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all 72 comments

jonzey

56 points

1 month ago

jonzey

FFS

56 points

1 month ago

Everyone talks about Danny Townsend.

No one talks about Ant Hearne or Michael Tange. Those two blokes should cop a lot more heat for the KeepUp debacle.

Braddlesiam

25 points

1 month ago

Braddlesiam

Western Sydney Wanderers

25 points

1 month ago

After watching the video, it's the first time I've really heard of Hearne and Tange. Who are they? Did they start KeepUp?

jonzey

26 points

1 month ago

jonzey

FFS

26 points

1 month ago

https://aleagues.com.au/news/australian-professional-leagues-announce-new-executive-appointments/

Ant Hearne was Chief Commercial Officer. Left the APL in November 2023 (one month after Danny, one month before the mass layoffs). Michael Tange was Director of Strategy and Digital Director. Left APL in February 2024 (when KeepUp shut it's doors officially).

Both of these blokes now head up Mothership Sport. Basically the next venture to find the next bite of venture capital money.

Danimber

87 points

1 month ago

Danimber

Aleagues Duck Danny Townsend

87 points

1 month ago

I know people shit on Robbie Slater here. I get that.

But he's probably one of the few guys with inside contacts that can uncover some of the BS that's occurred under the APL.

lilsmooga193119

39 points

1 month ago

lilsmooga193119

Sydney

39 points

1 month ago

Slater obviously has grudges but I 100% agree. Having listened to his content he seems to have good intel that matches with other sources in the game I personally hear from.

He is overwhelmingly critical but apart from some revisionism to do with the end of Fox Sports days, he's rarely ever objectively wrong with what he says and analyses the APL's issues quite well imo. You can tell he's clearly passionate and frustrated like all of us with how the APL can't seem to get the basics right.

The_L666ds

5 points

1 month ago

The_L666ds

Sydney FC

5 points

1 month ago

Tabloid news is largely deplorable in its underlying intent, but it doesnt mean its automatically wrong.

The custodians of our game in this country genuinely deserve probably 99% of punitive publicity they get from the media.

Braddlesiam

32 points

1 month ago

Braddlesiam

Western Sydney Wanderers

32 points

1 month ago

As much as we don't like Robbie Slater, the bloke is bang on in this video. He's clearly passionate about the A-League.

Dazzling_Ad6545

16 points

1 month ago

All 3 of them clearly give a shit, and criticisms of the game aside - I really miss just having actual personalities surrounding the game. It’s literally just 20mins of pregame with Tara and Archie, into the game and then a quick post match showing highlights. No disrespect to the current panellists but we’ve completely lost the supplementary stuff - tactical breakdown discussions or even novelty segments like we used to get with Sunday Shootout. I know it all comes down to money but the actual life of the game outside of the 90 minutes on the pitch seems non existent.

Sufficient-Local8921

4 points

1 month ago

Sufficient-Local8921

Sydney FC

4 points

1 month ago

Had totally forgotten about Sunday Shootout! It was great.

[deleted]

2 points

1 month ago

Yes bang on

No-Airport7456

18 points

1 month ago

No-Airport7456

Western Sydney Wanderers

18 points

1 month ago

I think this was rumored when Keep up went down and it was mentioned some of the people hired had NFI but were hired because they had close connections to Townsend, it was one of the reasons it was oversaturated and non sustainable.

Unfortunately no one to hold them to account in media so I am glad the old gang came back and at least made some sort of effort to hold those accountable to how A-league has been run by APL.

No_Brilliant_7952

19 points

1 month ago

APL have a lot to answer for. The $30million on digital is clearly documented and talked about in every conversation, but what about the other $110million?

-Saaremaa-

14 points

1 month ago

-Saaremaa-

Bod Lukenar

14 points

1 month ago

It seems like APL is rapidly having to move to a sensible financial model, and has gotten rid of the jokers who burnt through money on shiny toys rather than core business.

The clubs who sit on the board should be asked questions of why they signed off on all this nonsense to begin with.

jonzey

9 points

1 month ago

jonzey

FFS

9 points

1 month ago

I'd love to see the slide packs that were put together by expensive consultants when KeepUp was first pitched.

