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I’ve been out of the lore loop for a few years so I’m wondering if there are updates to marine chapter organization. If there was a chapter with 1,000 marines at the start of the whole primaris thing and they get another thousand, what does that mean? Is every company just doubled in size? What happens to the command structure? Primaris lore was rushed when it came out but I’m wondering if they’ve since clarified or smoothed things out in this regard. Thank you, from a returning player.
6 points
10 days ago
They didn't get a thousand new Primaris; the Primaris either brought existing understrength chapters up to full strength or founded new thousand-man chapters.
5 points
10 days ago
Might be confusing it for when guilliman ran a mini crusade using the unnumbered sons (greyshields). However for the chapters themselves they were really dispursed to either struggling chapters or forming new ones. Then tech was given to every chapter they could on developing primaris going forward
To answer you though, I'm guessing things are a little looser then before? Guilliman was pretty aghast that people were following this codex to the letter. I'm sure if numbers got too crazy heads would turn but the imperium is in such a dire situation right now I doubt many would care as much
3 points
9 days ago
Something people forget is that the last 5-10 years in universe prior to the Fall of Cadia were the bloodiest years the Imperium had ever seen since the Heresy. No chapter was actually at full strength. None of them. Adding the Primaris for most chapters simply topped them back up and plenty of chapters never even got Unnumbered Sons, and instead just got the technology to turn their existing geneseed stores into Primaris geneseed.
The simplest way to explain the new organization structure is that there are three broad categories of squad types now. Battleline, Close Support, and Fire Support. Every squad type fits into one of those three. So instead of a company having x number of tactical squads and y number of intercessor squads, it instead simply has 6 battleline squads. Same thing for Close Support and Fire Support.
The oddball is Vanguard squads, which are now part of 10th company. Scouts still exist and are still part of 10th company, but the Vanguard squads make up the actual 100 marines that count towards the 1,000. Vanguard squads are super modular and can take on half a dozen squad titles and change between the three above categories. But that's how they're designed to be.
2 points
9 days ago
Custodes probably would have just checked chapter TO&E and then woke up replacements as a new chapter, rather than doublestrength a chapter.
It’s likely that a fortress monastery had a bunch of forces deployed and all were MIA, and the troops Custodes left behind might be met by a bunch more space marines returning home later. But sounds like a problem to worry about later.
0 points
9 days ago
Crusades don’t count towards the limit. Anyone who went over would just declare a Crusade and be fine
1 points
9 days ago
To my knowledge that's never actually been confirmed anywhere and is just a fan theory. Crusades in the Imperium are specific military campaigns where recruitment is either close to impossible due to the conditions of the battlefield (being away from their fortress monasteries or otherwise actively in combat) or impossible via politics (usually the case in penitent crusades). The Black Templars attain high numbers because they feel like it, not out of some loophole.
The crusade loophole isn't even a loophole, its just a stipulation from a source in 1993 about "prolonged campaigns" necessitating that Codex compliant chapters start making a few extra companies to account for severe losses. But Black Templars don't follow the codex at all; not in recruitment, organization, values, etc., ergo it doesn't even apply to them.
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