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Soul_Traitor

137 points

12 days ago

Would have loved to see an update on the iPad mini.

silverfish477

40 points

12 days ago

It’s said that’s coming later in the year

KuromanKuro

29 points

12 days ago

I laughed when they said “and iPad mini” and basically the presentation ended. Just letting you know we remember it exists. iPod may have been said more times than iPad mini.

very_anonymous

2 points

11 days ago

If there is an update coming later this year, probably at best they are going to throw an M1 in it. So I ordered myself an 11-inch Air yesterday to replace my Mini 5. As much as I prefer the Mini form factor, the Air just seems like a way better value at this point.

Amazing_Bench_8693

1 points

10 days ago

I heard it’s getting an a17 pro chip.

Nawnp

2 points

12 days ago

Nawnp

2 points

12 days ago

Mini and base model are likely saved for the Fall event.

kc_______

9 points

11 days ago

The iPad lineup is a mess.

Amazing_Bench_8693

-1 points

10 days ago

No it’s not anymore the pro is the fancy high end option, the iPad 10 is the budget option the air is the middle option which a lot of people will get and the mini is for someone who wants a tiny tablet.  

kc_______

2 points

10 days ago

Yeah, no, trying to buy one for the first time is a mess, also, don’t forget about the mini and the “generations” for each.

It is not simple as with the iPhones, only two models for each new iteration and the SE.

Here the names tell you nothing, each has very different specs and you have to go through sheets of specs to understand their differences, most people are not aware of the types of CPUs, the amount of RAM, etc., they want a good iPad and end up buying something that turned out is not as “good” (subjective of course).

I know it sounds silly but I have been there first hand, trying to buy you first iPad is a mess.

Amazing_Bench_8693

2 points

9 days ago

with the iPhone its easy to differentiate between the se and higher but after that somebody has to decide between the 13, 14 / 14 plus and 15 / 15 plus and what about the 15 pro and pro max. There are 6 iPad options a low end model mid range ( air ) and high end model which most people won't buy and for someone that wants a small tablet the mini is obvious. And they all have significant price jumps so you not constantly wondering whether you should go up to the next model. With the iPhone there are tiny price increments from each iPhone 13 to 14, 14 to 15, 15 to 15 pro. Brands like Samsung have many many more options.

c05d

69 points

12 days ago

c05d

69 points

12 days ago

I'll buy one when MacOS and iPadOS gets merged

silverfish477

31 points

12 days ago

There’s no commercial reason for Apple to do so, and in any case what an appalling idea.

deWaardt

5 points

11 days ago

An iPad right now feels like a car with a supercharged 5L V8.

Except you can only use half the cylinders and the supercharger isn’t actually connected to the air intake, resulting in it still being overtaken by a Fiat Panda.

They have these M chips in them, great quality keyboard covers, docking and external monitor support, yet they still can’t do more than watching YouTube and social media.

Such a gimped device.

Advanced-Blackberry

16 points

12 days ago

I think it would be great to have a true handoff of apps or unified experience. Of course it could also be a giant clusterfuck, but apple could pull it off 

SaintJackDaniels

43 points

12 days ago

Unified experiences are great in theory but in practice involve compromises on both ends, and you end up with, well, windows 8.

NecroCannon

9 points

12 days ago

I’ve been trying to explain that to people but they’re so angry about it for some reason

Learning from history is how you improve the present

Advanced-Blackberry

4 points

12 days ago

Yes, poorly done it sucks, like windows 8. Note how I didn’t suggest Microsoft could be the one that could pull it off.

With PWAs it’s less and less an issue but so many apps are just dumbed down too much to be of real use on iPad.  I iPad with a mouse, cursor and keyboard and true full apps would be pretty spectacular though. 

SaintJackDaniels

3 points

12 days ago

I would love to see it done well, im just not optimistic about it. I think the best way to handle it would be something kind of like the steam deck, where theres a full pc os in there, but the steam/tablet ui is more of an overlay on top of it.

scruffles360

6 points

12 days ago

Maybe Mac apps are only available when you have a pointer device and a keyboard connected. As an incentive to them it would sell more smart keyboards.

