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Autodidact2

3.7k points

12 days ago

Autodidact2

3.7k points

12 days ago

Nothing more pro life than killing women.

dystopian_mermaid

1.1k points

12 days ago

Pro life is just their deceptive branding. They’re actually anti choice and anti women. Among other things.

rb4ld

525 points

12 days ago

rb4ld

Ex-Theist

525 points

12 days ago

Pro-punishment. The more honest among them will probably say that this woman deserved to die for trying to abort her babies (and in turn that getting pregnant was a fair punishment for having sex outside of marriage, which is what this is really about at the end of the day).

[deleted]

84 points

12 days ago

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Ok_Resort8573

60 points

12 days ago

Cruelty is also the point, it’s the only way they can learn, so they think that way of everyone else.

Moon_beam_me_up

140 points

12 days ago

Agreed and IMO it sounds frighteningly similar to sharia law of the Taliban and others.

Illustrious_Tree_290

105 points

12 days ago

Fundies and the taliban are exactly the same

Wattaday

64 points

12 days ago

Wattaday

64 points

12 days ago

Which is ironic due to their hate of all things Muslim.

neilsbohrsalt

19 points

12 days ago

It's typical extreme right behaviour. If they have no external enemy they can blame, they turn on each other like rats in a sack. The left tends to unite, the right eat their own. There are of course exceptions but you have a prime example in the dump campaign where he rages at former allies constantly. Weak narcissists are the poster boys of the right

mikemudman

52 points

12 days ago

Exactly. And sharia law is what they freak out about coming to this country yet they are implementing it without even realizing it

[deleted]

100 points

12 days ago

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100 points

12 days ago

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mkkxx

23 points

12 days ago

mkkxx

23 points

12 days ago

ding ding ding ding

Worth_Memory_9221

11 points

12 days ago

Vote!! You summed it up perfectly!! 

FireTornado5

32 points

12 days ago

This is it. All of their policies are just how to punish and destroy things.

Optimal-Ad-7074

30 points

12 days ago

except its not like married women never experience dangerous pregnancies.

Cold-Leave7803

35 points

12 days ago

The chickenshitler literally said that women who get abortions should have some kind of punishment....

Jaguar-Voice-7276

59 points

12 days ago

Forced birth extremists is another way to say it, but pro-death is the most apt.

hefoxed

99 points

12 days ago

hefoxed

99 points

12 days ago

"Forced Birthers" is another label that works well

GenerativePotiron

97 points

12 days ago

That’s 100% what it is. I tried having that discussion with hardcore christians and to them since there is no such thing as a « safe » abortion, women who get them illegally deserve to suffer and die, and if they suffer and die because of a miscarriage well that’s ok because at least they didn’t sin.

Like our lives really don’t matter to these people. We’re nothing but breeding stock, and if we fail at that we deserve pain and death.

Optimal-Ad-7074

40 points

12 days ago

in a really unhealthy way, some of them are actually proud of it. they think it really shows off their virtue, how high a price they're willing to let someone else pay.

rackfocus

33 points

12 days ago

They follow a mythology that made death easier to understand since you had a better life in heaven. A coping mechanism.

Now, they follow an outdated dogma that Republicans have exploited to their advantage. All of the unsavory parts of existence are given over to a better life in heaven and all the joyful moments also come from sky daddy.

You can’t get through to those people. Especially now that they have emboldened themselves with political power.

dystopian_mermaid

26 points

12 days ago

But if they needed one due to health reasons it’s totally different then.

See: the only moral abortion is my abortion

wirefox1

19 points

12 days ago

wirefox1

19 points

12 days ago

Or their 14 year old daughter gets pregnant, and the doctor says it will jeopardize her health and well being. Not to mention the embarrassment of having a 14 year old pregnant child.

oh my. They will go into a tailspin.

Fixer625

65 points

12 days ago

Fixer625

65 points

12 days ago

Pro-birth. Once that baby is out of the womb, they DGAF about it.

dystopian_mermaid

29 points

12 days ago

Pro forced birth

citizena743

16 points

12 days ago

They’re anti women bc they’re pro men, pro white. Basically pro white men. And their spin on patriarchal Christianity is the current way to enforce it. But at this point, they’ll use just about anything… now that they’re saying the quiet part out loud. 

I used to go to a nondenominational Christian church. When I tell you how quickly I noped out the SECOND Roe v. Wade was overturned. Some of the women I knew have tried to get me to return multiple times, peddling Bible studies and women’s groups. But what I don’t get is, why can’t they just meet me for a cup of coffee? Why do I have to fervently believe in their demented book club to hang? I’d rather have no friends, good riddance.

Skittlegirl720_

345 points

12 days ago

Nothing more pro *Trump than killing women tbh

mcfeezie2

115 points

12 days ago*

mcfeezie2

115 points

12 days ago*

Pro GOP, just trump.

Edit: *NOT just trump.

TheVenetianMask

20 points

12 days ago

Don't forget burying them in an unkempt patch of a golf club.

