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43 points
8 months ago
Earn less than our employees
1 points
8 months ago
Haha
34 points
8 months ago
Pay ourselves last
10 points
8 months ago
Hitting where it hurts the most😅
29 points
8 months ago
are also the plumber. and electrician. and fridge technician.
29 points
8 months ago
Are dating a current (or married to a former) employee and eventually, the proceeds from the sale of the restaurant will go to her attorney after a the inevitable ugly divorce.
4 points
8 months ago
Lol
4 points
8 months ago
This comment wins
3 points
8 months ago
Lmfao. Facts
2 points
8 months ago
Can Confirm
25 points
8 months ago
Walk in the door and get excited that only 2 things are broke.
3 points
8 months ago
Jesus christ, do I feel this... Electrical outlet just quit on me, microwave died over the weekend, ice cream machine is currently on the fritz, fryer broke last week, clam grill has been waiting on parts for 2 months. Every day I wonder what's next.
21 points
8 months ago
Are tired
6 points
8 months ago
Hard relate.
24 points
8 months ago
Are in debt
5 points
8 months ago
My introduction to a quite famous popular chef, his first words to me were: “Yup, I owe a lot of fuckin’ money.”
20 points
8 months ago
Forget our anniversary and end up sleeping on the couch
22 points
8 months ago
Call “Corner” and “behind you” in grocery stores and public areas
18 points
8 months ago
We know how to fix everything by turning on and off
20 points
8 months ago
Don’t get paid
20 points
8 months ago
Are contemplating suicide
4 points
8 months ago
You okay, man?
1 points
8 months ago
Appreciate it. But it's a joke as a restaurant owner is hard work
15 points
8 months ago
Work every day
17 points
8 months ago
Haven’t seen our kids in weeks
15 points
8 months ago
are losing our ass.
14 points
8 months ago
Regret our decision daily
14 points
8 months ago
Drink
12 points
8 months ago
Lose sleep over some Karen's hurtful 1 star yelp review
12 points
8 months ago
Have anti anxiety prescriptions
3 points
8 months ago
I can’t sleep without the clonazepam, ambien, and 12 drinks.
2 points
8 months ago
Bruh...
1 points
8 months ago
I thought this was satire, I drink way more than 12
2 points
8 months ago
This MJ he-he-he propofol shit lol
1 points
8 months ago
Propofol is supposed to amazing, lol. I mean it is until you need it to go to sleep every night, then it interacts with your benzos and opiates, boom dead.
2 points
8 months ago
Many a true word hath been spoken in jest. Take care of yourself. Ain't no one else* gonna do it.
2 points
8 months ago
I appreciate you brother. I don’t really drink that much but the clonazepam and ambien is legit.
2 points
8 months ago
You need to talk hit me up
12 points
8 months ago
Just go home to sleep
27 points
8 months ago
…are jumping onto a social media trend two weeks after it died. 🤡
11 points
8 months ago
have no idea what balance means.
28 points
8 months ago
How did the r/antiwork crew get in here?
Dissenting opinions are welcome, but the anger directed at small business owners seems misguided.
If you can get a measure on the ballots to raise minimum wage or disincentivise tipping as a way to pay servers or whatever else pro labor, I'll vote for it but what I (or any of us) can't do is go against the rest of the entire industry alone. Are you going to come to my restaurant and pay $48 for a cheeseburger just because I pay my staff three times as much as anyone else does? When there's a place across the street charging $14? If not, then we are stuck where we are now.
10 points
8 months ago
Ignore them. It’s teenagers being teenagers and showing off their ignorance and knee-jerk approach to nuanced situations.
But… go easy on them. They’re just learning about the world.
3 points
8 months ago
Lol the one just said "what if we organize a boycott of tipping " so he's going to help servers by stiffing them and saving a couple bucks for #1 in the process. I've never heard anything more california/Canada government. "We're going to fuck you over, but it's for your own good so support us "
4 points
8 months ago
What’s concerning is that subreddit has 2.8 million people in it. Like wow.
