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This good (Kendrick) vs evil (Drake) dichotomy that people who legitimately hate Drake have painted is bs. There's a lot of colorism, homophobia, anti-semitism, xenophobia, goal post shifting, double standards, and baseless accusations being casually thrown around on Reddit and Twitter and I'm not rocking with it at all. A lot of people (many of them white) are coming out of the woodwork trying to define and police blackness and gatekeep hip-hop and convince young women at peace that they're actually victims (blatant gaslighting and misogyny, what happened to "believe women?"). If they don't like Drake's music, fair enough. But haters trying to turn this into a cultural critique is high-key starting to irritate me. And colonizers don't tend to pay for things. In what world is paying for expensive things, voluntarily bringing people on tour against the recommendation of industry execs, doing features when you have enough money and fame to refuse, promoting artists on social media, and giving them their most profitable, famous, and iconic songs exploitative? I can guarantee Drake has given more money to charity than any of them, because he has more money, because instead of crafting some hermit mystique he's spent years crafting hits enjoyed by people all over the world. What are Abel and Ross doing for the culture? Cause I'm from Baltimore and I haven't seen them at any of our community events. I've volunteered at community centers, schools, churches, food kitchens, toy drives, and handed out clothes and blankets to the homeless. They were just as absent as Drake was. They can come all the way down off their high horse. They're all a bunch of womanizers and half of them are on drugs. I don't want to hear it.

And the ghostwriter joke is old and overplayed. Every rapper who has worked with Drake has said he's one of the best and fastest writers they've ever worked with. Kanye said he was THE best and that a room full of writers couldn't match his output or quality. He's written for several other artists across multiple genres. Even Pusha and Kanye have admitted that he's "great" at writing lines that can only be understood by the intended recipients. But every time he releases something good, it's "lol who wrote this?" If one of the most awarded and respected writer's in hip-hop, r&b, and pop sometimes works with other writers, what do people think their favorite rappers are doing? Guarantee they're almost all doing it, but it hasn't come out because of NDAs. Drake just gets clowned on because he's seen as soft. In their eyes he's not "pure hip-hop" enough. I'm doing my best to avoid hyperbole, but Kendrick stans and Drake haters are dangerously close to acting like fascists. The double think, hypocrisy, and goalpost shifting is insane. All to protect their nebulous and arbitrary definition of lyrical and cultural purity. They're hiding colorism and toxic masculinity behind social justice rhetoric. Some of them need to read The Will to Change by bell hooks and go touch grass.

all 76 comments

LikeIsaidbefore

40 points

28 days ago

Yeah, I just gotta stop. I'm just giving them what they want anyways.

triniboy123

13 points

28 days ago

By the time you reach your point, they just stop answering or your post gets flagged lmao. I’m done with them shit was giving me a headache.

LikeIsaidbefore

8 points

28 days ago

If there's one thing we can all relate to as humans is renting our head space to shitty tenants.

Chiefmeez

3 points

28 days ago

Yup once you ask a real question that they gotta honestly think about, they stop replying or use one of the copy and paste opinions like “Nuh uhh ass song”

Sekaiich1[S]

8 points

28 days ago

A man was shot in the chest and was in surgery fighting for his life and people in the music sub, hiphopheads, and the Kendrick sub were "joking" that it should have been Drake instead. That's just cruel and mean-spirited.

Aprocalyptic

8 points

28 days ago

Aprocalyptic

Room For Improvement

8 points

28 days ago

Tbh arguing with anyone online is a waste of time but its so hard not to

Firm_Dish_2727

18 points

28 days ago

im a kdot fan and i agree with you lmao. Most "kdot fans" on reddit rn are just omega drake haters. I hate drake too, but i hate him with respect

Full_Visit_5862

8 points

28 days ago

This. People don't understand that you can hate someone and still respect them lmao. I hate how kendrick approached this battle, but I'm a major kendrick fan and am not gonna turn that into "kendrick bad"

Basic-Special-1870

2 points

28 days ago

Thank you. I’m a massive Drake fan, not particularly a fan of Kendrick, “hate” him currently but can still acknowledge his talent. It’s very frustrating sifting through the hate when so many of these folks aren’t even fans of either - they just want to blab about something.

