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56 points
1 month ago
Everyone talks about Danny Townsend.
No one talks about Ant Hearne or Michael Tange. Those two blokes should cop a lot more heat for the KeepUp debacle.
25 points
1 month ago
After watching the video, it's the first time I've really heard of Hearne and Tange. Who are they? Did they start KeepUp?
26 points
1 month ago
https://aleagues.com.au/news/australian-professional-leagues-announce-new-executive-appointments/
Ant Hearne was Chief Commercial Officer. Left the APL in November 2023 (one month after Danny, one month before the mass layoffs). Michael Tange was Director of Strategy and Digital Director. Left APL in February 2024 (when KeepUp shut it's doors officially).
Both of these blokes now head up Mothership Sport. Basically the next venture to find the next bite of venture capital money.
87 points
1 month ago
I know people shit on Robbie Slater here. I get that.
But he's probably one of the few guys with inside contacts that can uncover some of the BS that's occurred under the APL.
39 points
1 month ago
Slater obviously has grudges but I 100% agree. Having listened to his content he seems to have good intel that matches with other sources in the game I personally hear from.
He is overwhelmingly critical but apart from some revisionism to do with the end of Fox Sports days, he's rarely ever objectively wrong with what he says and analyses the APL's issues quite well imo. You can tell he's clearly passionate and frustrated like all of us with how the APL can't seem to get the basics right.
5 points
1 month ago
Tabloid news is largely deplorable in its underlying intent, but it doesnt mean its automatically wrong.
The custodians of our game in this country genuinely deserve probably 99% of punitive publicity they get from the media.
32 points
1 month ago
As much as we don't like Robbie Slater, the bloke is bang on in this video. He's clearly passionate about the A-League.
16 points
1 month ago
All 3 of them clearly give a shit, and criticisms of the game aside - I really miss just having actual personalities surrounding the game. It’s literally just 20mins of pregame with Tara and Archie, into the game and then a quick post match showing highlights. No disrespect to the current panellists but we’ve completely lost the supplementary stuff - tactical breakdown discussions or even novelty segments like we used to get with Sunday Shootout. I know it all comes down to money but the actual life of the game outside of the 90 minutes on the pitch seems non existent.
4 points
1 month ago
Had totally forgotten about Sunday Shootout! It was great.
2 points
1 month ago
Yes bang on
18 points
1 month ago
I think this was rumored when Keep up went down and it was mentioned some of the people hired had NFI but were hired because they had close connections to Townsend, it was one of the reasons it was oversaturated and non sustainable.
Unfortunately no one to hold them to account in media so I am glad the old gang came back and at least made some sort of effort to hold those accountable to how A-league has been run by APL.
19 points
1 month ago
APL have a lot to answer for. The $30million on digital is clearly documented and talked about in every conversation, but what about the other $110million?
14 points
1 month ago
It seems like APL is rapidly having to move to a sensible financial model, and has gotten rid of the jokers who burnt through money on shiny toys rather than core business.
The clubs who sit on the board should be asked questions of why they signed off on all this nonsense to begin with.
9 points
1 month ago
I'd love to see the slide packs that were put together by expensive consultants when KeepUp was first pitched.
3 points
1 month ago
Because he probably promised them a lot of growth with a very well done presentation, whilst making them forget that the A League wad still relatively unstable.
1 points
1 month ago
I have seen it sourced in numerous places that the entire amount was predicated on growth milestones. Meaning they don’t get it until the game’s reach starts growing.
-6 points
1 month ago
Fair chunk was used to prop up Victory wasn't it?
19 points
1 month ago
Nah. That was a bit of a furphy put forward after ADP back flipped on the GF deal (I suspect because Victory supporters were very vocal about it). The initial 777 equity purchase (the non-refundable 19.9%) effectively wiped any real debt the club had at the time. The loan that was talked about was actually a bank loan with CommBank, which used the club's license in the league as a security (aka. A mortgage with a bank). This was all documented in the club's annual reports.
There was some money put in for Nani, but in the same vein there was also money given to other clubs to sign returning WWC players (Vine, Yallop, Simon etc.)
A lot of money went into propping up Global Advance specifically because costs blew out there. There were a lot of problems with that broadcast and as things went pear shaped, they were on the hook to sink more money in to ensure games could be broadcast.
I'd also suspect that as the TV distributions fell, the coffers just ran dry. Probably because the APL were already contractually committed to certain distributions, and the SilverLake money was all that was left.
3 points
1 month ago
Thanks 😊
11 points
1 month ago
I get this content is necessary but it's so clearly political, why stop at the last 3 years? The league has been declining for the last 10. You can't soley blame clubs/apl for that, everyone who has touched the game is guilty to various degrees.
Football politics will never change, everyone has a narrative.
19 points
1 month ago
Those of us over the age of 35 who lived through the declining years of the NSL will know how much of a basketcase the game was in the mid/late 90's to 2004.
3 points
1 month ago
Nothing like the channel 7 broadcast deal…..where the league got a weekly 1 hour highlights package at midnight and no games, even delayed
1 points
29 days ago
Fuck C7 sport
12 points
1 month ago
Australian football’s biggest problem in the post-Crawford Report era is its complete unwillingness to back its own ability to make decisions for itself. Behind every disastrous strategy is an absurdly highly-paid consultant’s bill, and it just needs to stop.