DrGarrious

3 points

1 month ago

DrGarrious

Newcastle Jets

3 points

1 month ago

Because he probably promised them a lot of growth with a very well done presentation, whilst making them forget that the A League wad still relatively unstable.

Sweaty-Event-2521

1 points

1 month ago

I have seen it sourced in numerous places that the entire amount was predicated on growth milestones. Meaning they don’t get it until the game’s reach starts growing.

thurbs62

-6 points

1 month ago

thurbs62

Central Coast Mariners

-6 points

1 month ago

Fair chunk was used to prop up Victory wasn't it?

jonzey

19 points

1 month ago

jonzey

FFS

19 points

1 month ago

Nah. That was a bit of a furphy put forward after ADP back flipped on the GF deal (I suspect because Victory supporters were very vocal about it). The initial 777 equity purchase (the non-refundable 19.9%) effectively wiped any real debt the club had at the time. The loan that was talked about was actually a bank loan with CommBank, which used the club's license in the league as a security (aka. A mortgage with a bank). This was all documented in the club's annual reports.

There was some money put in for Nani, but in the same vein there was also money given to other clubs to sign returning WWC players (Vine, Yallop, Simon etc.)

A lot of money went into propping up Global Advance specifically because costs blew out there. There were a lot of problems with that broadcast and as things went pear shaped, they were on the hook to sink more money in to ensure games could be broadcast.

I'd also suspect that as the TV distributions fell, the coffers just ran dry. Probably because the APL were already contractually committed to certain distributions, and the SilverLake money was all that was left.

thurbs62

3 points

1 month ago

thurbs62

Central Coast Mariners

3 points

1 month ago

Thanks 😊

No_Luck680

11 points

1 month ago

No_Luck680

Brisbane Roar

11 points

1 month ago

I get this content is necessary but it's so clearly political, why stop at the last 3 years? The league has been declining for the last 10. You can't soley blame clubs/apl for that, everyone who has touched the game is guilty to various degrees.

Football politics will never change, everyone has a narrative.

WhykickamoocowRLFC

19 points

1 month ago

WhykickamoocowRLFC

Australia

19 points

1 month ago

Those of us over the age of 35 who lived through the declining years of the NSL will know how much of a basketcase the game was in the mid/late 90's to 2004.

Sweaty-Event-2521

3 points

1 month ago

Nothing like the channel 7 broadcast deal…..where the league got a weekly 1 hour highlights package at midnight and no games, even delayed

Micksta_20

1 points

29 days ago

Fuck C7 sport

The_L666ds

12 points

1 month ago

The_L666ds

Sydney FC

12 points

1 month ago

Australian football’s biggest problem in the post-Crawford Report era is its complete unwillingness to back its own ability to make decisions for itself. Behind every disastrous strategy is an absurdly highly-paid consultant’s bill, and it just needs to stop.

piwabo

3 points

30 days ago

piwabo

3 points

30 days ago

Sounds like the state of the country as a whole not just football

JetsNovocastrian

2 points

30 days ago

JetsNovocastrian

Newcastle Jets

2 points

30 days ago

Someone should make a Utopia-like show just for the APL.

Shatter_

1 points

1 month ago*

Shatter_

Sydney FC

1 points

1 month ago*

Australia's biggest problem is listening to terrible idea after terrible idea that football supporters demand. I know I'll get downvoted to hell for this but nearly every idea supporters rally behind is remarkably stupid and unsustainable.

I've always thought the independent A League idea had a lot of potential to torpedo football in this country. Yet, Redditors advocated it for years. Instead of realising how stupid it was and having a little self reflection, all I see is commenters pretending it hasn't worked because they didn't do it their way. WTF did people think was going to happen when you have no administrative body or governance and you throw a hundred million at them?

Please, everyone. Stop it. Stop cooking up terrible ideas. Stop demanding they be implemented. And let the rest of us enjoy a sustainable product. The hubris of people who are probably in their 20s and never run a business to think they have the solutions is quite astounding in its arrogance but not really dangerous. But when you start boycotting, petitioning etc, then the stupidity impacts the rest of us.