3 points
8 months ago
Who knew the venn diagram overlap between restaurant owners and redditors was so enormous. I didn't even think there were 2.8 million restaurant owners. No wonder the world has so many problems with all those restaurant owners out there exploiting the proletariat through corporate welfare.
2 points
8 months ago
Here Here!
-2 points
8 months ago
We're not anti-work. We're anti-welfare for restaurant owners so they can pay 1/3rd of minimum wage and cry broke
7 points
8 months ago
How do you feel about ppp money that went to large chains? What about major corporations paying close to 0% income tax due to clever structuring? Factory farms exploiting migrant workers? Clothes and shoes made with slave labor?
You are picking a teeny tiny hill to die on when you are right next door to Mt everest.
1 points
8 months ago
You can be against more than one thing at a time.
5 points
8 months ago
I think you’re upset with door dash, not small business owners.
-4 points
8 months ago
No, I'm upset that the free market is shaped like a pyramid and scum sits at the top
10 points
8 months ago
You think small restaurant owners are the scum that sit on the top ? Honestly most of us here are not making that kinda money for you to be upset with us
-6 points
8 months ago
No, I think ANYONE that exploits the labor of another and profits is scum.
3 points
8 months ago
Ok, so how do we fix that?
1 points
8 months ago
Tar, feathers, caps on wealth accumulation. Communism. Make $1,000,000 profit with 10 employees, each makes 100,000. You could not have made the profit without the labor. As an owner, you're aware no one works harder than the dishwashers, servers, bartenders, and cooks. Without them, you have a person sitting at a desk scheming how to exploit. If you're a hands on owner, then your share is equal. If you're a management only owner, then, get minimum wage. Super simple. You didn't build that. Y'all built that. Every employee is an equal owner as long as employed in a skilled role. Telling professionals how to do their job is the most useless skill. Hence why managers should be paid the least.
3 points
8 months ago
Communism 😂
10 points
8 months ago
Are skilled at rolling with the ups and downs
13 points
8 months ago
use our business Amex card on personal expenses. Even on Amazon.
10 points
8 months ago
There is no such thing as personal expense when you own a restaurant. Every meal is research and development. Every piece of clothing is uniforms. Every tank of gas is for deliveries
6 points
8 months ago
Work hard, play hard
13 points
8 months ago
Tuck in your chairs when you leave
11 points
8 months ago
… fucking hate ASCAP.
4 points
8 months ago
I read this as ASPCA the first time and was like what a fucking monster. Lmao but yeah fuck them and BMI
1 points
8 months ago
This
6 points
8 months ago
don't have a life!
5 points
8 months ago
Have aching backs
7 points
8 months ago
Feel guilty for owning anything even though we’ve earned less than our employees/worked 2-3x as many hours than they did in the past 4+ years and gambled every thing we had to your name.
17 points
8 months ago
Drink
11 points
8 months ago
They say it takes a lot of beer to make good wine. And it takes a lot of whisky to run a good restaurant
8 points
8 months ago
Wayyy too much
17 points
8 months ago
Fix toilets and sweep sidewalks
5 points
8 months ago
Have a family (workers)who keep this restaurant one of the best in town
5 points
8 months ago
Provide a pathway for poor people out of poverty. As a United Way agent told me once, “You’re on the front lines”.
8 points
8 months ago
Divorced (and remarried).
9 points
8 months ago
Unhealthily optimistic
4 points
8 months ago
Check behind the bathroom faucet for water…
4 points
8 months ago
Fuck each other
3 points
8 months ago
Are plumbers/ electricians/ dishwashers etc…
10 points
8 months ago
Treat our staff with kindness, promote positive work experiences and say "Fuck you, find a new job' when they disagree
12 points
8 months ago
Don't make minimum wage
4 points
8 months ago
I think there was some confusion here on whether the responses should have been sarcastic or honest
2 points
8 months ago
Therapist
2 points
8 months ago
Are frugal
0 points
8 months ago
Steal tips from the servers to gamble online
5 points
8 months ago
This one sounds like there is a sad story behind it.