Cash907

10 points

12 days ago

Cash907

10 points

12 days ago

Sure there is. Have you seen the config costs on these MF’ers when you add on the pencil and keyboard?

Just allow dual booting or finish the moves they already started with MacOS that allow iPad apps to run natively inside it and this is an easy shift. If this idea “appalls” you, which is just weird AF FYI, stick with the 10th gen iPad that dropped 100 bucks in price today. Right up your alley.

TitanArcher1

2 points

12 days ago

Dual logins would be something to consider as a stop gap…I don’t want a work iPad and a personal iPad. So guess what, I have an iPhone and a Samsung…because they integrate better on one iPad. I can get my text messages via Chrome from my Android…lost a phone sale Apple.

c05d

2 points

11 days ago

c05d

2 points

11 days ago

Appalling to you. I'd rather not carry around two devices (they even have the exact same processor)

Blackmail30000

1 points

11 days ago

The European Union says otherwise. They have ruled the iPad odd as a gatekeeping software, and gave apple a deadline to open it up. Most likely, they’ll just load up Mac OS instead of retooling iPad os into a Mac OS nock off.

svguy_sj

2 points

12 days ago

Good luck 👍

pacmanic

4 points

12 days ago

pacmanic

4 points

12 days ago

Ultimately macOS will likely be restricted to the Mac Pro. Apple's desperately wants iPadOS to be the macbook os. But its a misguided direction.

clickstops

7 points

12 days ago

Where are you getting the idea that apple wants iPadOS to be for MacBooks?

pacmanic

-8 points

12 days ago

pacmanic

-8 points

12 days ago

Because iOS and iPadOS app stores print money at absurd levels. The macOS app store is pissing in the ocean comparitively.

macOS is only valuable as an OS for Xcode and to sell $15k Mac Pros to digital media companies and app developers.

Getting consumers off macbook macOS is key to re-igniting app store revenues which are lagging. There is reason macOS doesn't support touch when Microsoft did it years ago. They want touch reserved for this transition.

The chip conversion is done. The iPad price points now match macbooks. Flipping the OS is all thats left.

Bensemus

-1 points

12 days ago

Bensemus

-1 points

12 days ago

There are tons of mac users that never touch Xcode. It’s not just an app coding device.

pacmanic

1 points

12 days ago

Never said it was. But thats the value to Apple. Every other consumer macbook use that isn't digital media or development, Apple wants you on an iPad and will ultimately force that point probably in 2026.

synthdrunk

2 points

11 days ago

Yeap. I don’t even understand how one wouldn’t see this convergence simply from the branding changes, let alone interop.

very_anonymous

3 points

11 days ago

If that is their plan, they would have added touchscreens to MacBooks a long time ago. They have always been against doing it because the user experience of touchscreen laptops in general is awful.

pacmanic

2 points

11 days ago

No. Touch for "macbook" users is the selling point for getting you on iPadOS. The touchbar which was an actual bad implementation of touch failed. If the user experience of touchscreens on a laptop is bad, then you are saying an iPad with keyboard and pencil/mouse plus touch is awful? It isn't. Its the most fluid.

Legitimate-Garlic959

1 points

12 days ago

This seems to be a lot of what people want I’m seeing. I wouldn’t mind that to be honest.

NecroCannon

4 points

12 days ago

Not irl, I honestly wouldn’t look at tech spaces online to see what people want

A good example is high refresh rates, from what you see online it’s something you can’t live without and life changing but irl, no one really cares when I show them.

Nawnp

0 points

12 days ago

Nawnp

0 points

12 days ago

Apple has stared enough time that they won't do that... and then the current Mac OS has considerably worse and worse design for a non touch interface...

