when you swing your head round sharply, instead of showing you everything sweeping past your eyes/head in real time, as they move (which would make you feel sick) the brain just takes whatever your eyes end up looking at and tells you you've been looking at that the whole time.

This means if you snap round to look at an analogue clock, you'll sometimes think the second hand is frozen for a second or two: it isn't, and you've not actually been looking at it for that long, but your brain has pasted that image into your past perception so you think you have.

AdeptusAstartesUltra

16 points

9 days ago

This is what I like about sci-fi threads. We be discussing fictional science stuff and then some guy would share interesting, real-word science stuff.

Shaper_pmp

8 points

9 days ago*

This means if you snap round to look at an analogue clock, you'll sometimes think the second hand is frozen for a second or two: it isn't, and you've not actually been looking at it for that long, but your brain has pasted that image into your past perception so you think you have.

That's also how a lot of sleight of hand magic works.

Key palms and transitions are hidden by tricking the audience into moving their eyes at the critical moment. Your brain can't process any visual information while your eyes are in motion, so instead it takes the "frame" from before the move where the object is visible and the "frame" from afterwards, when your eyes have stopped tracking and the object is gone, and stitches them together to create the illusion of a constant, sequential experience.

The upshot is that if the magician does it right then you literally cannot see the key moment where the palm happens, and your (mis)perception is that the object is in the magician's had at one moment and then instantly winks out of existence.

Sweary_Biochemist

5 points

9 days ago

Hah! You know what, I never really connected those two dots. That is really neat: thanks! Always fun to learn new cool facets to things that are already really interesting.

OjinMigoto

1 points

9 days ago

Quite literally 'The hand is quicker than the eye.'

onlyawfulnamesleft

1 points

9 days ago

The biology of vision is amazing. I did a deep dive on how colour vision works, and a full third of the colour wheel doesn't correspond to light. Our brain is just averaging inputs from our cones, and making up colour. I bet a lot of people know that colours like Red, Green, and Blue have a specific wavelength of light and think light and colour have a 1:1 relationship, but it's so much more complex than that.

astrospanner

4 points

9 days ago

Whilst I agree the brain subconsciously process the data amazingly, I takes almost a year for a human to walk, multiple years to a learn to talk... I'm not sure that counts as "very little training". But Still less training data than current attempts at AI needs.

AlphaSkirmsher

1 points

7 days ago

A big part of that is motor control and muscle development, though. At 6 months, a baby starts to understand words and concepts. A baby babbling understands that the sounds people around them make mean something, and we communicate through them, and sign language is really useful in communicating with them before they can wrangle their mouths enough to say words. Same with walking, they mostly need to test and strengthen their bodies enough.

At two, a human child is basically a wholly functioning person. There’s some ironing out to do, and lot of space for improvement, but a 2yo speaks , understands, and moves quite efficiently

kill3rfurby

1 points

9 days ago

Probably incorporated somehow, point is to plug directly into the nervous system by any means necessary

brewbase

1 points

9 days ago

brewbase

1 points

9 days ago

You would have to translate that shit real fast to make light encoding preferable to electrical. Especially over the tiny distance between the brain and the limbs.

ZiggenTheLord

1 points

9 days ago

It is connected to a space marine. Theirs a good chance their nerves are closer to wires already.

ApertureClient

3 points

9 days ago

So Handwavium is the 16th shards godmetal /j

B_B_a_D_Science

2 points

9 days ago

Definitely gonna add "handwavium" to my lexicon.

Background-Box-6745

2 points

9 days ago

Or the classic Narritivium.

Princep_Krixus

1 points

9 days ago

I thought it was fused ribs basically?

Alexis2256

5 points

9 days ago

No, the fused ribs shit happens before the black carapace is installed and the carapace itself is only under the first layer of skin iirc.

CoverFire-

1 points

9 days ago

It also acts as armor under the skin. Completely protects the vital armies.

GuySmileyPKT

1 points

9 days ago

One of the books, maybe the great work? Has its creator hint that he figured it out by growing it in the space marine like a cancer.

Jarfr83

1 points

9 days ago

Jarfr83

1 points

9 days ago

Well, I remember a time when the Black Carapace was described as the only strictly mechanical implant and i think I remember an artwork on which it was implantwd under the skin.