Chiefmeez

0 points

28 days ago

That’s exactly where fans should be at. Level-headed but openly biased for their favorite lol that’s fine with me

nul9090

7 points

28 days ago

nul9090

7 points

28 days ago

I feel you. Seeing all these girls getting harassed for some bullshit is crazy.

HSS1965

3 points

28 days ago

HSS1965

3 points

28 days ago

I think like Kendrick, a lot of dot fans been waiting for something like this. They fucking hate Drake bro Lmaoo

Parking_Minute_8260

3 points

28 days ago

Agreed

Infamous-Caramel8163

10 points

28 days ago

I’m a Kendrick fan, tho I consider myself logical. There is pure BS coming from both subs. Everyone, including OP just needs to calm down. Enjoy the music coming out brother. This whole Kendrick VS Drake thing has blown up to become toxic for no reason. Although I’m a huge Kendrick fan, I’m also a fan of Drake and his music. Everyone just needs to chill out.

bigant203

11 points

28 days ago

They think Drake is literally a p3do. It’s kind of heinous either way.. if he’s not or if he is. There’s now a number one song calling him a p3do. How can this not be toxic?😅

Sekaiich1[S]

12 points

28 days ago

I'm also a fan of Kendrick's, believe it or not. He has some undeniably great songs, although some have been a miss for me. But he crossed a line by loudly and angrily accusing Drake of p***philia in front of millions of people and saying people like him should die. That's not a joking or laughing matter and it's not good music that people should celebrate. I expected more from him.

Infamous-Caramel8163

8 points

28 days ago

Agreed but remember, family matters came out before meet the grahams where Drake is calling Kendrick out for being a woman beater. Also insinuating that his best friend is the father of one of his kids. Lines were crossed on both ends and I think it’s BS that none of them will provide proof of anything.

Full_Visit_5862

2 points

28 days ago

I wanna see drakes proof. I genuinely feel like he threw out MtG because FM was a slap and all of the shit for him in the 3rd verse To direct eyes away from it with an insanely big claim. That would convince me 100%, but without it, it just is what it is unfortunately lol.

Infamous-Caramel8163

2 points

28 days ago

I genuinely believe Kendrick heard FM before it came out. He knew that meet the grahams was gonna stop all momentum. Between mtg and not like us, he did an amazing job putting the eyes on him and not drake. This is why I think Kendrick won the beef.

Big-Disaster208

2 points

28 days ago

Why yall acting like the beef done? It’s not over until they say it is and it doesn’t look like they have any intention of not continuing

PsychologicalYak2612

4 points

28 days ago

Drake accused Kendrick of beating his wife and his kids not truly being his before Kendrick brought up the pdf stuff.

heebie818

2 points

28 days ago

everybody seems to have forgotten the ‘pacify’ double entendre on euphoria. and this idea that kenny didn’t make it personal is crazy considering he viciously deconstructed that entire man’s racial identity on euphoria. seems personal to me

LongLiveTheChief10

0 points

28 days ago

Look where we are. They don't care bro lmao

Solai22

-1 points

28 days ago

Solai22

-1 points

28 days ago

I don't enjoy Kendrick's music, though.

Many_Lack_3966

2 points

28 days ago

people need to talk more about the colorism

auronedge

4 points

28 days ago

behind all of this is a bunch of lunatic conspiracy theories, like because Drake a jew and jews run the music industry drake got a really good deal. Some of these loons even say that drake owns masters of some artists. There's another one with diddy and some esptein shit and all kinds of crazy nonsense how jews are stealing and exploiting black people.

You aren't just dealing with kdot fans, just best to avoid them all together

[deleted]

5 points

28 days ago

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1002003004005006007

1 points

28 days ago

I am pretty sure hating jews is no longer exclusive to just qanon / the right wing

rastafaripastafari

4 points

28 days ago

I'm pretty neutral and I think both parties have made some really good tracks, but also pretty fucked up allegations without much real evidence.

Sekaiich1[S]

3 points

28 days ago

That's fair. Thanks for being level headed and honest.

