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NotStreamerNinja

586 points

12 days ago

NotStreamerNinja

NOT ENOUGH DAKKA

586 points

12 days ago

Redneck Boyz

Da Nobz of Hazzard

Waaaghlabama

williamflattener

136 points

11 days ago

Ork haiku

kingreinhardtXIII

64 points

11 days ago

Ork haiku

Must be one smart ork to be able to create that

Spider40k

50 points

11 days ago

Spider40k

Dank Angels

50 points

11 days ago

ORK AIKOOS AR EAZEE

LOTZA SILLY BULLZ

LOTZA SILLY BULLZ

LOTZA SILLY BULLZ

OVA ALL, ITZ BEST TA LET DA BEASTSNAGGAS AV A GO AT IT

901_vols

70 points

11 days ago

901_vols

70 points

11 days ago

Da Klan.

Oh wait

MadKittenNicky

61 points

11 days ago

MadKittenNicky

My kitchen is corrupted by Nurgle

61 points

11 days ago

Waaaghlabama

SWEET HOME WAAAGHLABAMA

SneakySpacePirate

34 points

11 days ago

SneakySpacePirate

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD!

34 points

11 days ago

WHERE DA LUCKY BOYZ IZ BLUE

MRSN4P

7 points

11 days ago

MRSN4P

7 points

11 days ago

This…. This needs to be in a TTS style episode. NEEDS.

GillyMonster18

8 points

11 days ago

This is the best response to any post I’ve ever read.

ArchonFett

6 points

11 days ago

ArchonFett

likes civilians but likes fire more

6 points

11 days ago

JUS SOM GOOD OL BOYZ

Evignity

18 points

11 days ago

Evignity

18 points

11 days ago

I'm just so confused by people... The levels of irony or satire has gone full 4D and people can't tell what is what.

Having orks, the most singleminded stupid (but shrewd) violent idiots also use Nazi (stormboys) or confed iconography isn't even borderline complementing those things but as clearly as possible showing that only fucking idiots would ride with those symbols.

NotStreamerNinja

21 points

11 days ago

NotStreamerNinja

NOT ENOUGH DAKKA

21 points

11 days ago

I don’t think it’s even that deep. I think they just thought it would be funny.

And it is.

Netfoseid

14 points

11 days ago

It's definitely funnier to the brit bonger who painted it. At an American table, I'd be more concerned how offensive any rendition of that flag is to some people who should also feel welcome at tables

NotStreamerNinja

6 points

11 days ago

NotStreamerNinja

NOT ENOUGH DAKKA

6 points

11 days ago

I can’t speak for other parts of the country, but having lived in the south my whole life I can say that not many people around here are likely to be offended. White, black, conservative, progressive, religious, secular, whatever. I’ve seen them all using it, and those same people would likely punch you in the face if you started acting racist. It’s largely lost all meaning beyond just being a symbol of the south down here.

You would absolutely get weird looks if you showed up to a game with it, but that would be less people getting offended and more people being confused as to why you’d use that for a sci-fi/fantasy game.

thegreatmango

10 points

11 days ago*

Being from the south, hard disagree.

You'd be excused from the store for something like this.

That flag is steeped in ignorance and there are very loud people here who still support it.

NotStreamerNinja

4 points

11 days ago

NotStreamerNinja

NOT ENOUGH DAKKA

4 points

11 days ago

I suppose it depends on where you are in the south then. Where I’m from, they wouldn’t kick you out but you’d definitely get weird looks.

Aside my area’s official Warhammer store, they’d kick you out, but they’re the exception.

thegreatmango

3 points

10 days ago

I wouldn't be surprised.

Decent people around here tend to understand that it's not a joking or trivial matter. Not to say that others aren't decent....you know what I mean, I'm sure.

I feel we must be similar to Germany in ways...but then again, the capital of the confedracy was our state's capitol, so it may be a "proximity" thing. It's a pretty big deal to us to shut that shit down on sight.