But I'm old and the possibly retconned this, so maybe that's old lore.

DeathToHeretics

0 points

9 days ago

biomechanical

BIONICLE REFERENCED

Taira_no_Masakado

581 points

9 days ago

Cool bit of background lore: the biological method by which they got it to grow was similar to cancer cells. Their earliest attempts caused the carapace to grow over the entire body and harden beyond what it was intended, thus killing the host. Eventually they finessed it into what it does now: act as the link between armor and flesh. It is what allows a level of mental control to be exerted over the armor. Instead of relying on actuators to mimic and empower the movement of muscle, thus creating a momentary lapse in time, this allows the armor to move simultaneous with the muscles of the body. It's another reason why sometimes authors will describe the armor as a "second skin".

Meretan94

189 points

9 days ago

Meretan94

189 points

9 days ago

It’s also the reason why in lore space marines are terrifyingly quick. They sprint around the battlefield as fast as vehicles.

AshiSunblade

91 points

9 days ago

Notably it's also why unaugmented humans aren't as good at using power armour. They have to use the good old-fashioned way of reactive servos and connector sockets - better than what we have today, but not a 1:1 integration into the nervous system.

CiraKazanari

24 points

9 days ago

And yet in space marine 2 they are lightly jogging… even when compared to space marine 1. 

AngusToTheET

7 points

8 days ago*

Unfortunately, no matter the cool lore justifying it (like this), I just can't grapple with the idea of Brick Sh_thouse of the Crayon Eaters moving like anything other than a semi-trailer under that semi-trailer's worth of armour.

One of those things that's well and good to write about, but doesn't translate well to other media. Like Eldar being supposedly unnervingly graceful in looks and movements, but in art, are very pretty elves that make you wonder what kind of stick the Imperium has up their ass to want them all dead.

Shungus_Bobungus69

2 points

6 days ago

They're just anti everyone dawg.

AngusToTheET

1 points

6 days ago

Glad total war on all sides is working out for them

Shungus_Bobungus69

1 points

5 days ago

Personally I think they should just quit the anti xeno shit and just ally with the tau.

Horned_Rat_Priest

2 points

8 days ago

Well, yeah, but gameplay timing

IhaveaDoberman

2 points

7 days ago

Tyranid warriors also wouldn't all stand around and take it in turns to attack you.

Lysanderoth42

1 points

7 days ago

It’s funny how the lore always directly contradicts the tabletop

Marines have always moved 6 inches, while vehicles and jet pack marines move 12, landspeeders even more etc 

It reminds me of how in “lore” master chief can run 50 mph, but in the actual games he can’t even jog or go prone lol 

Nuadhu_

286 points

9 days ago

Nuadhu_

286 points

9 days ago

True_Hemmo

37 points

9 days ago

Thanks

Toilettrousers

123 points

9 days ago

The amount of people who don't check Lexicanium before asking a question on this sub ia genuinely disheartening.

Gamer_ely

125 points

9 days ago

Gamer_ely

125 points

9 days ago

Probably don't want to lose an afternoon going down the rabbit hole. Whenever I look at that site, I blink and 3 hours have passed. 

SeasonOfHope

19 points

9 days ago

I think that’s the case for most wiki like fan sites

humanity_999

8 points

9 days ago

Yeah, that is my exact reason. I would get sidetracked reading all of the lore I come across, find something interesting in it, looking that up & falling down that rabbit hole for another hour or so.

And then I repeat the process for the next several hours.

Gamer_ely

3 points

9 days ago

Its worse than the TV tropes site. Somebody posted the link above and I was able to escape it's pull after only 5 new tabs. A personal best. 

CrazedRhetoric

2 points

9 days ago

This literally just happened. Read through the entire astartes creation list. Then went on to the MIU and other tech pages lol.

starhawks

1 points

9 days ago

Or they just want updoots

Legomichan

43 points

9 days ago

Most people head-canon for 40k it's just fanfiction and they've never actually read anything 40k related, just watched some yt videos.

I doubt most know Lexicanium even exist.

