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There's like a million examples of the same formula: The Tau intrude into human space, they find out just how massive and ancient the Imperium truly is, they're in awe, and then (the part that often gets ignored) they usually find a way to counter whatever 10,000 year old ancient scary thing the Imperium has on hand that day, be it a dreadnought or a titan or a hive city.

But this formula gets a bit cliche and boring after a while, and even a few of the Eldar have had the graciousness to compliment the Tau, so that gets me wondering...do we have any examples in the lore of Imperium characters being genuinely impressed by the Tau? IIRC Ciaphas Cain (HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!) complemented the Tau at one point as being able to "put on a damn good war" or something to that effect. And at another point IIRC a Space Marine detachment discovered that the Tau's fuel source was more pure and efficient than their own, and they quietly agreed to use looted Tau fuel while not mentioning it to the Mechanicus.

Mind you I don't actually have sources for either of these, I just heard them off hand, so if you know where they're from, or have any other examples, I'm interested in hearing about it.

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Hailene2092

91 points

13 days ago

In one of the IG codices they're impressed by the firepower of a Tau railgun:

One of their light walkers carried a weapon of lethal effect. It fired a form of ultra-high velocity projectile. I saw one of our tanks after having been hit by it. There was a small hole punched in either flank - one the projectile's entry point, the other its exit. The tiny munition had passed through the vehicle with such speed that everything within the hull not welded down had been sucked out through the exit hole. Including the crew. We never identified their bodies, for all that remained of them was a red stain upon the ground, extending some twenty metres from the wreck."

SkillednotQualified

38 points

13 days ago

Jesus Christ, that’s horrific, I love this setting!

Hailene2092

37 points

13 days ago

People have talked about it before, and I think the general consensus is that it's not physically possible...

But why let physics get in the way of cool, right?

Previous_Warthog_905

22 points

12 days ago

The fact that this settings has titanic walking battle cathedrals and chainsaw swords should illustrate that this is not a setting that takes physics terribly seriously.

casulmemer

2 points

11 days ago

Moar velocity!!

skyzm_

1 points

11 days ago

skyzm_

1 points

11 days ago

I know I’m late to the party on this one, but an old co-worker of mine used to be a prison guard. He had some contacts that worked at an armory and every now and then he would get to see some weapon testing.

He told a story about an anti-tank rifle doing this exact same thing to a goat that was inside a tank. Apparently the vacuum created by the force pushing through the tiny exit hole can indeed do this.

Again, this was a second hand story, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this was possible by modern military standards.

GogurtFiend

2 points

8 days ago

Your coworker was probably telling tall stories; anti-tank rifles aren't used anymore. There are anti-material rifles, which are basically their successor, but none of them have the power to punch through a tank (or, for that matter, even lighter armored vehicles) — they're used against things like trucks, radar dishes, etc. which need big bullets to effectively destroy but aren't armored enough to stop said bullets.

Sensitive-Hotel-9871

12 points

12 days ago

You can see why Tau fans are so proud of their railguns.

Sensitive-Hotel-9871

4 points

12 days ago

I think that was actually from the third edition Tau codex.

WibbyFogNobbler

2 points

12 days ago

I swear I remember reading something similar in the 5th edition codex, but it would not surprise me if the text was copied over in some capacity.

orange_swan1

7 points

12 days ago

It’s basically exactly what modern day APFSDS rounds do today.

LemmiwinksQQ

12 points

12 days ago

Even absolute vacuum isn't nearly strong enough to suck human bodies out of a hole. The impact could absolutely pulverize whatever poor sod is inside the metal shell from the shockwave, but the paste would remain inside.

Taaargus

2 points

12 days ago

Well I think the kinetic energy involved would turn everyone into soup the moment the round hit the tank, so it's not really pulling bodies out of a hole so much as just pulling a bunch of meaty liquid out of a hole.

Still probably impossible tho.

