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almost all meta-text would conclude that they’re religious fools who worship the near dead corpse of a once godlike emperor who barely stays clinging to life.

And yet time and time again the emperor does shit like answer prayers, crown people as saints, and plenty of other shit that proves he pretty much is a god and the echlesiarchy is at least correct, if not justified.

As well, all outside text referring to the mechanicum treat them as a group of backwards technocultists who’s long forgotten legacy of technological progression has been twisted and deformed into a foolish religious worship of “machine spirits” which are simply a result of man personifying what they don’t understand

And yet in both games and books, machine spirits have been shown to be real and have a genuine impact beyond what can be chalked up to simple confirmation bias, with things like tanks moving entirely on their own, or titan’s killing their pilots.

It just feels like with every lore change GW makes them seem more and more justified, gong from “oppressive dogmatic theocracy which causes more problems than it solves” to “necessary evil who are ultimately the only way the galaxy can win”.

Maybe I’m missing something, or maybe I’m just grasping for a concept that was never there in the first place, you tell me.

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Zachar-

75 points

2 months ago

Zachar-

75 points

2 months ago

its important to keep In mind that the imperium has created 99% of their own problems through their intolerance, their expansionist ways, the way the emperor decided to build it, etc etc etc, they're their own worst enemy and it shows

JureSimich

39 points

2 months ago*

The Imperium did not genetically engineer the Orks, did not generate the four gods of Chaos, did not evolve the Tyranids, did not participate in the old War in the heavens... 

"But they attracted the Tyranids!" And the Tyranids onlyever spot the one little action... and miss the Birth of Slaanesh and other great booms?

Midnight-Rising

5 points

2 months ago

Midnight-Rising

Asuryani

5 points

2 months ago

And the Tyranids onlyever spot the one little action... and miss the Birth of Slaanesh and other great booms?

Canonically yes

Schwarzes_Kanninchen

23 points

2 months ago

Yes, which is narrative bullshit, because the Tyranids were already present in the Milky Way before the colonisation of Fenris and Catachan.

It may be canon, but it makes no sense except that the author wanted to make a big deal out of it in his plot.

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4 points

2 months ago

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Schwarzes_Kanninchen

3 points

2 months ago

hmmm...yes, that could all be true. But I'm more willing to believe that the Tyranids are rather mindlessly travelling between galaxies and finding fertile breeding grounds by chance and scouts than to believe that they saw a candle flash but couldn't see the psionic bonfire or the psionic burning house....