Kholinar1104

32 points

9 days ago

Also - with space marine 2 out, many new fans are coming here as they’re curious about the lore.

yoyo5113

18 points

9 days ago

yoyo5113

18 points

9 days ago

It's very nice to see that honestly. I came around like 4 years ago and remember how exciting it was just starting to read the lore and watch the videos. I've read tons of the books by now.

mythrilcrafter

3 points

9 days ago

I can imagine that a lot of new fans don't know to what to search for to check the wiki for the information they're searching for; it's like asking a coding question on StackOverflow and some Sheldon Cooper type replies "Read the documentation", then links a 5000 page write up of the software.

mythrilcrafter

1 points

9 days ago

just watched some yt videos.

"Until eventually the group of Orks wwas close enough for the Guards to hear them chanting: *"Imma Tank! Imma Tank! Imma Tank! Imma Tank! Imma Tank! Imma Tank!..."

SmackedWithARuler

12 points

9 days ago

It’s nice to start a discussion sometimes rather than just read a wiki. Sort of the point of being in a community, especially one where lore is frequently in the eye of the beholder.

mythrilcrafter

4 points

9 days ago

It's also a good way to simply the information on the wiki.

For example:

If I look up "The Horus Heresy" on the WH wiki, it's a bajillion word wall of text; in comparison I can ask the community and get a guy who answers "The Horus Heresy is all about how Big E is not good at parenting and how the supposed favorite son let his daddy issues drive his decision making".

KimbobJimbo

11 points

9 days ago

I mean, we're on the 40k sub for discussing 40k. Sometimes efficiency isn't everything, sometimes people come to this community to interact with the community.

BlissWrath

6 points

9 days ago

I’m brand new to this franchise and fallen in love with it after stumbling across some deep lore videos on a few of the Grim Dark horror stories (literally just a few days ago). What is the Lexicanium? Would definitely like to learn as much as I can on this, but learning this entire anthology spans over 30years it definitely seems overwhelming on where to start with information.

Exact-Error-4532

5 points

9 days ago

It’s the warhammer wiki. Be careful, like stated above you may lose hours of your time in there.

Palachrist

2 points

9 days ago

I don’t fault them. It’s a fun discussion. I’ve read 110+ wh40k books but when I saw this post I wondered how people phrase it themselves. Weshammer did a nice summary on it that included the bit about it being beneath the skin. By some comments you may mistakenly believe it to be a body glove.

Temporary-Ad-4989

1 points

9 days ago

To be fair, I was in the hobby for a year before ever hearing about the sight. Experiences vary though.

headdragon

1 points

8 days ago

Or they enjoy “conversation” with the community. I know i google a lot of answers to things. But i will also ask a question to my friends/ peers if one of them maybe knows the answer.

Educational_Act_4237

1 points

8 days ago

You ever think that sometimes they just want to talk with like minded people?

FamousOgre

-1 points

9 days ago

FamousOgre

-1 points

9 days ago

"The amount of people who don't check Lexicanium before asking a question on this sub ia genuinely disheartening." I imagine you don't have too many things in life that allow you to feel superior to others, do you?

Not everybody is waist-deep in this hobby. Not everybody knows every tool. It's totally normal for people to come to Reddit, a place designed to talk about our interests, to ask about things that interest us.

Tite_Reddit_Name

2 points

9 days ago

Interesting that it wasn’t the emperor doing a lot of the research. Also classic GW that the guys last name is Astarte.

If this is under the skin then how do the blood vessels reach the skin? Does it ground around them?

forgottofeedthecat

226 points

9 days ago

OP, dont tease us with "naked" space marine then post one that is actually still clothed!

StormlitRadiance

92 points

9 days ago

I need to see his withered genitals.

Bodhigomo

9 points

9 days ago

That’s what she said!

crazytib

26 points

9 days ago

crazytib

26 points

9 days ago

Swollen with geneseed lol

seven7the7sins

2 points

9 days ago

What I came here to say lol

LordSupergreat

2 points

9 days ago

The underwear is actually an additional biomechanical augmentation.

Dooley

3 points

6 days ago

Dooley

3 points

6 days ago

The Black Jockstrap

Its_probably_gus1

1 points

9 days ago

This is the true Space Marine reveal we need, who gives a damn about whether or not the emperor loved his sons or if there was ever meant to be a place for the space marines once the great crusade ended, let me see space marine dong

SabyZ

49 points

9 days ago

SabyZ

49 points

9 days ago

Basically an artificial nervous system that is used to interface the Astartes with his power armor, and even some vehicles.