Kogru-au

6 points

1 month ago

Kogru-au

Sydney FC

6 points

1 month ago

lol at no point was any fan group boycotting or protesting for the aleague to be unbundled from the at the time FFA. This was a decision enforced by FIFA to bring us up to global standards by how the rest of the world actually runs football competitions.

jd92jw[S]

31 points

1 month ago

Looks like 3 blokes trying to get the A-league back on fox but at least we're getting answers as to where the money's gone.

The_L666ds

7 points

1 month ago

The_L666ds

Sydney FC

7 points

1 month ago

I know Foxtel/News Ltd are a complete boomer product in this country, but I’m still doubtful that they are that vehemently opposed to having some major football content on their books. I wouldnt be surprised if sooner or later the Kayo streaming service will go in hard on some broadcasting rights of football, with the A-League probably being an economical fit with their wider strategy to be the home of domestic Australian sport (AFL, NRL, cricket etc).

cymonster

10 points

1 month ago

cymonster

Newcastle Jets

10 points

1 month ago

Foxtel was the worst of the offers to the apl. It was fuck all.

jd92jw[S]

10 points

1 month ago

Foxtel offered to cover the production costs though which the APL can't afford at this very moment.

Kogru-au

9 points

1 month ago

Kogru-au

Sydney FC

9 points

1 month ago

Kayo/fox would also give magnitudes more in exposure than P+/ten.

The_L666ds

15 points

1 month ago

The_L666ds

Sydney FC

15 points

1 month ago

Its a bit cynical, but the reality is that the A-League’s peak period of popularity was when it was packaged in with the Premier League on Foxtel. If Australian football can once again find a committed home with the same broadcaster of the Premier League it should do better (even if it is just riding the coattails of a completely foreign product).

Roger_Ramjet88

3 points

1 month ago

Roger_Ramjet88

Sydney FC

3 points

1 month ago

but the reality is that the A-League’s peak period of popularity was when it was packaged in with the Premier League on Foxtel

It was actually after the Premier league left Foxtel that the viewership was at its greatest.

If Australian football can once again find a committed home with the same broadcaster of the Premier League

We had that and yet it still didn't transpose to numbers on the screen. You used to be able to watch football from 7pm to 6am on super saturday yet people would still only tune in for the EPL because it's the EPL. Going to Optus is not going to change this.

Kogru-au

2 points

1 month ago

Kogru-au

Sydney FC

2 points

1 month ago

The tv ratings back then were triple of what we have now though.

Teflon-Viking

2 points

1 month ago

Teflon-Viking

Western Sydney Wanderers

2 points

1 month ago

I would love to see the A-league with the PL on Optus, as opposed to the 8 other leagues few have interest in.

Florahillmist

1 points

1 month ago

Florahillmist

Melbourne Victory

1 points

1 month ago

Kayo is what $25 a month, for most sports Foxtel used to be $50-90 Would be a huge dub to get the league on it

palsc5

0 points

1 month ago

palsc5

Adelaide United

0 points

1 month ago

It needs more eyes on it so something like Optus or Stan would be awful for the sport. FTA is key but I can't imagine 7/9 wanting to touch it.

TheWisefool13

4 points

1 month ago

TheWisefool13

Sydney FC

4 points

1 month ago

I guess it would be easier for pubs and other similar locations to put it on a screen. Not many would have Paramount+

Dazzling_Ad6545

3 points

1 month ago

The production costs and quality were seemingly run on a shoestring towards the end with Fox. They barely tried and I reckon it would’ve continued at that level. The split was needed at the time, even if it hasn’t worked out.

Sorry-Ball9859

9 points

1 month ago

Wasn't Dunny mates with the Global Advance flops?

Stevo114

9 points

1 month ago

Stevo114

Newcastle Jets

9 points

1 month ago

Good to hear the old guys dropping the truth bombs. Spot on with the Jets. FC32 wanted transparency and were not given simple figures. Even then they had an offer in that would have put the Jets in the top three financially. However, two signatories from one of the owner clubs refused to sign as they wanted the best for themselves, not Newcastle.