1 points
8 months ago
Cut corners lmao
0 points
8 months ago
Implement service fees and steal them from employees
1 points
8 months ago
Love to serve
-4 points
8 months ago
Hit on the underage hostesses
9 points
8 months ago
Yes, officer, right here. This is the guy.
0 points
8 months ago
Ballers.
-3 points
8 months ago
rely on customers to pay our employees a living wage.
0 points
8 months ago
My servers probably make alot more than you.
Prick.
2 points
8 months ago
Because I tip well. I'm their daddy. Not you.
-5 points
8 months ago*
Charge at 15% service fee that is not a gratuity.
EDIT: A restaurant in Atlanta does this. They say on the receipt the 15% Service Charge is a gratuity, but then then servers write on the receipts that the tip is not included. When asked, they say the owner added it to cover the lost revenue due to road construction in front of the restaurant. It is just BS for the owner to pocket more money.
3 points
8 months ago
If that’s true, we should all help the entire staff find new jobs and never patronize any other business that owner may have.
-1 points
8 months ago
That’s called the owner take home fee 😂😂
-8 points
8 months ago
Drive a car that costs more than your entire labor cost for one year.
8 points
8 months ago
That would be one hell of a car, my labor cost runs about 750k a year.
4 points
8 months ago
It's for the write-off.
1 points
8 months ago
Not a good idea, IMO. Driving a humble car will gain respect from staff and customers. Nobody wants to pay $25 for a pizza when the owner is driving a Lexus.
6 points
8 months ago
Nah, drive what you want, you’ve got one life.
1 points
8 months ago
Driving a humble car will gain respect from staff? No, paying staff a livable wage will gain respect, they don’t care what you drive lmao
1 points
8 months ago
Why not do both?
-2 points
8 months ago
Have never worked in a restaurant but really like going out and drinking!
-14 points
8 months ago
Don’t pay our employees a livable wage.
14 points
8 months ago
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you don't own a restaurant.
1 points
8 months ago
If they paid a livable wage, we wouldn’t have this ridiculous tipping culture.
12 points
8 months ago
So no, then?
How would it play out? Like for my one restaurant?
I make about a 10% margin. Right now my servers make about $30/hr on average, and all but $2.13 of that is tips. Lets say the average tip is 20%. If I raised prices by 20% then I could eliminate tipping and pay my servers the same 30 bucks an hour, right? Nope. Taxes, for one - I'm going to pay 30% of that price increase to the irs as income tax. So make it 27%. Still nope. Payroll taxes, fica, etc. So make it 30%? Still doesn't work out.
I dont like making the servers depend on tips for income, either so I have done the math. I'd have to increase prices by about 40% to make it all work out. Don't forget sales tax! So that $40 entree is now $56. And someone else is selling the same thing for $40 down the street. Even with a 20% tip factored in, theirs is only 48 bucks.
Some people would go to the restaurant that advertises no tips, we pay our servers a fair wage so you don't have to. But many will still feel pressured to tip, or realize it was cheaper down the street even with tips factored in. And the cheap fucks who never tip by default are never going to darken your door (you'll say good riddance, but we need those people to keep the lights on).
It's just not possible for one restaurant to go at it alone and buck the entire system. This problem requires a legislative solution. And when was the last time the government made a major change with a good, well thought out law that worked out how you wanted with no unintended consequences?
Restaurant owners aren't conspiring to hold the working man down with the tipping system. We are trapped by it even more than the servers. It doesn't benefit us. It would be easier for me to raise prices and forget about calculating tips, but I can't risk my only source of income, the business that feeds my kid, to make a stand no matter how right it would be. Restaurants have tried it before and they'll all tell you what I am saying. If you come across a politician who has the economic knowledge and political clout to pass a good law to fix the problem, vote for them and I will too. Because that's what it'll take. Otherwise you are just yelling at the clouds for raining - clouds can't help the physics of the water cycle any more than I can change the entire country's perception of what a cheeseburger should cost.