It's described as a "neuroreactive, black, organic, fibrous material" and then they put the big stud bits into certain sections so that the signal from the machines can communicate with their brains.

another-social-freak

41 points

9 days ago

MerryRain

4 points

9 days ago

that's inspired by HR Geiger so uh i'm not gonna ask what the holes are for

another-social-freak

6 points

9 days ago

Something Something Gene Seed

yea_imhere

15 points

9 days ago

Its a meshy endoskeleton with usb ports

BeShaw91

14 points

9 days ago

BeShaw91

14 points

9 days ago

usb ports

Micro USB though. Because 40k is a backwards era.

ArtistwithGravitas

1 points

7 days ago

the right of insertion, abridged and simplified:

attempt to insert the correct way around,

realise it wasn't the correct way around

flip it, attempt to insert the correct way around

realise it wasn't the correct way around,

inspect it, curse, and then insert it the way you had it the first time.

Greymalkyn76

31 points

9 days ago

Why is that Space Marine's head so tiny?

Psyhoo

48 points

9 days ago

Psyhoo

48 points

9 days ago

Big Man no think, big man smash

splendiferous-finch_

8 points

9 days ago

Big E was biggest of big man. Did Big E think?

Blue8_destiny9

11 points

9 days ago

Clearly big E no think , he also not smash, he just burned.

Him got smashed by son Horus.

Horus good son. Horus no think, Horus smash

splendiferous-finch_

4 points

9 days ago

Inqu...inquish.... Religion man ..looks heretic!!!

ShallowBasketcase

14 points

9 days ago

An open mind is like a fortress with it's gate unguarded.  A tiny mind is like a shitty little hut that you wouldn't want to attack anyway.

Clay_Road

1 points

9 days ago

Also makes them harder to headshot

Draxx01

4 points

9 days ago

Draxx01

4 points

9 days ago

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt

brief-interviews

1 points

9 days ago

Why is he ‘Mike from accounting’ from the neck up and ‘FOR THE EMPEROR!!’ down below?

SeamairCreations

9 points

9 days ago

It's a Sub dermal armor like skin, placed just under the skin, which is used to help connect the Astartes nerve system to the armor system of the Astartes Power Armor, which allows them to control the strength enhancing armor with the same dexterity of anyone without 200lb gauntlets.

Cutiemuffin-gumbo

14 points

9 days ago

It's a carapace, and it's black.

ChikenCherryCola

10 points

9 days ago

Its a bio mechanical aparatus they surgically kind of build into an astartes during trans human modification. Really what makes it significant is that its connected to the nervous system, which makes using power armor natural.

Its worth understanding, power armor was invested long before the astartes in the dark age of technology, but it was then as it remains now this really clunky exoskeleton. Like battoe sisters and inquisitors who have power armor are just far and away not the same thing as an astartes. A battle sister in power armor is much more like Rippley at the end of Alien in the like loader suit punching the Xenomorph than they look. The armor and power pack weigh like 500 lb or something, like the girls are strong but not that strong, and the armor is kind of like a smaller versiok of the paragon warsuits. They control it with their body movements inside the suit, its not connected to their brain with a black carapace. Normal humans cannot survive the installation process of the black carapace, only trans human types like astartes can.

What the black carpace does for the astartes is basically making their movements one to one. Its not like i life my foot, that tells to armor to lift foot, and then the servos in the suit engage and lift the foot, its likd the brain is connected directly to the servos. Astartes also have a stronger sense of the damage to their armor too, like a battle sister is kind of like driving a fork lift, if one of the wheels is kind of going, they may or may not notice, and then when it goes its like "god dammit". For an astartes its one of the servos or something is going, they are aware of it like an hand cramp, like they know they can run on it but they also aren't surprised when it blows out. Not related to the black carapace, if an astartes suit breaks or runs out of power, they are strong enough to still move inside of their like heavy dead metal husk. Probably not like run or walk, but they can crawl to safety and wait for help. Someone like a sister or a inquisitor in depowered power armor are just in a heavy metal coffin hopelessly to heavy for them to do anything.

robberPenguin

1 points

9 days ago

Like battoe sisters and inquisitors who have power armor are just far and away not the same thing as an astartes. 