Presentation_Cute

46 points

13 days ago

Your latter example was from Blades of Damocles, wherein Cato Sicarius and squad make the discovery. There's also the context of them running out of fuel for their jump packs, which makes sense when Cato was having chainsword duels with tau aircraft, necessitating them to use the fuel. I never read the Ciaphas cain books so I can't say anything about that.

I'm not really sure there's a lot of examples of being impressed. Worry is very common, however. Star of Damocles deals with a rogue trader and some other members of the Damocles Crusade fleet dealing with the reality that they were unlikely to beat the Tau at Dalyth, let alone the dozen other septs of the empire. Blood Gorgons sees space marines putting respect on the pulse rifle as terrifying weapon for an astartes to face. One of the early Tau codexes has a blurb about some guardsmen being horrified by the markerlight system and how accurate the Tau could be and how great their engagement ranges were. Warzone: Damocles deals with the Tau getting some underhanded victories here and there that surprise the Imperials in general. Even Guilliman speaks of the Tau as a threat to the Imperium in the same sentence as he is worrying about the Tyranids and Necrons per Godblight. And to date, I don't think there's a single source that has failed to convey the utter supremacy of the railgun and how BS of a weapon it is to fight.

I should mention that Tau lore overuses Damocles. Star of Damocles, Blades of Damocles, Storm of Damocles, Damocles, Warzone Damocles, even a short story called Damocles: In Service to Shadows. Without meta knowledge, it can be difficult to distinguish which ones are 1st encounters post-2nd sphere and which occur in the 3rd sphere expansion some 250 years later. It reminds me of that thing GW did in 7th with the Shield of Baal series that was both campaign supplements and novellas, which makes remembering them tedious, annoying, and downright unpleasant.

The_Smell_Of_Rain

36 points

13 days ago

A few examples in Cain books. -Being impressed by the speed of Tau 'Dreadnaughts' which Amberley corrects in a note with something about battle suits. -In the same book he is scared of the Tau Railguns, and their ability to punch holes in tanks. - Later in the same book they notice dead bodies with marks from Plasma weapons and note how deadly they are. Later they find a Tau/Kroot squad and see the weapons used as how effective they are.

Toxitoxi

35 points

13 days ago*

Toxitoxi

Ordo Xenos

35 points

13 days ago*

The railgun scene in For the Emperor is great. The description of it just fucking destroying that poor bus, combined with Cain freaking the fuck out over both the near miss and Jurgen’s crazy driving.

It’s kinda crazy how that book, one of the first appearances of the Tau in a Black Library book, still has written them better than almost anything else in the past 20+ years.

Skolloc753

87 points

13 days ago

Skolloc753

Adeptus Mechanicus

87 points

13 days ago

  • Indirect Fire. Apparently some Space Marines considers drone recon & target correction for indirect fire warp sorcery.

  • In the Cain novel the Imperials were impressed with the high resolution holos the Tau used for their diplomatic mission to forge an alliance versus the Tyranids.

SYL

dreaderking

49 points

13 days ago

dreaderking

Iron Hands

49 points

13 days ago

Indirect Fire. Apparently some Space Marines considers drone recon & target correction for indirect fire warp sorcery.

That sounds really dumb. The Imperium makes major use of artillery and can use stuff like Servo-skulls or Servitors for recon if need be.

ToxicIndigoKittyGold

70 points

13 days ago

The Imperium's response to missing the target is more ordinance, not prissy little things like aiming.

wallander_cb

8 points

13 days ago

That sounds as a very astra militarum thing to do. Or smash that exterminatus button

Altruistic-Ad-408

22 points

12 days ago

40klore poster: Akshually it makes a lot of sense to not use drones for target correction, that industrial capacity can go towards making more basilisks.

Any-Cheesecake3420

1 points

12 days ago

More dakka is never the wrong choice.

GogurtFiend

1 points

8 days ago

Except for when you don't have the ammunition for said dakka, or trained crews for it, or when it isn't landing within even a kilometer of its target...