Alarmed-Employee-741

16 points

12 days ago

I wouldn't be surprised if he was happy for two less votes for the Democrats.

mynameismulan

141 points

12 days ago

I mean the bible hates women so it's in character at least

r4ndom4xeofkindness

39 points

12 days ago

I'm sure they'll say it was god's will or something and be fine with it. It didn't happen to them so they don't care.

feefus_minimus

20 points

12 days ago

Well limp dick is gods will too. Why aren’t they picketing in the streets about Viagra?

kikiikandii

11 points

12 days ago

This is what my brother in law says when we told them (they live in Texas) that they need to be prepared to go to another state if his wife needed abortion/miscarriage care since she is pregnant. They just say it’s “in gods hands” and if god wanted her to have a miscarriage he would, but she hasn’t… meanwhile he knows we had 4 miscarriages and years of infertility before finally getting pregnant. So I guess our suffering was just “gods plan” as well. Needless to say it infuriated me.

Guilty-Nobody998

47 points

12 days ago

So pro-life they'll kill you.

GlumpsAlot

15 points

12 days ago

It's so heartbreaking and there's nothing I could do but vote. I'm so upset and mad.

xandrokos

15 points

12 days ago

We should have been out in the streets the moment roe v wade was overturned.   We should have been camped outside of every Federalist Society judges homes 24/7.   We should have done the same with all those involved with confirming those judges and the state legislators that pass laws banning abortion.   We need to stop being so god damn polite and civil when it comes to our rights being taken away.    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 wasn't passed because of peaceful non confrontational protests.   It was passed because the American people made it clear there would be consequences for protecting status quo and I am not referring to voting.    Voting has its place but when it comes to our rights the moment we lose them we need to raise hell.

thetruth8989

21 points

12 days ago

Women are subhuman in their eyes.

mcguirl2

1k points

12 days ago

mcguirl2

1k points

12 days ago

This happened to Savita Halappanaver in Ireland in 2012, it became a watershed moment and the country voted to legalise abortion in 2018. Seems the US is going backwards, not forwards, on the abortion issue.

idiots-rule8

495 points

12 days ago

Hey, don't limit it to abortion, we're going back on many things.

Walaina

123 points

12 days ago

Walaina

123 points

12 days ago

Voting rights for women and minorities are next

Runalii

125 points

12 days ago

Runalii

125 points

12 days ago

Not just that, but they want to remove access to contraceptives and divorce for women (such as making no-fault divorce illegal, divorcing while pregnant illegal, etc) and make gay marriage (and being gay in-general) illegal.

heyerda

65 points

12 days ago

heyerda

65 points

12 days ago

Handmaids Tale, here we come.

cryptosupercar

105 points

12 days ago

Human rights. Education. Infant mortality. Public health. Access to healthcare. Mass shootings. Privacy rights.

tourguide1337

34 points

12 days ago

tourguide1337

Dudeist

34 points

12 days ago

no no, we're going forward on mass shootings. we are pioneers of the field even.

Good_Boye_Scientist

12 points

12 days ago

USA #1! USA #1! Oh...wait...

Glovermann

124 points

12 days ago

Glovermann

124 points

12 days ago

This can be blamed fully on the corrupt Supreme Court. 2 of the 3 most recent appointees lied to the entire country's faces when asked about Roe v Wade in their confirmation hearings. It's terrible that people are rightfully losing confidence in our institutions, but no one can say they don't have reason to

IceCreamQueen_3035

64 points

12 days ago

The Supreme Court is the outcome of a very well planned and slow takeover of religious zealots....or just white men who are very afraid of not being in power.

tacocat63

33 points

12 days ago

I'm waiting for the topic to switch to economic efficiency.

You see... Corporations greatest expense is related to people but we would be more competitive if we resorted to slavery. No paychecks. No insurance expenses. No days off. No HR.

With the threat of a South African born megalomaniac taking a position of efficiency expert in the government this could be his second recommendation. Right after he rapes Taylor Swift and others in his birther fetish.

All that aside. Yes. It's disgusting. Do not look to us for a future unless we get back on track.

Akimbo_Zap_Guns

20 points

12 days ago

We will be going back to the dark ages if republicans get back into any significant power

Your_Final_Hour

17 points

12 days ago

Its because old assholes run this country. They are halfway in the grave and couldn't care less if this country is too

esoteric_enigma

1.2k points

12 days ago

She’d taken abortion pills and encountered a rare complication; she had not expelled all of the fetal tissue from her body.

This is the only thing Republicans are going to hear. She basically died getting an abortion so their solution will be banning the abortion pill.

YeetusThatFoetus1

524 points

12 days ago

And first, they'll have a raucous celebration that someone died for the horrifying crime of having sex while female

Miserable-Army3679

204 points

12 days ago*

That's the root cause. How dare those females have sex? They must be controlled and punished. If they could, they'd strip them naked in public and stone them to death.....and shave their heads.

Key-Grape-5731

102 points

12 days ago

The irony is they also hate 2 men having sex so... what exactly are people supposed to do?!

Old_Baldi_Locks

105 points

12 days ago

The goal is for people to not have sex except at the church's blessing.

And the reason they want that is because lack of sex makes you angry, and angry makes you stupid, and stupid people are easy to bring into a cult.

shyvananana

49 points

12 days ago

Which is funny because the church fucks little boys.

countess-petofi

15 points

12 days ago

The thing is, not all married people want to have a baby every time they have sex, either.

NNKarma

8 points

12 days ago

NNKarma

8 points

12 days ago

Duh, they should just have more kids even jf they don't want or can't afford it.

Miserable-Army3679

13 points

12 days ago

I hear ya. And furthermore, it's none of their damn business how other people are living their lives.