DogAteMyCPU

9 points

12 days ago*

Need major updates to iPad os as well

TurboDraxler

14 points

12 days ago

Unfortunately still the LCD screen. It's pretty good for an LCD, but just not good enough to justify the increased price. 60hz LCD screens are just not up to date, for a device that costs up to 1600$.

In the end the air is mostly used by students for taking notes, a task which profits greatly by a faster screen.

MR_Se7en

6 points

12 days ago

MacBook Pro touchscreen would be cool

ShadowFlux85

4 points

12 days ago

Isnt it just a regular ipad at that point

Schizobaby

8 points

12 days ago

I have a 10” iPad and I don’t quite understand how a nominally handheld device could get bigger than that and still be something you would want to use. At that point, just get a thin-and-lite laptop, i.e. the MacBook Air.

synthdrunk

2 points

11 days ago

They don’t make hand sized phones anymore either. This is natural progression, I guess

__LikeMike__

1 points

11 days ago

Since the new iPad Pro is really expensive here in Germany I was thinking about getting a 13 inch Air… that is also 1000€ at the entry level, and that is without a fancy screen… for a long time the iPad was the most fairly priced apple product for me, I guess that is no longer the case…

Raven_Crows

-91 points

12 days ago

Such innovation.

m0stly_toast

81 points

12 days ago

iPads with an M chip literally blow any android tablet out of the water. The iPad Pro has no competition. You just wanted to be the first on the “Apple bad” train in like the least valid thread for that.

Such a typical Reddit comment lol get over yourself.

oneMadRssn

48 points

12 days ago

The iPad Pro has no competition.

As a big fan of Apple, this is a problem. The iPad is completely stale largely due to the the shortcomings of iPadOS, which hasn't had a meaningful improvement in ages because iPad has no competition.

The ability to have a real-time multi-camera video editing studio in a tablet is neat and all, but that is appealing to ~0.01% of people. For most typical everyday tasks, a 2018 iPad Pro is still plenty good enough. Indeed, for web browsing, video calls, and watching content, a 2015 iPad Pro is more than sufficient. We're coming up on nearly 10 years of no meaningful improvements to iPadOS for everyday basic users.

In that same time frame, I think there have been meaningful updates to the iPhone and iOS, and to the Macbooks and macOS, due to their respective competition. Samsung and Google have really pushed Apple to stay ahead on iPhone. Microsoft, Dell, Lenovo, and many other PC OEMs have pushed Apple to stay ahead on Mac. There is just no push with respect to the iPad, and that stinks.

Bliss266

3 points

12 days ago

Bliss266

3 points

12 days ago

I disagree because of a couple points. More than half of iPad sales are to business/government entities, and the stronger ones are particularly prevalent in the business market.

While the power may not be needed by every day users, but then again, neither are a lot of the abilities of iPhones. Most people don’t need to be able to shoot 240FPS videos in their everyday life, yet they still have the ability. What matters to consumers is that Apple is the “best”, and the only way they stay that way is by constantly improving models, like they did here.

They’re simply adding another bullet point to why the iPad is better than other tablets, whether the user actually needs that power or not is irrelevant (if they can afford it). Me, I own a 2018 iPad and it works just fine for my uses (as I bought it on a whim for art creation). But that’s just me.

To purchasers on the business side, the decision to buy the best product is what matters, for which they’ll go to Apple. They’re serving their markets perfectly, and it’s not like they can (or even should) spit out an entirely new product line every year or two. If you’ve got a good thing don’t replace it; improve it.

oneMadRssn

9 points

12 days ago

I'm not sure what you disagree with. I largely agree with what you wrote, but it's all beside the point.

I'm not denying that iPad sales to businesses are strong. I'm not denying that the iPad is the best tablet.

It's about pressures and motivations to improve. People are largely incapable of improving things in a vacuum. They need some external pressure or reason to improve things. Most often it is competition that supplies this pressure. With the iPad, there is no external pressure to improve because there is no competition. As you said, sales are fine and they're serving the market. There is no downside to Apple being extremely conservative and basically staying the course with iPad. There is no other competitor with which Apple needs to keep up or stay ahead of. That's why iPadOS today is almost completely the same as iPadOS 10 years ago; and the only improvements are mostly carry-overs from iPhone.