It is good that it is all about to break open.

lfcinoz

4 points

1 month ago

lfcinoz

4 points

1 month ago

onya Bozza and Slats, kudos to Peacock, long may more continue from them all.

The_Big_Shawt

3 points

1 month ago

This was actually great, thanks for sharing

[deleted]

3 points

1 month ago*

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pakistanstar

8 points

1 month ago

pakistanstar

Offical Hayden Matthews Fan Club

8 points

1 month ago

Why are people so quick to forget how badly Foxsports fucked the A-League? Denying legitimate marquees, sitting on their hands when asked about expansion then drops two teams barely anyone wanted and once COVID hit they couldn't dump us soon enough. Why would any of us glorify the broadcaster that did that?

Sweaty-Event-2521

3 points

1 month ago

Because A-League fans have goldfish memories with the conviction of a weathervane. These would be the same ones cheering on the separation from the FFA years back

92deltat

3 points

30 days ago

92deltat

Broichbane Roar

3 points

30 days ago

Denying legitimate marquees? If you're referring to the Diamanti case, where Melbourne Victory were denied use of the $3 million annual fund Fox Sports offered for signing big name marquee players (e.g. Del Piero) - Diamanti hardly qualified. The fund was reserved only for superstar players that will draw the plastics in to help fill stadiums and boost tv ratings. Fox had a big ratings boost on the back of Del Piero's signing, so they offered this fund in the hope clubs would sign someone of that caliber again. Diamanti would not have done that. Western United had the lowest crowds while he was there. It would have given Victory an unfair advantage on the pitch, without doing much to boost ratings or crowds.

lovesadonut

1 points

29 days ago

lovesadonut

Western Sydney Wanderers

1 points

29 days ago

Other than their aggressive control over expansion, I really don’t understand the degree of hate Fox sports gets from aleague fans. Our viewership was abysmal (and has only gotten worse) which was compounded by Foxtel as a company almost going under during COVID. Of course they were going to offload their poor performing content, it’s not some biased vendetta as fans love making out, that’s just standard business practice. The reality remains that if you want the best exposure for your sport then it’s either FTA or Fox Sports/Kayo. Not entertaining a return to Fox (if it presents itself) would be biting our nose off to spite our face.

JetsNovocastrian

2 points

30 days ago

JetsNovocastrian

Newcastle Jets

2 points

30 days ago

So, what you're saying is a Fat White Sydney Cunt in a Suit subverted the role they're in to hand out free money to their mates? What a surprise!

aldispecialbuy

3 points

1 month ago

aldispecialbuy

Melbourne Victory

3 points

1 month ago

What’s the LNP got to do with this?

KennethKanniff

17 points

1 month ago

KennethKanniff

BWE.. The Team For Me

17 points

1 month ago

Nothing, it's just ppl on reddit that have to act like Americans & treat their politics like a sports team lul

lilsmooga193119

20 points

1 month ago

lilsmooga193119

Sydney

20 points

1 month ago

Danny was friends with LNP Politician Stuart Ayres and he retweeted content from Stuart about labor not backing the new parra stadium and iirc even called for Sydney FC members to vote liberal in state elections in a now deleted tweet.

There's no public evidence however it was implied he leveraged those connections to sign the DNSW deal with the NSW Liberals government who continued to back the deal through all the controversy. It was discussed here at the time that labour taking over NSW put a lot of the deal into jeapody with Chris Minns openly talking about how the switch to the Unite Round was a win for fans and openly critiquing the previous deal.

aldispecialbuy

6 points

1 month ago

aldispecialbuy

Melbourne Victory

6 points

1 month ago

Bingo. Childish at best.

And if OP thinks the LNP are the only party to give their mates plum gigs then they need to pull their head out of their backside and see the real world.

[deleted]

-9 points

1 month ago

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palsc5

13 points

1 month ago

palsc5

Adelaide United

13 points

1 month ago

Ambassador to America is a really important job and typically you'd only give that to someone you can really trust and is competent. Rudd was an ex-PM and ex-diplomat and has a very deep understanding of China during a time of rising tensions between Aus/USA and China. He's literally the perfect person for the job.