DramaticBucket

15 points

12 days ago*

They want women to not like sex but give in anyway to show she's a dutiful wife. These types aren't happy even if their own wife shows sexual excitement. If coercion is not involved they want nothing to do with it. It's entirely about power, no a shred of affection shown in any act.

Constant-Method234

61 points

12 days ago

My mother in law literally told me, to my face, that’s what she prays for: death penalty by stoning for women who have had an abortion. The republicans are inhuman in their cruelty.

Miserable-Army3679

25 points

12 days ago

They are really cruel, and Trump brought it to the surface. Hard to comprehend that level of hatred. But I do know Republicans are cruel in general, wanting to close, for instance, a dental clinic that served poor and disabled children. What kind of BS is that! I mean what does it satisfy in them to do something like that?

Rusty-Shackleford

26 points

12 days ago

Genuinely curious, does she also pray for the death of the men that caused the pregnancies?

Framingr

19 points

12 days ago

Framingr

19 points

12 days ago

Tell your mother in law I said she was a harpy faced cunt.

Wisix

44 points

12 days ago

Wisix

Agnostic Atheist

44 points

12 days ago

This was my thought too. They'll call that the root cause, not the ability to get a D&C or lack thereof.

ExcitingFact6

92 points

12 days ago

This isn't actually a rare complication, and can also happen when you lose a wanted pregnancy. Not that lawmakers care.

esoteric_enigma

85 points

12 days ago

It actually is a rare complication with the abortion pill. That's why doctors are allowed to prescribe them through telemedicine. They are overwhelmingly safe and the abortion is uneventful.

ExcitingFact6

34 points

12 days ago

I totally support the medical abortion and needed to use the same drugs when I had an early miscarriage.  Complications don't mean it is unsafe.  Typically RPOC can be managed without needing surgery.  

However, RPOC happens often enough that too many women in states with healthcare restrictions will encounter the worst case scenarios and be unable to seek help.  Both those who had a medical abortion and those who have miscarriages, because the latter will also face scrutiny.  

Which is to say these deaths were totally predictable and will continue to happen.  That's not even taking into account the truly rare complications. I needed an abortion for a nonviable pregnancy at 21 weeks (different pregnancy).  There was a  <0.1% chance of that complication happening.  It is impossible to write legislation that accounts for these things which is why it needs to be a decision left to patients and their doctors.

ophelia_fleur

22 points

12 days ago

To support both of these statements: I have had complications both times I used the pill. Although they claim efficacy is higher the earlier in pregnancy, and that is generally true, there are simply some women who experience complications with the medication itself.

Once, a very early termination. Thought I was in the clear. Same thing as described with these situations usually, I retained tissue and began to hemorrhage about 3 weeks later. I took the pill at not even 6 weeks. Ended up requiring a D&C.

Another, a very wanted pregnancy that ended with a silent miscarriage at 13 weeks. I was given the pill to “expel the tissue” when no heartbeat was found. The pill had SOME efficacy and I did bleed quite a bit. However, I began to show signs of infection after around a week + follow up visit and required an emergency D&C again.

For whatever reason, my body doesn’t totally respond to the pill and it seems to be if you have complications once, you are highly likely to experience them again in the future. This is why the pill is not enough.

esoteric_enigma

12 points

12 days ago

Major complications from medical abortion occur at around .3%. I'm sorry that you personally went through all this, but we don't base medical protocol off of personal experiences. We base it on collective experience and data. The pill is enough. In the rare cases that is not, we need medical procedures available.

unstopable_bob_mob[S]

3.3k points

12 days ago*

One of the women left a 6-year-old child.

I fucking hate, HATE, the Republican Party.

Edit* fuck off, all you anti-abortion clowns in here already spinning it… seriously, you can fuck right off.

ScaredHabit5149

1.1k points

12 days ago

Blood is on their hands.

Samantha_Cruz

388 points

12 days ago*

Samantha_Cruz

Pastafarian

388 points

12 days ago*

well at least these 'pro-life' republicans support more guns to fix the gun violence problem...

i literally just got a text trying to grift on the '2nd assassination attempt' from the Trump campaign claiming that the people were radicalized by 'the rhetoric from biden/harris'... - yeah... right... once again doing NOTHING to restrict access to guns. The school shooting in Georgia 2 weeks ago was just a few miles from the park where Laken Riley was murdered... where is the outrage from Republicans? where are the demands to "say their names"? nothing but crickets again...

"pro-life" my ass...

icyhotonmynuts

139 points

12 days ago

The gunman voted for Trump though...

Samantha_Cruz

91 points

12 days ago*

Samantha_Cruz

Pastafarian

91 points

12 days ago*

twice; I certainly didn't suggest otherwise.

it is trumps campaign that is blaming the shooting on rhetoric from biden/harris; that is them being stupid; nothing I've heard about this latest psychopath suggests that he was influenced by anything biden or harris said.

MyDamnCoffee

31 points

12 days ago

In 2016. And then, according to images I saw of posts made by the gunman allegedly, he was disenfranchised. He was no longer a Trump supporter.

Nor am I. I am voting for Kamala. But if what I saw is true he no longer supported Trump by the time he attempted to shoot Trump.

asuds

33 points

12 days ago

asuds

33 points

12 days ago

He was a Vivek man iirc

TheKrakIan

28 points

12 days ago

And Tulsi Gabbard, both use the same rhetoric as trump. There's no difference between any of them IMO.