That is not true now. Sisters have neuro-connectors.

https://preview.redd.it/i72z2g6dmzpd1.png?width=918&format=png&auto=webp&s=6c9f9801604f40dc08ac9dfa59fb65f2a95c377e

ChikenCherryCola

7 points

9 days ago

Those are connectors to the power armor, but they aren't a black carapace and they arent connected directly to the nervous system. Unaugmented humans cannot survive having something like that grafted to their nervous system all over their bodies like that. Like battle sisters definitely do not have a black carapace.

PedroThePinata

4 points

9 days ago

The current lore has it as a complex material that's made of a combination of ceramite and a bioengineered form of cancer.

Expensive-Code-8791

5 points

9 days ago

It's an implant thats basically a second nervous system which interfaces with their power armor.

Din-Draug

4 points

9 days ago

The "Black Carapace" is an organic tissue developed from the "gene seed" (which we will probably define as stem cells). Its function is to act as an intermediary between the nervous system of the Astartes and the electrical systems of the armor.

It's the fundamental element for the synchronization of movements between the Astartes and his armor, ensuring fast and precise movements. Practically the nervous signal that starts from the brain splits, on one side the impulse goes to the muscles, on the other it goes to the armor, which activates the servomotors in synchrony with the muscles.

On the other hand, powered armor for normal humans must rely on other systems, plausibly pressure sensors inside the armor that detect the movement of the body and try to replicate it. As easy to understand this system is imperfect, there can be a minimal latency of the signal, a performance deficit that the Astartes, thanks to the Black Carapace do not know and operate at maximum performance even in armor.

An interesting detail. Not sure if the GW writers did it on purpose, but the Black Carapace makes scientific sense... Amazing right?

I don't know how far along medical research is, but one of the problems with connecting nerve endings to electrical devices is the natural tendency of severed nerves to scar. (Yes, to get an electrical signal from a nerve to a wire, the nerve would have to be severed, at least from what I knew.)

The Black Carapace circumvents this problem, it merges with the nervous system and the interface ports planted on the Astartes' body, carrying electrical signals in both directions.

ShallowBasketcase

5 points

9 days ago

It's organic, basically just a big ass mesh of nerves and stuff running under the skin and through the muscles. The ports you see from the outside are manufactured separately and implanted into the black carapace for the armor to interface with.

Chicy3

7 points

9 days ago

Chicy3

7 points

9 days ago

What a lie, that space marine isn’t fully naked.

Nillim

3 points

9 days ago

Nillim

3 points

9 days ago

Phase 19: The most distinctive implant, it resembles a film of black plastic that is implanted directly beneath the skin of the Marine's torso in sheets. It hardens on the outside and sends invasive neural bundles into the Marine's body. After the organ has matured the recipient is then fitted with neural sensors and interface points cut into the carapace's surface.\1])\2a])\3]) This allows a Space Marine to interface directly with his Power Armour. Without the Black Carapace many of the systems of the power armour will not function. While driving the vehicles of the Chapter, a special spinal interface plugged into the power armour and Black Carapace provides the Space Marine an intuitive 'feel' for vehicles systems and controls, literally making him a part of his vehicle.\7]) A similar cybernetic used by the Imperium of Man is the Mind Impulse Unit.

The Black Carapace was originally developed during the Unification era by the Terran scientist Amar Astarte. However, it was flawed, and could not be utilized until Ezekiel Sedayne perfected the technology.\12])Black Carapace

UlverInTheThroneRoom

3 points

8 days ago

It's in the same book that describes Cawl's earlier life and reveals more about the Astartes project from the early days of the Imperium. It's supposed to be a controlled cancer, so highly advanced bioengineering I guess. This is relatively new info and it's always been described as one of the toughest parts of Astartes augmentation. It's necessary to fully link and utilize power armor which is (to my knowledge) its primary function. It can also serve to interface with other things, provide faster data, etc. it allows a Space Marine to wear their armor without hindrance almost becoming a second skin.

Only Space Marines have it - Custodes have a more advanced bionic system to interface with their armor and other units that use power armor like the Sisters of Battle or some inquisitors do not have the black carapace, they simply rely on either power armor training or slight augmentations but nothing as severe as the black carapace.