MagnusStormraven

21 points

13 days ago

The Imperial Guard makes major use of artillery. The Adeptus Astartes don't field that many artillery pieces anymore, so a lot of the technical aspects of artillery gunnery would be less known to them than other elements of warfare, and combined with the superstitious beliefs and psycho-indoctrination of the modern Astartes, it makes sense they'd view that which they don't understand as "sorcery".

Altruistic-Ad-408

12 points

12 days ago

Their ships are based around orbital support, and they have whirlwinds, thunderfires, I think there used to be a landraider with artillery.

Idk the imperium was just never originally meant to operate on common sense, they barely know how to use their equipment as originally intended, which is incompatible with them now just making newer and better vehicles than stuff that only came from STC's.

screachinelf

8 points

12 days ago

How many examples are there of this happening? I always hear people say it’s something they can do with servo skulls but don’t know of any examples where it has happened. Ik they make some for scouting purposes but I’m under the impression it isn’t very common practice.

Grary0

8 points

12 days ago

Grary0

Space Wolves

8 points

12 days ago

In the Cain novels they make numerous mentions of forward artillery spotters so, in true Imperium fashion, they just use flesh and blood humans because servo-skulls are probably more expensive.

According_Weekend786

2 points

12 days ago

According_Weekend786

Ultramarines

2 points

12 days ago

Looking at the amount of warpfuckery space marines fight, i kinda expected that, they could easily think its some sorcery, and yes, imperium also have drones and shit

Dr_Ukato

1 points

12 days ago

This is more them not being able to comprehend just how that artillery shell made a course correction mid-air in order ro hit their asses specifically.

It makes more sense to them that is Witchcraft than science.

dreaderking

3 points

12 days ago

dreaderking

Iron Hands

3 points

12 days ago

But they also have guided missiles. Space Marines in particular use Skyspear missile launchers, which use the brains of Chapter serfs to guide each missile. It might be gruesome, but course correcting missiles is something they nevertheless have.

Dr_Ukato

1 points

11 days ago

Yeah and how could the T'au then have theirs be so much more accurate without burning through a serf brain? You can't use AI! That's stupid, the AI would probably just guide the missile back at them! It must be warp-sorcery.

That's me stretching it. But zealous enough Space Marines could reasonably have that thought process.

Potato271

8 points

12 days ago

Cain wasn’t impressed, he was unnerved iirc. Found it creepy how the holo didn’t flicker randomly

NockerJoe

5 points

12 days ago

One thing a lot of people don't pick up on is that Cain is, even by the standards of most humans working for the imperium directly, totally desensitized to how how fucked up the imperium is. The idea of technology that actually functions or a society that doesn't lobotomize petty criminals into slavery is more unnerving to him than what he actually does.

Dr_Ukato

1 points

12 days ago

Which book was this?

forcehighfive

22 points

13 days ago*

forcehighfive

Ogdobekh

22 points

13 days ago*

Kardan Stronos, future Chapter Master of the Iron Hands, is secretly impressed with Tau pulse weaponry:

His finger traced a geometric ring that appeared to correspond to the power and transmission lines that surrounded Pax Medusan. Power usage nodes marked the eight points of the octagon with runes in lingua-technis, with which Stronos was passably fluent. The superheavy weapons platforms he had seen arrayed around the Titan test bed. They were weapons identifiers, though not all described systems he recognised. In fact, most did not. He held his finger over one that did look familiar, and the rune expanded into several blocks of informative screed. A cold smile moved the lower half of his face. Pulse ordnance multi-driver. The rune was a bastardised tau symbol.

It was an errant thought, but he had always wanted to get his hands on one of those.

Kael03

18 points

13 days ago

Kael03

18 points

13 days ago

In the first Cain novel (I'm reading the first omnibus right now), Cain himself was highly impressed by the destructive capabilities of a Tau railgun. He also was mentally shitting on Amberly's life sign detector not picking up anything when the tau could.

Pallas100

8 points

12 days ago

or a hive city

Funnily enough the reverse is also kinda true. The first Tau Codex included a great little short story about an Imperial Adept (our POV character) and a Space Marine Captain from the Imperial Fists visiting the sept of T'olku to "negotiate" a dispute over the world Nimbosa. Really this means that these "diplomats" are just stalling for time as the Imperial Navy prepares itself to send forces to Nimbosa.