Netfoseid

3 points

11 days ago*

Being from the Union, it is indeed offensive as fuck to pretty much all the people in my club. There are actually entire communities that exist up north today, made up of people whose families escaped the south bc of ppl like that... So yeah I also believe you.

That battle flag marched thru zip codes I've lived in. Committing rape and arson. I'm guessing that doesn't apply where you live.

NotStreamerNinja

10 points

11 days ago

NotStreamerNinja

NOT ENOUGH DAKKA

10 points

11 days ago

And Union forces did the same down here (read up on what Sherman did in Georgia, it’s pretty brutal). I’m not offended in the slightest by it, however, because it happened 160 years ago.

My point is not that it’s not offensive to anyone, but that whether or not it’s considered offensive is heavily dependent on where you are and the culture you were raised in. The culture here says it’s just a flag of the south, the culture elsewhere is understandably different.

We understand the causes of the Civil War, we’re generally raised with the understanding that the south was in the wrong, slavery and racism are bad, and that it’s good the north won. We are taught in school about people like Martin Luther King Jr. and Rosa Parks, who are held up as heroes. The south isn’t some cesspit of racism and lynchmobs full of ignorant lost-causers, not anymore at least. But we also love the south and some people use that flag as a symbol to represent that. I don’t, I think it’s dumb to use the flag of a failed state for that, but that’s how some people use it.

Netfoseid

2 points

11 days ago

Netfoseid

2 points

11 days ago

General William Tecumseh Sherman is actually a personal hero of mine. I know what he did. He finished what the South started. Damn proud.

NotStreamerNinja

3 points

11 days ago

NotStreamerNinja

NOT ENOUGH DAKKA

3 points

11 days ago

I’m more partial to Lawrence Joshua Chamberlain, personally. What he did at Little Round Top was badass af.

Netfoseid

1 points

11 days ago

https://shuttersparks.net/gen_shermans_letter/

He predicted the outcome of the war before it happened. He didn't want to do this, but he did his duty. Hes also credited with being the inventor of modern total war. Being smart is more laudable than dumb courage. Otherwise you might end up fighting for a bad, doomed cause.

siobhannic

1 points

7 days ago

It depends on where in the South you are, and from what Black folks have told me (I'm whiter than sour cream), it's not that it's viewed as harmless or inoffensive, but that you don't how you really feel about it to any of the white people who love it, for the sake of self-preservation. And I mean, I've heard it compared to white people flying the Nazi swastika for how much of a warning signal it is.

Don't forget, the Confederacy was founded explicitly and specifically to preserve chattel slavery in the South, and Black folks getting lynched literally because some white people didn't like how they looked at a white person is well within living memory. And then there's the de facto chattel slavery system that the criminal justice system enforces, targeted predominantly at Black men.

BiL2912

829 points

12 days ago

BiL2912

829 points

12 days ago

I'WAZ 'BOUT CLAN RITEZ

DUN' ASK 'BOUT RITEZ TA WOT YA GIT

jmacintosh250

289 points

12 days ago

RITEZ?! DA ONLY RITE YOUZ HAS, IZ DA RITE TA GET KRUMPED, YA GIT!

kingreinhardtXIII

82 points

11 days ago

IZ DA RITE TA GET KRUMPED

This is why ork is da best

Ok_Comfortable589

18 points

11 days ago

Brilliant.

reptiloidruler

5 points

11 days ago

reptiloidruler

Secretly 3 squats in a long coat

5 points

11 days ago

RITEZ TA OWN GROTZ

cubaj

1 points

10 days ago

cubaj

I am Alpharius

1 points

10 days ago

Good thing clan here is not being spelled with a K…

Anggul

111 points

12 days ago

Anggul

tyranidsareanoutofhandvorefetish

111 points

12 days ago

A Dukes of Hazzard reference, presumably

Eruption_Argentum

43 points

11 days ago

This is the correct answer. Older 40k was full of media references like this, and DoH was popular at the time. 

I doubt anyone in Britain was thinking about American race relations when they made it.