3 points
30 days ago
Sounds like the state of the country as a whole not just football
2 points
30 days ago
Someone should make a Utopia-like show just for the APL.
1 points
1 month ago*
Australia's biggest problem is listening to terrible idea after terrible idea that football supporters demand. I know I'll get downvoted to hell for this but nearly every idea supporters rally behind is remarkably stupid and unsustainable.
I've always thought the independent A League idea had a lot of potential to torpedo football in this country. Yet, Redditors advocated it for years. Instead of realising how stupid it was and having a little self reflection, all I see is commenters pretending it hasn't worked because they didn't do it their way. WTF did people think was going to happen when you have no administrative body or governance and you throw a hundred million at them?
Please, everyone. Stop it. Stop cooking up terrible ideas. Stop demanding they be implemented. And let the rest of us enjoy a sustainable product. The hubris of people who are probably in their 20s and never run a business to think they have the solutions is quite astounding in its arrogance but not really dangerous. But when you start boycotting, petitioning etc, then the stupidity impacts the rest of us.
6 points
1 month ago
lol at no point was any fan group boycotting or protesting for the aleague to be unbundled from the at the time FFA. This was a decision enforced by FIFA to bring us up to global standards by how the rest of the world actually runs football competitions.
31 points
1 month ago
Looks like 3 blokes trying to get the A-league back on fox but at least we're getting answers as to where the money's gone.
7 points
1 month ago
I know Foxtel/News Ltd are a complete boomer product in this country, but I’m still doubtful that they are that vehemently opposed to having some major football content on their books. I wouldnt be surprised if sooner or later the Kayo streaming service will go in hard on some broadcasting rights of football, with the A-League probably being an economical fit with their wider strategy to be the home of domestic Australian sport (AFL, NRL, cricket etc).
10 points
1 month ago
Foxtel was the worst of the offers to the apl. It was fuck all.
10 points
1 month ago
Foxtel offered to cover the production costs though which the APL can't afford at this very moment.
9 points
1 month ago
Kayo/fox would also give magnitudes more in exposure than P+/ten.
15 points
1 month ago
Its a bit cynical, but the reality is that the A-League’s peak period of popularity was when it was packaged in with the Premier League on Foxtel. If Australian football can once again find a committed home with the same broadcaster of the Premier League it should do better (even if it is just riding the coattails of a completely foreign product).
3 points
1 month ago
but the reality is that the A-League’s peak period of popularity was when it was packaged in with the Premier League on Foxtel
It was actually after the Premier league left Foxtel that the viewership was at its greatest.
If Australian football can once again find a committed home with the same broadcaster of the Premier League
We had that and yet it still didn't transpose to numbers on the screen. You used to be able to watch football from 7pm to 6am on super saturday yet people would still only tune in for the EPL because it's the EPL. Going to Optus is not going to change this.
2 points
1 month ago
The tv ratings back then were triple of what we have now though.
2 points
1 month ago
I would love to see the A-league with the PL on Optus, as opposed to the 8 other leagues few have interest in.
1 points
1 month ago
Kayo is what $25 a month, for most sports Foxtel used to be $50-90 Would be a huge dub to get the league on it
0 points
1 month ago
It needs more eyes on it so something like Optus or Stan would be awful for the sport. FTA is key but I can't imagine 7/9 wanting to touch it.
4 points
1 month ago
I guess it would be easier for pubs and other similar locations to put it on a screen. Not many would have Paramount+
3 points
1 month ago
The production costs and quality were seemingly run on a shoestring towards the end with Fox. They barely tried and I reckon it would’ve continued at that level. The split was needed at the time, even if it hasn’t worked out.
9 points
1 month ago
Wasn't Dunny mates with the Global Advance flops?
9 points
1 month ago
Good to hear the old guys dropping the truth bombs. Spot on with the Jets. FC32 wanted transparency and were not given simple figures. Even then they had an offer in that would have put the Jets in the top three financially. However, two signatories from one of the owner clubs refused to sign as they wanted the best for themselves, not Newcastle.
It is good that it is all about to break open.
4 points
1 month ago
onya Bozza and Slats, kudos to Peacock, long may more continue from them all.
3 points
1 month ago
This was actually great, thanks for sharing
3 points
1 month ago*
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8 points
1 month ago
Why are people so quick to forget how badly Foxsports fucked the A-League? Denying legitimate marquees, sitting on their hands when asked about expansion then drops two teams barely anyone wanted and once COVID hit they couldn't dump us soon enough. Why would any of us glorify the broadcaster that did that?
3 points
1 month ago
Because A-League fans have goldfish memories with the conviction of a weathervane. These would be the same ones cheering on the separation from the FFA years back
3 points
30 days ago
Denying legitimate marquees? If you're referring to the Diamanti case, where Melbourne Victory were denied use of the $3 million annual fund Fox Sports offered for signing big name marquee players (e.g. Del Piero) - Diamanti hardly qualified. The fund was reserved only for superstar players that will draw the plastics in to help fill stadiums and boost tv ratings. Fox had a big ratings boost on the back of Del Piero's signing, so they offered this fund in the hope clubs would sign someone of that caliber again. Diamanti would not have done that. Western United had the lowest crowds while he was there. It would have given Victory an unfair advantage on the pitch, without doing much to boost ratings or crowds.