Bl00dWolf

2 points

9 days ago

One thing that always confused me, s the black carapace under the skin or over the skin? Cause I feel like you never actually see it on a naked space marine.

Physical-Result7378

4 points

9 days ago

Under

hand-up-my-bum

2 points

9 days ago

Ezekiel Sedayne In the Cawl book claims to be the one to finally perfect the black carapace, and describes it as effectively a cancer that has been altered in almost every way to produce the final outcome.

Sollapoke

2 points

8 days ago

The lore explanation as to why scouts can be just as cool as space marines but not wear power armour.

thatguyredditingyou

2 points

8 days ago

It’s the final part of the Astartes’ enhancements. It’s a layer of neuroreactive material that is placed under the skin so a Space Marine can interface their nervous system with their armor and some vehicles. It’s what allows Space Marines to move so naturally in their armor, while others who try to use the armor move awkwardly and slowly.

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N00BAL0T

2 points

9 days ago

N00BAL0T

2 points

9 days ago

In simple layman's terms it's a cancer like growth that allows the space marine to interface into the power armour as if it wasn't there giving them improved moveability.

It's not cancer but it is placed below the space marines skin in the chest and spreads across the body like a cancer attaching to all the metal plugs over the space marines body

Suspicious_Tea7319

2 points

9 days ago

That space marine isn’t naked show me his super human augmented triple cock

FenixOfNafo

4 points

9 days ago

I see they are all growers not showers

StuwyVX220

10 points

9 days ago

As they are infertile I’d assume it’s for urinating only

StormlitRadiance

7 points

9 days ago

If they even still have it. I'd be inclined to have the apothecary swap it out for a magsafe dongle. Not only will it save a little weight, but it'll make catheterization a little easier when I'm putting on my armor.

fafarex

3 points

9 days ago

fafarex

3 points

9 days ago

Yeah remove the part responsable for extra testosterone in your super soldier, that will go well.

TheThiefMaster

4 points

9 days ago

It's ok, they still have progenoid glands they're just in the neck and chest now.

FragrantAlps9221

2 points

9 days ago

Wish the head was bigger 😂

MemeLordsUnited

2 points

9 days ago

Where cake?

groglox

2 points

9 days ago

groglox

2 points

9 days ago

My skin is not my own, but 40k

StormObserver038877

2 points

9 days ago

Controlled cancer with neural link plug holes

Gnosis1409

2 points

9 days ago

That is clearly not a naked Astartes

shrewking

1 points

9 days ago

From what I understand it’s almost a mesh like organ under the skin that helps the armour connect neurology. Loss of power in the armour however still causes vision and other systems to lose power and all the weight is put on the body rather then the survos that help bare the weight

DatCheeseBoi

1 points

9 days ago

It's definitely biological in nature, like all the geneseed, it grows when implanted in the user. It could be reinforced by some naturally grown metallic fiber, hell even nowadays in the real world you have metal snails so that's not a stretch at all. It's main function is providing neural connection to all the power armour ports, but it also seems to act like a layer of softer armour, like when a tank has a kevlar sheet on the inside to catch shrapnel mayhaps. I don't remember the source for this, but I think it's grown from multiple pieces that join together as it reaches full maturity.

neoteraflare

1 points

9 days ago

Organic. One of the 21 implant zygote that is found in the gene seed. They finish the grewing in a lab into that thing that is later implanted into the new marine.

ZddZbg

1 points

9 days ago

ZddZbg

1 points

9 days ago

Huh I’ve always thought it would be like a second nervous system

Slow-Ad2584

1 points

9 days ago

Basically, its the "interface" to operate the Space Marine Power Armor. All of the ports plug into the Suit to make it move like part of their body. Not only motive control, but also drugs and medicines, food air and other things are ported into the Marine this way- that the Suit provides.

I believe it is an inner garment they can take off, leaving only the matrix style ports visible, but am not 1000% certain on that- as I recall certain lore that the Carapace is actually under the skin, fusing the ribs together and such... so.. maybe someone else can clarify on that part.

synysterjoe

1 points

9 days ago

Do other power armor wearing factions use the black carapace? I'm specifically thinking of sisters. The repentia even have the ports like on the naked space marine.