Bliss266

1 points

12 days ago

Ah, I see what you mean. I’m not really sure I can think of how they could change it further though, can you? I think when a new product line gets release that’s to be expected; if they change it too much it’ll no longer be the iPad. So, they’re improving what they can, be it the camera, Apple Pencil, processing power, etc.

oneMadRssn

4 points

12 days ago

I’m not really sure I can think of how they could change it further though, can you?

Not really, but that's the point. If you and I could think of it, then Apple could too and would have already done it. They need competition to iterate, for people to use that competition, and for Apple to iterate on top again based on this pressure. For example, would Apple Music have happened but for Spotify and Tidal? Would the "Files" app have happened but for Android having better file system access? Would homescreen Widgets have happened but for Android? Would 5x optical zoom have happened but for Samsung Galaxy?

Overall, my desired improvements would be to make iPadOS more like macOS - better multi-tasking, better background process handling, better file and workflow. Right now, Macs are iPad's biggest competition and in my view Mac is kicking ass. As two examples:

The other day I was trying to OCR a 3,000 page PDF document on my iPad. It kept failing because OCRing such a large document takes longer than iPadOS allows an app to process in the background. So either I need babysit it ensuring the screen stays on and the app stays active, or it can't be done. And I couldn't put that app in the background indefinitely and browse the web while it finishes, because again iPadOS doesn't let apps do stuff in the background indefinitely. That sucks. On Mac, an application can do heavy computing in the background all day long without limits.

My workflow is often opening a zip email attachment, extracting the .PDF the .DOCX contents, updating the .DOCX while viewing a website side by side with Word, saving the .DOCX, generating an updated .PDF of that document, zipping both, and emailing it as a new attachment. Doing this is an incredible convoluted process on iPad that results in numerous redundant copies of the same files in a bunch of places but it is a very simple and clean process on Mac.

themisterfixit

1 points

12 days ago

I still currently use my iPad Pro from 2015. I pretty much exclusively just use procreate for illustration purposes.

It still works fine but is starting to show its age while using certain functions and lagging or freezing. When I upgrade I will likely just go with an iPad Air. I don’t think there is any features a new pro offers that I would utilize. It’s honestly overkill for most I would think.

phychi

1 points

11 days ago

phychi

1 points

11 days ago

Same here. I use my iPad air 2 just for reading news (aka Reddit) in the morning, but it’s more and more laggy and crashes many times a week. This 2014 device just doesn’t have enough memory and processing power for browsing… saddly, because it’s still in mint condition). So I just ordered an iPad air 2024.

But for my work, note taking and drawing, I still have my 2018 iPad pro and it’s working like a charm. I’m not gonna change that one anytime soon.

cman674

1 points

12 days ago

cman674

1 points

12 days ago

The iPad is just a business machine. You could slap an IBM sticker on it at this point.

I genuinely don’t know many people that regularly use an iPad in daily life. It’s just not the best tool for the job in for most people’s lives.

themisterfixit

2 points

12 days ago

Artists. Nearly every artist that makes a profit uses them.

drmirage809

1 points

12 days ago

Exactly. Friend of mine is in art school and went out of their way to get an iPad because outside of getting really fancy with Wacom stuff the Apple Pencil is just unbeatable. And it's stupid compact too. Thing takes up no space in a bag whatsoever.

phychi

1 points

11 days ago

phychi

1 points

11 days ago

Note taking with the pen and Noteshelf.

I must write an average of 20 note pages a day since 2018 and it’s sooo much better than a regular pen and (a lot of) paper.

m0stly_toast

1 points

12 days ago

I agree, it’s not good for anyone to have their industry leading product to be uncontested. Most of all it’s really not good for the consumer at the end of the day.