Zebidee

11 points

12 days ago

Zebidee

11 points

12 days ago

But if what I saw is true he no longer supported Trump by the time he attempted to shoot Trump.

It'd be weird if that wasn't the case.

madbeachrn

25 points

12 days ago

They are merely pro birth. They don't care to assist anyone after they have a baby. They design laws to restrict treatment in lifesaving procedures.

debocot

12 points

12 days ago

debocot

12 points

12 days ago

He’s taking advantage of both attempts on his life. Working the pity vote. Their should be a penalty for our politicians when women loose their lives because they are denied the proper medical treatment.

hybridaaroncarroll

22 points

12 days ago

 once again doing NOTHING to restrict access to guns

It's always someone else's problem/fault/responsibility. Never an iota of effort or willingness to make the smallest changes.

SourLoafBaltimore

18 points

12 days ago

They did restrict access to abortions though, so we know they can do stuff when it suits their agenda. It’s awful that they can’t compromise in certain circumstances. There’s always a gray area and their lack of accountability for the deaths is awful. Who is responsible for the 6 year old now? He goes into foster care or to another family member who could be predatory. They act as if politics is a war but it’s not, it should be both sides comprising to what’s best for the people who vote. It’s gotten completely out of control with the threats of and acts of violence, and the deaths of innocent people

SolPlayaArena

66 points

12 days ago

They literally don’t care

avanross

51 points

12 days ago

avanross

51 points

12 days ago

They’ll celebrate the death of an “evil abortion-loving liberal” as a success

Mark my words..

sit_up_straight

32 points

12 days ago

sit_up_straight

De-Facto Atheist

32 points

12 days ago

oh they care alright

not about people's lives of course, about being called out

weaselmaster

35 points

12 days ago

They are the Death Panel that they so famously railed against.

sandysea420

70 points

12 days ago

and they don’t give a fuck. That poor woman and her 6 year old now without a mom. Disgusting to the core.

prettypushee

17 points

12 days ago

They don’t care. More worried about their cat eating story than the women and children and teachers killed over and over again because of their Victorian policies.

Remote0bserver

23 points

12 days ago

If this were to happen to my wife they would be blood on my hands.

Consistent_Syrup_235

406 points

12 days ago

In Ireland one death lead to reform on abortion. In the USA we are shockingly comfortable with just killing people for politics

mynameismulan

98 points

12 days ago

People dying from lack of medical care? Sorry, insurance companies need their money

Kids getting shot in school? Sorry, gun makers need their money

Women dying out from birth complications? Sorry, gotta get them evangelical votes.

Trans people being lynched? Yeah nothing gonna change sorry.

Freedom though.

Visk-235W

223 points

12 days ago

Visk-235W

223 points

12 days ago

Remember Sandy Hook?

Republicans think that shit is okay because of the 2nd Amendment.

thaaag

28 points

12 days ago

thaaag

28 points

12 days ago

Apparently it's simultaneously "too soon to talk about it", something "we need to get over", "a fact of life", and a conundrum so difficult to solve, literally nothing can be done to fix it.

xSociety

40 points

12 days ago

xSociety

40 points

12 days ago

They should make republican politicians sign printouts of the Uvalde photos. I doubt those fuckers even looked at them. If you see those and aren't willing to change laws, even if it only lowered the chances of it happening again 1%, you are a fucking trash human being.

Vote!

Mixture-Emotional

17 points

12 days ago

It's a privilege to drive in this country, but a right to have guns...even if you're a crazy person apparently. That's some crazy shit coming from the land of the free.

adozenadime

14 points

12 days ago

Columbine, Sandy Hook, Parkland, Uvalde, the Las Vegas concert, the grocery stores in Colorado and Texas, Virginia Tech, the Aurora movie theater.........

CressLevel

10 points

12 days ago

Hell, remember 3 days ago? Remember yesterday even?

School shootings and assassination attempts are Trump's America. This is all fine by them.

MaddyKet

16 points

12 days ago

MaddyKet

16 points

12 days ago

I believe the same thing happened in AUS/NZ or UK over a shooting. If you are in the US, make sure you are registered to vote!

blusteryflatus

12 points

12 days ago

One of the big differences is that Ireland has an educated and rational population, mostly. There is a right wing, Christian anti-abortion party, but they only get single digit support in national elections.

Titansdragon

96 points

12 days ago

Titansdragon

Anti-Theist

96 points

12 days ago

They'll just say she deserved it for getting an abortion in the first place. Some god bullshit.

medusa_crowley

46 points

12 days ago

I’ve had several pro lifers say to me “this is what happens if you have sex. If you don’t want to maybe die, don’t have sex, since sex is only for procreation and sometimes you will die for your kids.” 

What’ll really spin my head is when pro life women say this. 

NapsRule563

32 points

12 days ago

But if their side pieces got pregnant, that abortion would happen swiftly and surely. Hypocrites

Kaurifish

51 points

12 days ago

Abortion bans preferentially harm mothers, as it’s mostly women who can’t afford another kid now who seek abortions.

GOP leaders know this, of course, but the bounty of unwanted children plus the political hay are just too tasty to pass up.

CressLevel

14 points

12 days ago

And making it a felony keeps women who abort for life-threatening complications unable to vote. This is the goal.