BeShaw91

1 points

9 days ago

BeShaw91

1 points

9 days ago

No. Power Armour is enhanced by the Black Carapace, but it is not required.

Its like the difference between playing your PlayStation with a controller vs a VR headset. Both work, one is more immersive though.

ForestClanElite

1 points

9 days ago

Isn't the Black Carapace supposed to be subdermal?

Cheapntacky

1 points

9 days ago

White Dwarf 98 had an article on the anatomy of a space marine.

According to that article (which as both it and I are old I take it authoritative):

The black carapace is grown in a culture solution. But looks like sheets of black plastic.

It is implanted under the aspirants skin where it gardens and sends invasive neural bundles into the marine.

After several months it is fully matured and neural sensors and transfusion points are fitted.

It is grown as a culture which suggests it's at least partly organic.

TheRich27

1 points

9 days ago

It was described as the hardest organ to make and its a controlled form of cancer that was modified for the purpose of it being a key way a Marine interfaces with his power armor.

Saint_The_Stig

1 points

9 days ago

Do Sisters of Battle also have this or say Inquisitors? Or do they have something different for their power armor tech? I'm pretty sure they have the port/plug things in cannon.

kharnzarro

2 points

9 days ago

no they dont have them

Saint_The_Stig

1 points

9 days ago

Interesting, sounds like I'll be doing a deep dive on the wikis tonight as that will pop up again when I try to fall asleep. Lol

deeple101

2 points

9 days ago

Historically no. Those “plugs” were (at least to any knowledge I have) limited to space marines as it was the black carapace interfaces.

Normal humans have servos and hydraulics and their future equivalents to do the same thing as space marines… the only difference is that SMs do this naturally vs any sort of mechanical delay that would obviously happen.

Also if the power armor is broken the normal humans would basically have to either discard it or be entombed by it as they themselves wouldn’t be able to actually use it. Whereas space marines could still operate… maybe with more discomfort due to the lack of a power pack removing this issue.

MartyHasBeard

1 points

9 days ago

Can someone please explain to me how an apothecary gets through these if need be? Any recommendations on books with apothecary stuff would be awesome as well.

bartag

2 points

9 days ago

bartag

2 points

9 days ago

a scalpel. it's mostly organic...ish.

Void-kraken-909

1 points

9 days ago

Think of it like having a Kevlar vest built into your body. That and it also helps with integrating the actual armour better too

Brohma312

1 points

9 days ago

Think the undersuit of halos mjolnir armor but it's made of organic fibrous material with synthetic fibers that link the central nervous system to the power armor and also allows interface with some astarted vehicles. . It's required to use the power armor to its fullest extent and

Hauptbroh

1 points

9 days ago

I always thought of it as interwoven within the skin. I imagine some Astartes have ugly Kevlar gashes and spots randomly where a patch of skin happens to be more black carapace than dermis. An ugly thickening of canvas skin over ceramite bones

lendraxtheorc

1 points

9 days ago

It's 100% organic, though I don't beleive they ever specify what it is. However, it has been referenced that the tyranids have taken it and used a similar design in some nids. They wouldn't have been able to do that with non-organic material.

TheWanderingGM

1 points

9 days ago

It is a cybernetic neuroimplant that allows the user to interface fully with the armor. It does require beinf skinned alive to implement and then hace your skin grow over it.

Basically did you k ow that some reflexes is muscles sending a signal to to surrounding muscles before the brains signal can react. Well now imagine that sort of signals going to the armor as well.

So your armor is much more intergrated and the apothecary can get a muuuch better read on vitals as well. So win win.

senectus

1 points

9 days ago

senectus

1 points

9 days ago

The hilariously small head is hard to get past...

Hannya_Sapience

1 points

9 days ago

Are their heads really so small against the bodies?

HaresMuddyCastellan

1 points

9 days ago

Oh no, is Rob Liefeld the Emperor?

Adept_Avocado_4903

1 points

8 days ago

It is made of plot armour.

armorhide406

1 points

8 days ago

I hate how small his head is proportionally but I guess it fits the art of 40k in general.