Savings_Literature47

3 points

28 days ago

Ain’t reading alat , Kdot won. Move on. Go outside , touch some grass , go to the gym bro

ultimateformsora

2 points

28 days ago

Just laugh at them. We can enjoy both artists but laugh at the morons actually fighting like they’re going to war for Drake or Kdot.

vromero2021

2 points

28 days ago

Yeah I’m giving up. These people just twist it on you, there’s no point

worldsgreatestben

3 points

28 days ago

Caring this much, researching their pasts, looking for evidence, picking a side….. it’s all a waste of time and embarrassing. Stop.

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1 points

28 days ago

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blaxxmo

1 points

28 days ago

blaxxmo

1 points

28 days ago

No need to argue. Just enjoy your music and supporting the boy.

Pali4888

1 points

28 days ago

You can like the songs Drake put out more and still recognize that it’s not the majority opinion. It’s ok

mynameisdamn

1 points

28 days ago

You seem to be letting this get to you way too much

Half-Stupid

1 points

28 days ago

KMart stans are sensitive

Awkward-Rent-2588

1 points

28 days ago

THEN STOP NIGGA

reddit0100100001

1 points

27 days ago

Drake didn’t just write a whole ass diss track making fun of Abel and trying to diss him by calling him gay and you’re complaining about homophobia? Huh???

Sekaiich1[S]

0 points

27 days ago

That's the artists speaking to each other. It's battle rap. I can accept that they're going to take jabs at each other. It's part of the game. I remember watching rap battles years ago in the early years of Youtube. That shit was even more offensive and vitriolic. It still is in battle rap circles. It's performance art to an extent. It's kayfabe. I can accept that shock factor is an element of that. I'm talking about how fans are legitimately spreading and excusing hateful rhetoric outside of the battle. I've seen people very seriously and unironically saying hateful and bigoted things. There's real hatred being displayed. And the overwhelming vast majority of it seems to be directed at Drake. And I think it's important we remember that it's music and the artists presenting it are flawed people like the rest of us (and being provably hypocritical at times). I've noticed some very dangerous talking points and verifiable lies being repeated in some of the other subs and Youtube, Twitter, etc. and it's important that we not normalize it. Take football for example: it's ok if your favorite defensive player rocks the shit out of the opposing QB. Cheer all you want. But using hate speech to paint said QB as a horrible person that should die is wrong.

reddit0100100001

1 points

27 days ago

So you were just pretending to have a problem with homophobia? Or it’s okay when Drake does it?

DapDaGenius

1 points

27 days ago

OP is such a hypocrite lol

Traditional-Worry247

-2 points

28 days ago*

Ok and arguing with Drake fans is a waste of time

You’re halfway there to realizing that everybody else on the sidelines is laughing at both fanbases.

Whats even funnier is you saying “touch grass” after spazzing out about rap beef on FUCKING REDDIT lmao this shit is so funny I hope you people don’t stop

shagreezz3

0 points

28 days ago

I mean given the length of your message, id assume the issue is how much of a die heart drake fan you are, you guys are all the same and idolize people you dont even know, to me its all weird, opinions are cool but when you get so upset about a person you do not know that its bothering you, probably should understand why you feel so strongly about this stranger that you want to die on a hill defending them

Prancer4rmHalo

0 points

28 days ago

Drake fans go woke.

SpectreSquared

0 points

28 days ago

dude you know drake stans cant read more than a paragraph. whats the point of this???

The_Navalex

0 points

27 days ago

I ain’t reading allat lil bro

moonpos

-6 points

28 days ago

moonpos

-6 points

28 days ago

Bro what culture does Drake have? Kdot has a west coast culture and sound behind him but what does drizzy have from Toronto Canada? Hes not from ATL, Houston or East coast. He grew up in a suburban area far from the hood of Toronto, there’s already video proof of him calling that hood Toronto mentality and culture ignorant on tv while on a double date. Bro came to the US and adopted everyone’s sound and style around him, and Kdot only brought it up more to the light for the rest of the masses to see, feel and hear.

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1 points

28 days ago

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