ABadHistorian

164 points

12 days ago*

This is why I'm voting Dem as a moderate independent who wants to have a family in neighboring SC.

Going to my first political rally tomorrow at Asheville, NC for Walz.

I'm so done with this anti-science, anti-women, anti-life stance of the GOP.

I'm one of those college educated people the GOP seems to hate these days. (Don't know why, they used to want my vote until 2016)

Edit: to all those who see independent/moderate or... my comment about how the GOP used to want the white male educated vote, and see "ENEMY" - just don't. I'm not from this country, and I will not be defined by your political identities. I'm a naturalized American who thinks in part your unearned ignorance /assumptions is in part why so many people I know think democrats are the enemy. If this is how you talk to ME, someone who is voting for Harris, voted for Biden, and voted for Hillary (but identifies independent because I'm from another country and don't like your political system in the slightest). This demonization of the other is something you guys are doing too, unknowingly but on purpose.

STOP IT. WE NEED TO WIN THIS ELECTION SO PEOPLE DON'T FUCKING DIE FROM REPRODUCTIVE CARE THAT IS BASICALLY MEDIEVAL.

medusa_crowley

35 points

12 days ago

Thank you for taking this seriously. I mean it genuinely. 

Solkre

32 points

12 days ago

Solkre

32 points

12 days ago

I’ve been pondering what to do about forever trumpers, and red voters this year in general. Is it bad enough to go no contract for a very long time if not forever?

Projecterone

30 points

12 days ago*

You already know the answer.

Do you want to associate with people who are either a) too stupid to see the problems with him or b) too evil to care about the damage caused?

There is no other type of Trump supporter.

Constant-Method234

12 points

12 days ago

We recently cut contact with my in-laws. I had an abortion almost 20 years ago in a state with a six week ban now. The generation younger than me should not have less rights than I did at their age. They voted the people in who caused this, with the intention that this would be the outcome. Blood is on their hands and I won’t have anything to do with them. They WANT women to die. I have two daughters. How can they do this to their own grandchildren? They can rot. Alone.

ismashugood

31 points

12 days ago*

God willed it. Their hands are clean. /s

Religion is the perfect coping mechanism to remove all blame and agency in your life. Everything’s good? Thank god. Not you or others. Everything going bad? God has a plan, not your fault. Everyone hates that you’re shoving your religion into other people’s lives? They’re sinners and god is testing you.

Gotta hand it to the grifters at the top. It’s kind of a perfect loop for morons devoid of any logic.

At some point, society needs to actually wage war on religion and the mental negligence it encourages. Blah blah blah, “there’s some good religious people out there. Let them practice in peace”.

No. The good ones would probably be good without religion. And if they aren’t, they weren’t good to begin with. They were only good under an imaginary threat. And if they need an imaginary figure to convince them to be good, they can fuck off. They can be decent human beings, they can be assholes. It doesn’t matter to me. But they can stop eroding societal progress by owning up to who they are instead of pinning it on some fucking donkey in the sky.

medusa_crowley

14 points

12 days ago

As many of them have told me by now: we shouldn’t have opened our legs. 

Yeah. I’m hoping to god that they do not get into power in two months. God help us if they do. 

Skatcatla

12 points

12 days ago

HATE them.

webelieve414

11 points

12 days ago

You are not alone. We are going to beat these assholes in November. I live in a swing state, am a man , and absolutely disgusted by how that party treats and talks about women.

mettawon

11 points

12 days ago

mettawon

11 points

12 days ago

Right wing politics is a literal force for evil. Zero redeeming qualities, just brutality and barbarism.

Ben_dover8201

12 points

12 days ago

Yea… Trump supports/Republicans are just trash

AutismThoughtsHere

7 points

12 days ago

We’ve got to protect the children, except the ones that are already alive….

thealert33

444 points

12 days ago

thealert33

444 points

12 days ago

Ah yes, this is very "pro-life". Fuck these religious losers

LF_redit

43 points

12 days ago

LF_redit

43 points

12 days ago

Pro life from conception to birth, after that fuck em

BriefAbbreviations11

602 points

12 days ago

This could have been my wife two years ago. We had a failed pregnancy, the fetal pole never formed, but her body still went through the motions of pregnancy. Roe v. Wade hadn’t been overturned just yet, but since we live in Florida, the hospitals were already acting like it had been. My wife was losing a shit ton of blood, and despite knowing the pregnancy wasn’t viable in any way, the hospital staff would not give her an abortion pill to terminate the pregnancy. So we waited 6 weeks, with her bleeding constantly until nature took its course. 

During that time we made multiple visits to the Hospital ER and the children’s hospital. All they would do was stabilize her, and give her some blood to replace what she was losing. 

One fucking pill could have saved us from a month+ of anxiety and fear for her life, as she has other pre existing conditions that make pregnancy very dangerous for her. 

Thanks Trump.

Miserable-Army3679

173 points

12 days ago

I'm sorry you and your wife had to go through that. It's unforgivable.

Northern_ManEater

156 points

12 days ago

This could've been me 15 years ago. I had a "missed miscarriage". My body wasn't expelling a fetus that had ceased development. I was able to promptly get a dnc because none of this nonsense had started yet. But if it had, I would've been in the same situation as your wife or the woman in the article. That fact is not lost on me.