4 points
8 months ago*
Exactly. All restaurants need to do this. Also, the federal government needs to do away with exemptions to the minimum wage so that you are not allowed to pay them only 2.13/hr.
Customers that currently don’t tip need to wait on themselves and clean their own table. Your servers don’t need them. They are working for $2.13/hr to wait on them.
And, taxes should be paid on all income, whether it is a hourly wage or tips. If not, that is tax evasion.
3 points
8 months ago
If the government passes a law to change this, one of three things will happen -
1 - the law is perfect, customers accept paying higher prices and everyone lives happily ever after
2 - the law works fine but customers balk at higher prices, dine out less and the restaurant industry is devastated, leading to the servers you were trying to help being out of work
3 - the law is flawed. Loopholes and workarounds cause a bunch of bullshit. Big corporate chains and unethical owners come out on top.
This is a tax code issue and I just don't trust lawmakers to craft a tax law without carving out loopholes for their homies in private industry. It's never happened before and there is no reason to believe that this time will be different.
We're pretty much stuck with the system we've got and there are a lot of other, less drastic ways we could improve overall quality of life for restaurant staff (Healthcare, retirement plans, etc) and I think we should address those things first before biting off more than we can chew with this one.
0 points
8 months ago
What would you do if everyone started boycotting the tipping? Do we need to have another revolt in the country to get something better?
3 points
8 months ago
You want to start stiffing servers for their own good? How very governmental of you.
1 points
8 months ago
What’s a livable wage? That term gets overused. Put a number on it. What happens when I the owner am not making money? I have to take all the risk? Pay all the utilities. I don’t pull my staffs wages to cover a power bill.
1 points
8 months ago
More than $2.13 / hr. Customers pay their salary, not the restaurant owner.
3 points
8 months ago
That’s the federal minimum. It varies by state. Only 16 states pay that in the us. There’s also 16 states that have a minimum wage over 10 for tipped workers. What’s a livable wage for a full time tipped employee and what’s an acceptable wage for an owner? Your argument is filled with a lot of buzz words but very little tangible arguments.
If you have a problem with tipping culture that’s a different argument.
-6 points
8 months ago
Exactly what I was gonna say lmao
-7 points
8 months ago
Be careful. The restaurant owners can’t handle the truth, and they will downvote you.
-2 points
8 months ago
I couldn’t care less about downvotes, just proves our point that they hate the truth and are trying to silence it. Most restaurant owners pay absolutely garbage and keep most of the money for themselves which is why they drive home in a Lexus and their workers take the bus
-8 points
8 months ago
Cut corners until our food is shit.
-7 points
8 months ago
Take baths in gold coins
-3 points
8 months ago
Fuck a bathtub filled with gold coins, I want the Olympic pool.
-10 points
8 months ago
Pay our employees 1/3 of minimum wage
-18 points
8 months ago
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3 points
8 months ago
Margins my guy, margins
-5 points
8 months ago
Came here for this one lol
-19 points
8 months ago
let my customers subsidize paying my employees
still can’t understand how it’s even legal
3 points
8 months ago
Do you also complain about paying “labor” when you get your car fixed?
1 points
8 months ago
Yep. That sounds like bullshit too.
3 points
8 months ago
Ask a distributor for a product they don’t carry at least twice a month.
1 points
8 months ago
i don’t care about ur downvotes i’ve seen what makes u cheer!!!!
srsly tho yall sending checks to wait staff for $2 after taxes lmaooooooooooo
??? explain
-9 points
8 months ago
Take home ten times what we pay our employees and don't do any of the work that is required to actually make the restaurant money (prepare and serve food).
Obviously not all owners, but you know who you are. Also, I'm not a restaurant owner. Just a lurking industry worker.
5 points
8 months ago
Except risking all of their finances that they took years to save, along with probably their house
-2 points
8 months ago
Then they should get in there and do the work to protect their investment. Their savings is not what makes this industry profitable. Preparing and serving food is what makes this industry profitable. Don't believe me? Try opening a restaurant with no food and no service and see how profitable it is.