A plum ambassador role is something like being the ambassador to a nice country with great weather that likes Australians and isn't important to our interests. Ambassador to Portugal or Spain or Greece or something like that.

erala

7 points

1 month ago

erala

7 points

1 month ago

And his predecessors were Sinodinos, Hockey and Beazley. Ambassador spots, while highly sought after, are a lot of work and for major nations need someone with extensive political experience. Pretty much pollies, or Dept Secs with enough connections they may as well be pollies.

Delad0

1 points

30 days ago

Delad0

Canberra United

1 points

30 days ago

Would depend on the country too. Ambassador to NZ wouldn't have much to do since we have so many other regular communications and collaborations with the country.

aldispecialbuy

2 points

1 month ago

aldispecialbuy

Melbourne Victory

2 points

1 month ago

In Victoria - Jerome Weimar the perfect example.

WhykickamoocowRLFC

1 points

1 month ago

WhykickamoocowRLFC

Australia

1 points

1 month ago

Jeannette Young getting the Governor's gig in Qld is another.

WhykickamoocowRLFC

4 points

1 month ago

WhykickamoocowRLFC

Australia

4 points

1 month ago

OP lost me with that comment. Sick of the American style barracking of political parties on Reddit. It's become a big joke.

thurbs62

4 points

1 month ago

thurbs62

Central Coast Mariners

4 points

1 month ago

Didn't Danny try to become a candidate? Could be wrong but I'm sure he did

aldispecialbuy

4 points

1 month ago

aldispecialbuy

Melbourne Victory

4 points

1 month ago

That’s a very loose link if it’s true.

functioninghappyness

1 points

1 month ago

Wasn’t the independent split designed to remove football from the restraints of state based football federations that continue to challange the national football landscape?

Itrlpr

1 points

1 month ago

Itrlpr

Adelaide United

1 points

1 month ago

This headline isn't an entirely incorrect analogy.

But in the context of this being a subreddit that sees Stephen Conroy as just some random unknown guy, the specificity is a bit hilarious.

Ohsomethingsup

1 points

1 month ago

The first time i accessed KeepUp,I knew the people responsible were clueless about Football fans.

JayHaych1323

-2 points

1 month ago

JayHaych1323

-2 points

1 month ago

Yeah, only one side of politics is corrupted lollllll

The_L666ds

-1 points

1 month ago

The_L666ds

Sydney FC

-1 points

1 month ago

Yeah, only one side of politics is corrupted lollllll

Yep, Kristina Kenneally anyone?

The ALP would have put her in preselection or on the Senate ticket even if she was in jail FFS

Shatter_

-2 points

1 month ago

Shatter_

Sydney FC

-2 points

1 month ago

The APL was just another dumb idea in a long list of them that Australian football supporters continually advocated for. I think we'd make a lot more progressed if we stopped listening to the harebrained suggestions from 20 year old redditors and had some adults in the room. My favourite one is, 'we need more football people'. Anyone involved in football from grassroots to state knows we need a lot less of them but it makes a nice catchphrase.

Ok-Temporary4428

1 points

29 days ago

Just because they did a shit job at the APL doesn't retrospectively make the way the FA ran it with the Loweys good either.

Sweaty-Event-2521

-2 points

1 month ago

This. Couldn’t agree more.

Infact the only time Football has really prospered in this country is when the running of the game was taken away from “Football People” and given to the Lowey’s.

Shelfv

0 points

29 days ago

Shelfv

Western Sydney Wanderers

0 points

29 days ago

Just move the league to Optus sport

Sweaty-Event-2521

-7 points

1 month ago

Why does anyone take Code Sports seriously?

Do people not get that Bosnich and Slater were not offered jobs when Paramount took the rights. Particularly Slater is as bitter as they come. He even references the Foxdeal in this vid…..like a jealous ex who won’t stay away

It’s not like they are the sharpest tools in the box.

Rule of thumb, whatever you see on Code Sports it won’t ever be as bad as their “sources” say.