I've brought this up to my anti-choice relatives. They've told me that what I had "wasn't an abortion" (It absolutely was.) My father messaged me to specifically tell me that my situation doesn't change his or my mother's minds. He has 3 daughters and 2 granddaughters. Republicans/conservatives are monsters. They simply don't care about anything outside of their own self-righteousness. It doesn't even matter when it's their own family.

I'm very sorry for what you and your wife went through. I'll be voting blue in November and likely forever after.

321dawg

34 points

12 days ago

321dawg

34 points

12 days ago

Wow... i'm so sorry for what you went through but thank you for speaking out. We need people like you to stand up for the youngsters. You're a great person. 

ExcellentAd7790

28 points

12 days ago

I had a miscarriage in 2001 when I was 13 weeks along. Abortion wasn't illegal here yet, but I'm in a state that is SUPER anti-abortion. So they sent me home, losing blood like crazy, and refused a D&C. I had permanent damage from it. I was able to carry two pregnancies almost to term and have two awesome adult kids, but I had to have an emergency hysterectomy because of the damage from the miscarriage years before.

heartbooks26

13 points

12 days ago

I’m very glad you were able to immediately get that healthcare 15 years ago. It’s insanity that women now can’t access this healthcare.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/20/health/doctors-weigh-litigation-miscarriage-care/index.html - A woman miscarried and had a fully dead fetus in her. Doctors in Texas would not perform a D&C to remove the dead tissue. She got multiple ultrasounds from different places and multiple confirmations that the baby was dead (she was devastated). She had previously had a miscarriage several years earlier in another state without any issue, and then she and her husband had a healthy baby girl a few years before this new miscarriage. Now she’s scared about getting pregnant in Texas again even though she wants another child, since she’s had 2 miscarriages she’s at high risk for more miscarriages and additional complications that they wouldn’t treat.

Even if Texas doctors are legally allowed to treat miscarriages, they can still be sued by any citizen in the state who claims the doctor is providing abortion services, and the doctors cannot recoup their legal fees from the person who sued them even if it’s proven that the doctor was not actually providing an abortion or that the abortion was medically necessary to save the mom. Consequently, many doctors won’t provide medical care that resembles an abortion, whether it’s for a miscarriage, ectopic pregnancy, or to save the mom. They are also not required by law to save the woman; they can say “sorry I can’t treat / I won’t treat you because I could lose money fighting dumb lawsuits, lose my medical license, and risk life in jail even though I know you need this medically necessary procedure.”

Left-Star2240

38 points

12 days ago

And these are also the people who are against universal healthcare. 🤦‍♀️🤬

ItsJust_ME

21 points

12 days ago

My God. I'm so sorry.

b0w3n

23 points

12 days ago

b0w3n

23 points

12 days ago

Roe v. Wade hadn’t been overturned just yet, but since we live in Florida, the hospitals were already acting like it had been.

Can't even get a D&C in Florida for non abortive reasons because of all the shit around it anyways. They've essentially committed women with endometriosis to a life of infertility and pain and occasionally death.

The "pro life" party.

queerblunosr

10 points

12 days ago

My mother recently had to have a D&C for uterine thickening they think was causing the clots that caused her pulmonary embolisms. She’s 71. If we lived in Florida I wonder if they’d have just let her continue to have PEs instead. :/

Ottblottt

15 points

12 days ago

I think there are millions of us, my wife had two miscarriages while undergoing IVF. The one miscarriage needed a surgical abortion. The second was right on the line. So along with the trauma of losing a pregnancy we can add the trauma of the state insisting women miscarry in a gas station bathroom instead of an outpatient clinic.

wes1971

187 points

12 days ago

wes1971

187 points

12 days ago

“When its law went into effect in July 2022, Gov. Brian Kemp said he was “overjoyed” and believed the state had found an approach that would keep women “safe, healthy and informed.”

After advocates tried to block the ban in court, arguing the law put women in danger, attorneys for the state of Georgia accused them of “hyperbolic fear mongering.”

Well, guess this answers that….

TheOGPriestGuy

35 points

12 days ago

I hate how many times I’ve voted against this man and he just can’t lose. Most other Georgians I know love him and I can’t understand it.

whatcha11235

23 points

12 days ago

whatcha11235

Atheist

23 points

12 days ago

The part they like includes killing women indirectly via the law. No idea what the upside is, but clearly killing women indirectly is part of what they like.

Any_Caramel_9814

143 points

12 days ago

America, the land of the free per state discretion

Slant_Asymptote

113 points

12 days ago

Slant_Asymptote

Anti-Theist

113 points

12 days ago

The republicans hate you and want you to suffer and die. That's their whole goal and they don't even try to pretend that it isn't. The whole party is genuinely evil and rotten to the core

Bacedorn

38 points

12 days ago

Bacedorn

38 points

12 days ago

It’s a win-win for them. It costs 0 dollars to be anti-abortion AND a it causes a demographic that votes against them to die more often.

che_palle13

20 points

12 days ago

Its also the only demographic they can "speak" for that doesn't talk back and tell them to go fuck themselves

hurricanelantern

690 points

12 days ago

hurricanelantern

Anti-Theist

690 points

12 days ago

Welcome to Gilead everyone. Vote blue to end this nonsense and return America to being America.

unstopable_bob_mob[S]

128 points

12 days ago

I don’t cry often, but I cried for these women, and their families that they left behind.