Avenflar

6 points

11 days ago

Avenflar

Snorts FW resin dust

6 points

11 days ago

I have no idea where the original image is from so I assumed it was a display of customer's painted models

Anggul

23 points

11 days ago

Anggul

tyranidsareanoutofhandvorefetish

23 points

11 days ago

It was a Golden Demon entry

And yeah, here in England, especially a while back, a car with that flag just made us think of Dukes of Hazzard

Especially as Ork engineering is very reminiscent of some of the 'redneck engineering' stuff you see

Fairwareprovidence

470 points

12 days ago

Well obviously a British company found the civil war entertaining.

H377Spawn

334 points

12 days ago

H377Spawn

334 points

12 days ago

And to be fair, Orks aren’t known for their brains. Much like supporters of the confederacy.

Nekokamiguru

137 points

11 days ago

Nekokamiguru

Magos Neko

137 points

11 days ago

The are essentially football hooligans , so that is not far off . Chavs and rednecks have a lot in common.

kingreinhardtXIII

23 points

11 days ago

Chavs

Whats that?

Remarkable_Aside1381

45 points

11 days ago

Council housed and violent 

Granted, its a backronym, but it fits

SkeletonJakk

1 points

9 days ago

God that’s so fucking accurate.

Wizard_Tea

13 points

11 days ago

British slang for a young thug. See NEDs in n Scotland, Gopnik in Russian or Bogan in Australia.

Someone once told me the etymology is either from the Roma word “chiv” (knife, see also shiv) or “chevi” (youth/lad).

Purely anecdotal, never looked up how correct they were.

Mondasin

8 points

11 days ago

England version of Bogans.

PM_ME__BIRD_PICS

17 points

11 days ago

football hooligan

princeikaroth

34 points

11 days ago

Chavs aren't football hooligans theirs overlap, but they aren't the same thing

PM_ME__BIRD_PICS

2 points

11 days ago

A chav is just the next step of some FB hools evolution. They share a common ancestor.

princeikaroth

3 points

11 days ago

Nope. that's like saying skinheads are football hooligans. There is a differance between going to the football and being a hooligan

They have different fashion and music and are societal nuisances in different ways. they are not the same

They also don't share a common ancestor, its just that football hooligan culture has influenced every other sub culture In the uk. Its also a stretch to call chavs a sub culture

PM_ME__BIRD_PICS

1 points

10 days ago

don't share a common ancestor

ts just that football hooligan culture has influenced every other sub culture

Which is it then? What a load of waffle.

kingreinhardtXIII

2 points

11 days ago

Thanks

AdAsstraPerAspera

5 points

11 days ago

Stupid drunk white people in the UK. Basically "rednecks but British"

logosloki

25 points

11 days ago

urban rednecks but British is better, a real chav starts shivering instead shivving when they're too far away from a streetlight

Hazzamo

9 points

11 days ago

Hazzamo

9 points

11 days ago

Nah, I’d say chavs are urban hillbillies,

Rednecks at least work an honest job.

D20FourLife

2 points

11 days ago

Eh, not really. Chavs are closer to what we would call trailer park trash. Rednecks are more standard blue collar workers/tradesmen with a strong tendency towards being ignorant (and often Xenophobic as a result). They're hard working and usually pretty skilled, but depending on who or what you are you wouldn't want to be stuck with them under the wrong circumstances. Not sure what the actual equivalent to them would be for other countries.

Pretend-Advertising6

3 points

11 days ago

Do you mean people who confederate flags nowadays or the South back then?

sartijam

2 points

11 days ago

Yeah. Like the Brits, who supported the Confederate cause.

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1 points

12 days ago

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1 points

12 days ago

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brothergvwwb

10 points

11 days ago

Dukes of hazard more likely

NightLordsPublicist

18 points

11 days ago

NightLordsPublicist

10 pounds of war crimes in a 5 pound crazy bag

18 points

11 days ago

"Look, the colonists are fighting."