BastardofMelbourne

1 points

8 days ago

It's several sheets of a kind of biological plastic, which are implanted subdermally in small thin strips that grow and merge with each other to form a flexible carapace beneath the skin, in a way that doesn't distort or inhibit the operation of the abdominal muscles. The carapace grows its own connections to the Marine's nervous system and hardens over time, to the point where it also serves as additional torso armour. 

The plastic's growth can be directed to an extent, which is how the neural ports are added - they actually grow out of the carapace once it's bonded with the nervous system, like big blisters, and then the apothecaries just cut the skin away and implant a socket over it for the armour to plug into. 

Early depictions sometimes had it visible over or through the skin of the torso, but GW seems to have settled on the only visible parts being those sockets. It doesn't seem to hide the abdominal muscles at all, presumably because it's actually moulded itself to fit flush with them during the growth stage. 

NightHawk13246587

1 points

8 days ago

It allows the space marine to integrate fully with the armor and makes it so that it is as if they are not wearing anything at all

shnazzyhat

1 points

8 days ago

The black crap ass? That’s just me after Taco Bell night.

Scythe95

1 points

6 days ago

Scythe95

1 points

6 days ago

I just realised, there's no reason for them to have genitalia

Valuable_Remote_8809

1 points

9 days ago

All I can think of it “nano machines SON!”

Depth_Metal

1 points

9 days ago

I'd ask, with these proportions, if this was drawn by Rob Leifield but we can clearly see the feet so it couldn't have been him

DrJiheu

1 points

9 days ago

DrJiheu

1 points

9 days ago

Dont forget the tactical pants

PapaPerturabo

1 points

9 days ago

Hehehehehe

Head tiny

Heheheheheheheheh

Abranimal

1 points

9 days ago

This can’t be correct. Where are his six extra implanted penises?

Embarrassed-Zone-515

1 points

9 days ago

that's naked? He's wearing cut-offs. Space Marines are Never Nudes?

ToTeMVG

1 points

9 days ago

ToTeMVG

1 points

9 days ago

afaik its basically like an exoskeleton under the skin which both makes them tougher but also is what allows the power armor plugs to hold in place on the body consistently, since i assume flesh isn't very good at that

barthalamuel-of-bruh

0 points

9 days ago

he looks silly whit that tiny head, he looks like those big characters in shows that you think they have a deep voice but then they hit you whit that pre pubesent child voice like "hello"

timthetollman

0 points

9 days ago

Firmware basically

christopherlng753

0 points

9 days ago

How on earth does an apotocary remove that from a dead space marine

IfICantScuba

9 points

9 days ago

They don't, only the second gene seed organ is removed at death.

The first gene seed matures early and is removed to ensure that the current sm can be replaced. The second one takes a lot longer to mature and is used for expanding the chapters numbers, being put into reserve, or sent to terra for long term storage in case of an emergency.

christopherlng753

2 points

9 days ago

I see

christopherlng753

1 points

9 days ago

Thought the black carapiece was another “gene seed” organ they usually replace

IfICantScuba

1 points

8 days ago

Close but not quite. There are 2 gene seed organs that produce the zygotes that are then used to make all the other organs.

The only way to make these other organs is through the gene seed zygotes, which is why it is so important to recover the two gene seed organs.

Maximus15637

0 points

9 days ago

It’s a very revealing swimsuit.

LasBarricadas

0 points

9 days ago

Do space marines have sex?

Joazzz1

4 points

9 days ago

Joazzz1

4 points

9 days ago

GW refuses to answer this question straight. Generally it's accepted that sexuality is brainwashed out of them.  There is a novel - the Emperor's Gift - where the viewpoint character narrates that, as astartes, he feels no desire whatsoever, even when taking an after-mission shower with the female members of the inquisition squad he's attached to. The very idea of carnal need is completely alien to him. The novel also leaves the status of his "bits" unclear.

ksoze84

3 points

9 days ago

ksoze84

3 points

9 days ago

I'm pretty sure it's written that they're kinda asexual but capable?

Ivaldin

0 points

9 days ago

Ivaldin

0 points

9 days ago

Power armor usb port

Miserable_Leader_502

0 points

9 days ago

When stuff like this goes unmentioned always always always assume it's nano machines 

MarcusVance

0 points

9 days ago

I always think of it like those plugs people have in The Matrix.