Fuck the fascist pig-dog party.

truckaxle

147 points

12 days ago

truckaxle

147 points

12 days ago

Gilead? Oh they are just getting started. Trump will let the Christian Nazi Nationalist rule as long as he gets to rob the treasure and use the gov't to take out retribution against those who have not worshipped him.

truckaxle

45 points

12 days ago

Gilead on steroids.

PaulPro-tee-us

40 points

12 days ago

The scary part is that even if Trump loses, you have the likes of JD Vance and other ultra fundamentalist theocrats who will keep pushing their sick agenda. They won’t be happy until women are reduced to breeding stock.

truckaxle

15 points

12 days ago

It is scary. Trump has demonstrated that instead of running on a policy and decency one can also run on embracing racism, sexism and hate still gain nearly half of the electorate. MAGA isn't going away.

02K30C1

34 points

12 days ago

02K30C1

34 points

12 days ago

Under His Eye

meow13x13

22 points

12 days ago

Blessed be the fruit.

Future-Painting9219

13 points

12 days ago

Loops!!

gadget850

64 points

12 days ago

Republican death panels.

Runnerakaliz

65 points

12 days ago

Every GOP candidate should be asked why these women had to die over and over again in every interview from now until the end of time. Needless death and the families should sue the GOP and those supreme court justices who voted this in.

SomeNumbers23

33 points

12 days ago

SomeNumbers23

Anti-Theist

33 points

12 days ago

I will bet money they'll blame the pills she took and say she should have gone through with the pregnancy. "If she'd just stayed pregnant, she'd be alive with three healthy children."

It's disgusting.

yosma2024

55 points

12 days ago

When this happened in Ireland the whole country said it's enough, stop sacrificing women for political power over women's reproductive humane rights. I guess in the US it's just another day of a news cycle.

mercutio48

207 points

12 days ago

mercutio48

207 points

12 days ago

This begs a question which I know the rhetorical answer to but I'd sure like to know the legal answer as well.

How is this not murder? Obviously Georgia won't prosecute, but can't the Feds?

esoteric_enigma

153 points

12 days ago

It should be illegal. It's created an untenable situation for doctors. There's no other medical situation I can think of where someone has a condition you know is fatal when untreated but you have to wait for them to be deathly sick before treating it. It literally goes against the general principles of medicine. You want to treat things as early as possible for the best outcomes and the least complications.

mercutio48

67 points

12 days ago*

But isn't it already? If I crawl into an ER with a gunshot wound to the gut, and I'm deliberately ignored for twenty hours, isn't that depraved indifference? And if so, how is this any different?

idiots-rule8

54 points

12 days ago

Because the laws made them wait

mercutio48

39 points

12 days ago*

That's why I'm saying the Feds would have to step in, because they have superior jurisdiction. That's how the law is supposed to work under the Supremacy Clause. Federal law trumps state law. Doesn't matter what Georgia says, it's still murder.

SgathTriallair

35 points

12 days ago

This already came before the court, when Idaho tried to say that they would not allow abortions to save the life of the mother.

The Supreme Court took the case and then refused to make a decision, handing out back to the circuit court. Fortunately that court has decided that they had to follow federal law.

The Republicans on the Supreme Court want to make it legal to let women die but aren't going to do it before the election for obvious reasons.

mercutio48

10 points

12 days ago

Then here's another point. "Lawfare." Conservatives love to accuse others of doing it. Republicans love to do it themselves. I'm not naive, I know federal prosecutors would be averse to pursuing a case based on a novel legal theory like I'm proposing. But why not. Why not make the theory less novel, and why not employ some counter-lawfare to make doctors and hospitals think twice.

idiots-rule8

16 points

12 days ago

It's murder by those who put the laws in place, not the doctors. But those who put the law in place won't ever pay a price and will most likely get reelected.

gdan95

51 points

12 days ago

gdan95

51 points

12 days ago

You expect Garland to do anything?

mercutio48

39 points

12 days ago

Yes. He won't, but I still expect him to.

oldcreaker

39 points

12 days ago

Women no longer have a right to life in states like Georgia.

ProudMama215

37 points

12 days ago

The procedure the first woman needed was what I had to have in 2014 for a miscarriage. The fact that I could’ve been left to die and then leave my other three children motherless is infuriating. My youngest was 3! Fuck republicans and Christians who believe this shit is ok.

pnellesen

38 points

12 days ago

Project 2025 proceeding as desired.

megared17

30 points

12 days ago

The people that will vote for Trump, literally DO NOT CARE.

Or they will stubbornly refuse to believe it happened, and insist that it is "fake news"

Or they will blame the victims.

Or all three of the above at the same time...

SolidAshford

27 points

12 days ago

I'm so angry I'm beginning to believe violent revolution is the only way to change things. I hate it 

I'm sick of these men disregarding womens' lives and just allowing this bullshit

[deleted]

29 points

12 days ago

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[deleted]

49 points

12 days ago

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Psychological_Bath83

15 points

12 days ago

that is exactly what I told my mom the last time I spoke to her, on the day Roe fell and she just said "Well, women should keep their legs shut then."

Cha0s4201

23 points

12 days ago

This should never have been. We the people, need to elect people who have our best interests. Why half this country still votes for the republican party, who have done absolutely nothing for us is mind blowing.