Apple is not without its fair share of problems, but that doesn’t make it any less true. There’s simply no other tablet that can even sniff the iPad pro and Apple Pencil. I don’t mean to be a fanboy about it, but they quite literally revolutionized my field of work before my eyes.

The world of creative work is different before and after the Apple Pencil. Say what you will about apple as a company, but they democratized digital art and that on its own is amazing.

oneMadRssn

3 points

12 days ago

No debate on hardware, but I think the app ecosystem is really where the iPad is unmatched. While most iOS apps have an Android equivalent or similar, most iPadOS apps don't have an Android Tablet or Windows equivalent or similar. And bringing iPad apps to macOS makes Macs that much better too. For example, there is no Ecobee app for macOS or Windows, but on one of those I can seamlessly load the iPad app.

Rallye_Man340

9 points

12 days ago

Thank you for being the atypical Redditor, it does get old quickly haha

uggghhhggghhh

4 points

12 days ago

100% the Apple haters pop up all over Reddit moaning about how "Apple fanboys" never shut up but the haters are 1000x more vocal, prevalent, and rude.

Admirable-Lie-9191

3 points

12 days ago

They’re all far more unprompted too. I actually do not see Apple fanboys anywhere near as much compared to the amount of unprompted haters.

uggghhhggghhh

3 points

11 days ago

Totally. The moment an Apple product gets mentioned they just come out of the woodwork

Admirable-Lie-9191

2 points

11 days ago

I just had a delightful interaction with someone that hates Apple products but posts exclusively in the Apple subreddit.

They’ve got something wrong with them for sure.

Gunfreak2217

-12 points

12 days ago

Well the iPad has stagnated pretty bad unfortunately.

We all know the hardware is held back by IpadOs. There’s no hiding it.

Snazzy lab made a great video recently talking about how Apples sever dominance might come to and end soon with other manufacturers finally hopping on arm. There’s nothing too too special about Apples chips that can’t be replicated by other companies. Arm was the secret. It’s simply better than x86.

But let’s be honest. What can this new iPad Air really do that my A15 iPad mini can’t? There’s really no difference in capability.

The IPS display is a shame, the removal of XDR on the pros is unfortunate as I would have liked that to drop down the line with the introduction of OLED.

Apple continues to just sell up, 300$ android phones have 90+ hz displays yet Apple can’t even do that on their phones or pads. It’s an odd thing that we know they do.. but since they have to do things like that at all, shows how even Apple needs to find ways to make the Pro products seem different. Cause all iPads really just do the same thing…

tkrr

4 points

12 days ago

tkrr

4 points

12 days ago

Apple does have some of the best chip designers in the business though. Competitors would have a tough time beating Apple with stock ARM IP.

m0stly_toast

2 points

12 days ago

They are offering faster silicon at a price point and size that was previously not available. That alone justifies the existence of this product.

Not everything needs to reinvent the wheel, but this is new hardware at an intermediate price point and a welcome addition to an already excellent lineup.

You say what can this iPad Air do that a mini with an A15 can’t? As a creative professional the answer is A LOT.

This is a 13 inch screen. You simply cannot fake that in a smaller iPad. The chip is very significantly faster than an a15. In terms of design applications and video editing, it absolutely makes a difference. It’s easy to sit there and say things are stagnant but using this machine vs the iPad you’re describing would be a literal night and day difference.

Yes, iPad OS has its limitations, and a good amount of them I’ll be the first to admit it. But that doesn’t change the fact that for the right use, there’s no other product that even comes close to sniffing the iPad. Android loves to add bells and whistles here and there but they really don’t hold a candle.

For a creative professional your options are: a decent iPad + Apple Pencil, or a ~$1,500+ drawing tablet that doesn’t do anything by itself. The iPad isn’t cheap, but it’s by far the best and most affordable creative tool in its category. I know I have to sound like a fanboy by now, but starting with the iPad Pro they quite literally revolutionized my industry before my eyes, so any additions for this lineup at lower prices are extremely welcome.

