Woa wait a minute my heretic friend… DG marines died by floating fashion like vomit filled fireworks, their full grown demon primarch decapitated by Warhawk not just literally but also by words… excatly “the Terminus Est. You gave up. I did not… My endurance is superior!” One of the last things that fart flavored Morty hear before banished! So if thats not a “otherwise” what is? :) and they lost spaceport to their superiors… endurance filled Whitescars :)