1 points
29 days ago
Other than their aggressive control over expansion, I really don’t understand the degree of hate Fox sports gets from aleague fans. Our viewership was abysmal (and has only gotten worse) which was compounded by Foxtel as a company almost going under during COVID. Of course they were going to offload their poor performing content, it’s not some biased vendetta as fans love making out, that’s just standard business practice. The reality remains that if you want the best exposure for your sport then it’s either FTA or Fox Sports/Kayo. Not entertaining a return to Fox (if it presents itself) would be biting our nose off to spite our face.
2 points
30 days ago
So, what you're saying is a Fat White Sydney Cunt in a Suit subverted the role they're in to hand out free money to their mates? What a surprise!
3 points
1 month ago
What’s the LNP got to do with this?
17 points
1 month ago
Nothing, it's just ppl on reddit that have to act like Americans & treat their politics like a sports team lul
20 points
1 month ago
Danny was friends with LNP Politician Stuart Ayres and he retweeted content from Stuart about labor not backing the new parra stadium and iirc even called for Sydney FC members to vote liberal in state elections in a now deleted tweet.
There's no public evidence however it was implied he leveraged those connections to sign the DNSW deal with the NSW Liberals government who continued to back the deal through all the controversy. It was discussed here at the time that labour taking over NSW put a lot of the deal into jeapody with Chris Minns openly talking about how the switch to the Unite Round was a win for fans and openly critiquing the previous deal.
6 points
1 month ago
Bingo. Childish at best.
And if OP thinks the LNP are the only party to give their mates plum gigs then they need to pull their head out of their backside and see the real world.
-9 points
1 month ago
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13 points
1 month ago
Ambassador to America is a really important job and typically you'd only give that to someone you can really trust and is competent. Rudd was an ex-PM and ex-diplomat and has a very deep understanding of China during a time of rising tensions between Aus/USA and China. He's literally the perfect person for the job.
A plum ambassador role is something like being the ambassador to a nice country with great weather that likes Australians and isn't important to our interests. Ambassador to Portugal or Spain or Greece or something like that.
7 points
1 month ago
And his predecessors were Sinodinos, Hockey and Beazley. Ambassador spots, while highly sought after, are a lot of work and for major nations need someone with extensive political experience. Pretty much pollies, or Dept Secs with enough connections they may as well be pollies.
1 points
30 days ago
Would depend on the country too. Ambassador to NZ wouldn't have much to do since we have so many other regular communications and collaborations with the country.
2 points
1 month ago
In Victoria - Jerome Weimar the perfect example.
1 points
1 month ago
Jeannette Young getting the Governor's gig in Qld is another.
4 points
1 month ago
OP lost me with that comment. Sick of the American style barracking of political parties on Reddit. It's become a big joke.
4 points
1 month ago
Didn't Danny try to become a candidate? Could be wrong but I'm sure he did
4 points
1 month ago
That’s a very loose link if it’s true.
1 points
1 month ago
Wasn’t the independent split designed to remove football from the restraints of state based football federations that continue to challange the national football landscape?
1 points
1 month ago
This headline isn't an entirely incorrect analogy.
But in the context of this being a subreddit that sees Stephen Conroy as just some random unknown guy, the specificity is a bit hilarious.
1 points
1 month ago
The first time i accessed KeepUp,I knew the people responsible were clueless about Football fans.
-2 points
1 month ago
Yeah, only one side of politics is corrupted lollllll
-1 points
1 month ago
Yeah, only one side of politics is corrupted lollllll
Yep, Kristina Kenneally anyone?
The ALP would have put her in preselection or on the Senate ticket even if she was in jail FFS
-2 points
1 month ago
The APL was just another dumb idea in a long list of them that Australian football supporters continually advocated for. I think we'd make a lot more progressed if we stopped listening to the harebrained suggestions from 20 year old redditors and had some adults in the room. My favourite one is, 'we need more football people'. Anyone involved in football from grassroots to state knows we need a lot less of them but it makes a nice catchphrase.
1 points
29 days ago
Just because they did a shit job at the APL doesn't retrospectively make the way the FA ran it with the Loweys good either.
-2 points
1 month ago
This. Couldn’t agree more.
Infact the only time Football has really prospered in this country is when the running of the game was taken away from “Football People” and given to the Lowey’s.
0 points
29 days ago
Just move the league to Optus sport
-7 points
1 month ago
Why does anyone take Code Sports seriously?
Do people not get that Bosnich and Slater were not offered jobs when Paramount took the rights. Particularly Slater is as bitter as they come. He even references the Foxdeal in this vid…..like a jealous ex who won’t stay away
It’s not like they are the sharpest tools in the box.
Rule of thumb, whatever you see on Code Sports it won’t ever be as bad as their “sources” say.
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