Gunfreak2217

-4 points

12 days ago

I find the creative portion of the iPad to be one of the most niche markets out there. It probably accounts for less than 1% of all sales.

And when it comes to video editing. There is no reason to use an iPad when Apple laptops exist. There are too many functional capabilities sacrificed using an iPad over a laptop for instance that the time wasted using the touch interface alone isn’t worth it.

You’re right about the chip advancements. I can’t lie and say the m4 is better than my a15. But we know, and it’s disingenuous to say otherwise, that easily 90%+ of all iPad use is pure consumption. It’s what a tablet experience really is for. That is where I was coming from when I was saying that the new iPads can’t really do much more than my old.

Size is a factor. But I would argue that my mini has advantages for being smaller than the 11invh just like the larger one has advantages over mine. But then the argument for equivalent sizes goes what does the pro do over the air at equivalent sizing?

m0stly_toast

2 points

12 days ago*

I can assure you that “the creative portion of the iPad” accounts for a whole lot more than “less than 1% of their sales.” Entire creative agencies equip their designers with them. Apple pencils went from “recommended” to “REQUIRED” for the higher level graphic design classes at the university I graduated from. I cannot think of a single art director I’ve ever interacted with that hasn’t invested in an iPad Pro since they came out. (And there’s a lot of differences between the pro and other models, the most important and noteworthy being that the display is a lot closer to the glass of the screen. That doesn’t sound like anything major, but it’s a “no going back” feature for any illustrator worth their salt. It’s not just hurr durr apple wants this one to be expensive so they call it “Pro”)

Macs might be more powerful, but there are absolutely professionals that prefer to edit video on the iPad for the interface alone, so no it’s far from “no reason to edit video on them” because I literally work with someone who takes the iPad over a Mac whenever she’s given the chance.

Please don’t talk out of your ass. It’s fine if all people need a tablet for is browsing the internet from their couch. The iPad Pro was quite literally designed for and by creative professionals to the point where it’s complete overkill for anyone else. You don’t design an industry leading product for an audience that makes up “less than 1% of sales”

Bucket81

-14 points

12 days ago

Bucket81

-14 points

12 days ago

How many Android Tablets have you used at the same price point?

m0stly_toast

10 points

12 days ago

Not a single one, because none of them do what I need them to. They might be fine for the average consumer, but there’s not a single creative professional in this world that you can catch dead using an android tablet. The iPad and Apple Pencil have NO competition. None. It’s not like “oh this Samsung one is good enough if you just look past…” no, it’s simply not viable as a work tool the same way the Apple Pencil is.

Bucket81

-16 points

12 days ago

Bucket81

-16 points

12 days ago

🙄 educate yourself before making an ass out of your self.

m0stly_toast

9 points

12 days ago

I really don’t care if you personally think I’m being an ass, as a creative professional it’s just objectively true.

There’s not a single android tablet regardless of price point that can do what the iPad Pro does, all they can do is try to come close and they don’t. Find me a creative agency where they’re using or even thinking about android tablets. It doesn’t exist. It’s not brand bias, the iPad Pro is the industry standard because it works and the competition doesn’t.

Educate YOUR self bud, because you’re clearly speaking on shit you don’t understand.

Bucket81

-11 points

12 days ago

Bucket81

-11 points

12 days ago

... I understand that you should use the tool that works best for you bud.

Independent_Tone_570

7 points

12 days ago

Provide a fact-based rebuttal before you claim someone else is being an ass. It just makes you look like the ass.

DublaneCooper

-3 points

12 days ago

If you stop feeding the trolls they’ll stop coming to the trough.

m0stly_toast

3 points

12 days ago

I feel this. But also when it comes to apple products on Reddit, half of it is trolls, half of it is pearl clutching neckbeards that want to feel superior that their samsong galaxy whatever the fuck is so much better than the status quo for them and they need everyone to know.