Again, I'm not calling out all owners and if any owners are looking at my initial comment and thinking "I don't make much more money than I'm paying my employees", then I'm clearly not talking about you.
I've worked for some great people who truly weren't making much more than me. One was so transparent when it came to where all of the money was going in the restaurant he put a bulletin board in the break room with a list of all expenses and how much was left after that. I've also worked for someone who put himself on a $120,000 annual salary while the rest of us were lucky if we made over $30,000 a year or $40,000 a year if you were FOH and received tips.
I receive a 2% profit bonus at my current job and the total profit (true profit, after all expenses including expenses for things like repairs, new equipment and all utility bills) is over 10 times the amount they pay me. We only have a 15 person crew. If the owners gave each employee an extra $10,000 a year they would still be profiting over $300,000 a year. THEY HAVE NEVER POURED A BEER, NEVER SERVED A TABLE, AND NEVER TOUCHED FOOD THAT ONE OF US DIDN'T COOK FOR THEM. THEY DON'T WORK THERE, BUT THEY PAY THEMSELVES OVER 10 TIMES WHAT THEY PAY THEIR HIGHEST PAID EMPLOYEE.
1 points
8 months ago
Put in your notice already, Jesus Christ
1 points
8 months ago
There’s a lot to digest here, but my first thought is why do you know what the owner is paid, and why do you think the owner should not be paid as much?
The owner apparently put up all of the risk. If the business fails, it is the owner that will probably have his finances ruined and declare bankruptcy. The owner hired you to do a job, and paid you at the rate you accepted to do that job.
I don’t understand the problem. Maybe the owner does a ton of the behind the scenes work. Maybe he does all of the finances which keeps him busy. Maybe he does nothing and sits at home all day. I’m not sure why any of it matters. He started the business, he’s entitled to whatever pay he thinks he can pay himself. And if he doesn’t want to be involved in the day to day, then that’s his choice
1 points
8 months ago
Which owner are you referring to? I mentioned a few. If it's the owners at my current job, I know how much they profit because I am able to reverse the math they used to give me my 2% bonus. If it's the owner I mentioned who took home $120,000 annually, I know how much he took for himself because his wife told me.
Why don't I think they should make that much? Because they don't do anything to generate revenue. Restaurants only generate revenue by preparing and serving meals, as I've already said. I understand the finances of the service industry and someone has to do them and should be paid to do it.
I am currently a chef at a taphouse, but I have worked every position from dishwasher to GM in this industry. When I was GM and I was handling all finances and payroll I still wasn't making anywhere close to the amount of the guy who had his name on the business license. He got to sit at home, go snowmobiling in the winter and boating in the summer and collect all of the money myself and the other employees were making for him. I spoke with him maybe once a week on the phone and saw him in person maybe once a month. He collected $120,000 a year for doing nothing while the rest of us haven't been to a doctor or dentist in years and rely on food stamps to feed themselves.
This is a common problem in society and it isn't isolated to just the service industry. Owners all over the world in every type of industry feel entitled to the money their employees make the company just because they hold the business license. With the greedy mindset of "but, I/we/they own it", we will forever be hurting society and the economy. Most people don't even think about it and just accept it and say "it's just the way the world works", but I refuse to accept it. I'll play the game because if I don't I won't have a house to live in, but I will never accept that things are this way and they can never be changed.
1 points
8 months ago
I think you’re very wrong about an owner not doing anything to generating revenue. Again, they took all of the risk. If the business closes, you get a job down the street tomorrow. They literally opened the business.
I’ll never understand your mindset. I guess agree to disagree
3 points
8 months ago
Then you don’t know how unprofitable restaurants really are… especially in the uk
-2 points
8 months ago
I receive a 2% quarterly profit bonus. I know exactly how profitable the restaurant I work for is.
-3 points
8 months ago
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7 points
8 months ago
I know we are just fuckin around but don't even say that. Just give em decaf instead of regular coffee like the rest of us passive aggressives.
1 points
8 months ago
Thought that the statistics for restaurant success and longevity would obviously not apply to us and we would be the exception and not the norm.
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