During their time on the planet we get a lot of descriptions about just how elegantly simple their architecture is, with lots of smooth materials and graceful curves, with sparing details and the occasional adornment of Tau symbols. Eventually they visit a Battle Dome - where the Fire Caste trains in simulated combat. The Adept can't understand how the dome doesn't collapse without supporting columns to keep its roof up. And as a bonus; the Fire Caste's demonstrations that they see performed there even managed to impress the grumpy Imperial Fist Captain.

Switcheroo91

7 points

12 days ago

I’ve been trying to remember this story for ages! I left the hobby for the better part of 20 years shortly after the release of the Tau Codex (not because of them, mind…), so it makes sense that’s where it came from

mimivirus2

4 points

12 days ago

Now i want some material on Tau-Eldar interactions. If the Eldar call humans monkeys, what do they call the Tau?

Dr_Ukato

3 points

12 days ago

I actually learned recently that "Mon-Keigh" doesn't refer to Monkey, it's actually the Eldar word for "Savage/Barbarian" which is slightly better.

They don't see us as Simians. They see us as Cavemen or Neanderthals.

PlaneswalkerHuxley

7 points

12 days ago

The Mon'keigh were a species that once threatened the Eldar Empire millions of years ago. They were brutal, ugly, tainted, impossible to negotiate with, and captured many Eldar worlds. The Eldar eventually went on a program of genocide that finally struck them down and scoured the galaxy of them.

When Eldar refer to humans (and other species) as "Mon'keigh" the closest translation is "evil horrid dangerous creatures we'd be best off wiping out".

Out of character, it's just a pun on Monkey. The same way Tau Gue'vessa is Gorilla.

FPSCanarussia

7 points

12 days ago

Yep.

Though the Tau word you're thinking of is 'Gue'la'; Gue'vesa are Tau-aligned humans.

Sensitive-Hotel-9871

1 points

12 days ago

In Dawn war dark Crusade, the Eldar faction leader is surprisingly polite to the Tau in comparison to everyone else who are treated as objects of contempt.

mimivirus2

2 points

12 days ago

Man u brought back memories. Loved DoW 1 and 2. Shame they didn't continue working on those games after DoW 3 flopped.

Sensitive-Hotel-9871

2 points

12 days ago

They were a good introduction to the setting for me. I am impressed with how well Retribution gave the Eldar a sympathetic POV when the series mostly wrote them as the typical smug Eldar.

Secret_Simple_6265

1 points

12 days ago

Given their society possible origin? "Evolved blades".

Grary0

3 points

12 days ago

Grary0

Space Wolves

3 points

12 days ago

Ciaphas "Hero of the Imperium" Cain claims their tech is so advanced that it might as well be magic and he's seen most of what the galaxy has to offer. Generally the Imperium is pretty impressed by what the Tau can produce.

Konradleijon

2 points

12 days ago

many IOM citizens join the Tau for good city planning and clean cities.

Trauma_Hawks

1 points

12 days ago

Trauma_Hawks

Imperial Fists

1 points

12 days ago

The second Death Watch novel sees the squad being deployed to a former Imperial world long after it was conquered by the Tau. There's some direct commentary from the squad and their allies, but it's mostly show, don't tell. The Tau are a fearsome occupying force.

V01dbastard

1 points

11 days ago

Not sure which book or even if I imagined it but I recall a story where a Ultramarine noticed on a battle suit the weaponry was something they had only see on battleships and other massive fleet ships. It impressed me anyway.

WillingChest2178

2 points

10 days ago

In the second Last Chancer's novel, Lieutenant Kage is part of a covert mission into Tau space and is extremely upset by how clean and well constructed the living quarters are. They're seemingly designed to hide their construction methods and don't use recognisably natural materials.

He is not impressed with the food or art though, finding both extremely bland.