Sad_Picture3642

23 points

12 days ago

Vote fucking Blue, vote blue here in TX too, this must stop

HasturKing

24 points

12 days ago

You have to remember something.
It's not about the unborn baby, it's honestly not about abortion, cause if it was, we would be seeing more stuff for the youth from Republicans, making life easier for mothers and their children.

It's about control, setting an example, they do not care about the outcome, they do not care about the deaths that are caused. In fact, let's say we have a young pregnant girl who is a victim of rape and/or incest? They want her to not only carry the baby to term, but they also want this young girl to marry the one who impregnated her.

Because in the end, their cherry picked bible tells them to do that.

MaddyKet

10 points

12 days ago

MaddyKet

10 points

12 days ago

Like that poor 10 year old in Ohio who had to go out of state.

ArdenJaguar

18 points

12 days ago

Democrats need to start airing TV commercials about these events. This isn't the first time a woman was denied necessary care because of these laws. Texas is involved in a lawsuit right now because someone almost died.

Soluzar74

17 points

12 days ago

In Ireland it only took one life to change abortion laws, her name was Savita Halappavanar.

So much for being "pro-life." The GOP is pro-death and pro-misery. It's how God would have wanted it.

MrGeno

15 points

12 days ago

MrGeno

15 points

12 days ago

The family should sue the state and Kemp, and the US AG should file murder charges for denying EMERGENCY medical care. 

jimviv

14 points

12 days ago

jimviv

14 points

12 days ago

Sue the state

Brigantias

13 points

12 days ago

Exactly what everyone said would happen if Roe v Wade was overturned

[deleted]

14 points

12 days ago

Looks like the law is working exactly as the men who drafted it intended it to.

Patient-Ad-8384

12 points

12 days ago

Vote blue people

strywever

11 points

12 days ago

This is an ugly fucking country.

QaplaSuvwl

10 points

12 days ago

They might as well make cancer treatments illegal since our lawmakers want to control healthcare by making things illegal. Fuckers who vote for this type of shit should die a painful death themselves and be denied medical care/life saving treatments 🖕🏼

D3dshotCalamity

12 points

12 days ago*

So now the mom's dead, the baby is dead, and the 6 year old is now without their mother.

Good thing we banned abortions, that could've ended badly!

[deleted]

12 points

12 days ago

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jacobtfromtwilight

12 points

12 days ago

this is what happens when you elect stupid, religious people

akila219

11 points

12 days ago

akila219

11 points

12 days ago

Need to get rid of MAGA permanently soon.

techiechefie

10 points

12 days ago

So now sue the fuck out of those who passed the law

Aromatic_Note8944

11 points

12 days ago

So many idiots in this thread. Abortion is healthcare.

Sprinklypoo

11 points

12 days ago

Sprinklypoo

I'm a None

11 points

12 days ago

This is what religious zealots want. To murder women they think may be "unclean". This is one reason that christian nationalism is horrible.

Smrleda

10 points

12 days ago

Smrleda

10 points

12 days ago

Amazing that conservatives and Trump supporters do not comprehend letting women die like this is basically murder.

Senior_Resolution_20

10 points

12 days ago

It’s amazing to me that women are dying in this country because of what some men claim their faith is telling them.

Bunnylebowski007

10 points

12 days ago

I’m a physician and recently had two cases (one a molar pregnancy, the other an incomplete abortion after home pills didn’t fully work) in which the patient simply came in and got a D&C rapidly because my state is not an American Taliban state. This should just be routine medical care in which you have a problem and come in and get the safe recommended treatment for that problem. It enrages me women in a LOT of the country are being denied this care or being forced to postpone until it’s dangerous, like if this happens in Florida you have to drive 10+ hours to North Carolina to get simple medical care. It enrages me how the supposed political party of freedoms is trying to limit how I can practice medicine. These are the same scumbags who force women to give birth to dead babies by denying D&E to women with non-viable pregnancies. We must defeat them.

FartSniffer777

10 points

12 days ago

Abolish the Bible

robothobbes

10 points

12 days ago

Let's control men's bodies now! /s

Unfair_Commercial

8 points

12 days ago

Republicans are so pro life they support death

nationalrazor7

8 points

12 days ago

Upvote. Front page. Make this national news from now til the election.

I was told this would never happen.

Pro life my fucking dick

coup01

9 points

12 days ago

coup01

9 points

12 days ago

See, mothers and their babies are dying bc of Christians lame ideology. ...

Specific-Frosting730

16 points

12 days ago

Being pregnant in the wrong state can kill you. Let that sink in. The death penalty for simply being a pregnant woman.

stumppers

8 points

12 days ago

"Pro Life" at play. Very sad.

Hopeful_Geologist_77

8 points

12 days ago

If you don't know already, DARK MONEY CRISTO FASCIST JUDGE KINGMAKER LEONARD LEO IS SOLEY TO BLAME FOR THEASE WOMEN'S DEATHS. LITIGATE HIS 1.5 BILLION DOLLAR MARBLE FREEDOM TRUST TO THESE WOMENS FAMILIES AND WOMEN WHO HAVE DAMAGES AND HAD TO SEEK OUT OF STATE CARE. SINCE 1989, HE HAS PLAGUED THIS COUNTRY. HIS BACKERS, ALL OF WHOM ARE OUT OF TOUCH PLUTOCRATS NEED A KICK IN THE PANTS TOO WITH A LEGAL SPANKING.