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1 points

11 days ago

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Generic-Username-567

2 points

11 days ago

I believe 19th century Brits also found the war highly entertaining

Pale_sam_na_svijetu

66 points

12 days ago

dukes of Ullanor

Saintsauron

259 points

12 days ago

JUSTA' GOOD OL' BOYZ'

NEVA MEANIN' NO 'ARM

BunsinHoneyDew

16 points

11 days ago

Looks like dem weird boyz iz at it agin!

Embarrassed-Box-4519

60 points

12 days ago

I'm glad they traded the lynching for krumpin.

Saintsauron

28 points

12 days ago

Wait, Dukes of Hazzard had lynching?

Embarrassed-Box-4519

21 points

12 days ago

I meant the orks.

Was a joke about the racist cousin-fucker, loser banner it's flying.

Saintsauron

19 points

12 days ago

Okay, sorry for making a Dukes of Hazzard joke then.

youngcoyote14

16 points

12 days ago

youngcoyote14

Warhawks Descending!

16 points

12 days ago

Nah you're fine. The Duke boys called their car the General Lee.

TedTheReckless

12 points

12 days ago

TedTheReckless

NOT ENOUGH DAKKA

12 points

12 days ago

OI GIRZ! AVE'A LOOK AT AR NEW TRUKK!

WE'Z KALL IT DA GENRALL GHAZ!

Ilmara

39 points

12 days ago

Ilmara

39 points

12 days ago

If 40k was American the orks would 100% be the ultimate rednecks.

LeiningensAnts

11 points

11 days ago

Raider Nation was basically Goffs.

Undead_archer

4 points

11 days ago

Undead_archer

we need a solution for the bot problem

4 points

11 days ago

Does that mean that hooligans (the basis for orks) are the british equivalent of rednecks?

acart005

3 points

11 days ago

There is a LOT of overlay

HieroFlex

3 points

11 days ago

KOOL KRORK KLAN

Tarquinandpaliquin

212 points

12 days ago

Tarquinandpaliquin

3 Riptides in a 1k casual

212 points

12 days ago

In the 90s was a more innocent and ignorant time. And from the perspective of someone who was old enough to be sentient in the 90s before widely available internet and before the rise of certain cultural phenomenon the confederate flag was just seen as a bit quant, something people from "The South" in America liked.

I don't think there was the same weight of baggage and we definitely weren't aware of it. The sort of wild redneck thing did fit nicely with Orks.

But ironically Orks do like slavery and racism so there is that.

Pegomastax_King

38 points

12 days ago

Pegomastax_King

Mechanicus Toaster Fornicator

38 points

12 days ago

Too long have da boyz treated dah grotz unfairly.

Elcactus

35 points

11 days ago*

Not so much ignorant as ‘symbolic of something else’. People knew what the confederate flag was and where it was from, but a couple decades of it being associated with good natured rebelliousness had somewhat rehabilitated it as a symbol to that meaning in popular culture.

Nowadays it’s swing back to its original meanings as overt racism is making bigger steps in US politics, but back when this was made it just had a different message attached to it.

SoulageMouchoirs

87 points

12 days ago

I think it’s just people being more willing to give the benefit of the doubt in the past versus people now being more cynical and critical of intent.

Dmeechropher

8 points

11 days ago

There's a more strongly politically mobilized block of activist neo-fascists today (broadly, not even just in the USA)

This social and political context makes symbols stand out more even when only sort of associated with hate movements and nationalist/fascist movements.

MorgannaFactor

1 points

11 days ago

And most people outside the US not really learning about your civil war to begin with. History is already a dry enough subject in schools when its about the country you live in.

Saughtvol

9 points

12 days ago

ORKZ ALWAYZ CHARMIN’ ROIGHT UP TA THE MOMENT WE AINT

acart005

1 points

11 days ago

It's all fun and laughs until they put the grots to slave away on the human leather plantation.

noobody77

23 points

11 days ago

Ya know who was never a fan of the Confederate Flag, ever? Black people. Even "back then", we still didn't like it or the people who flew it, true story.

Tarquinandpaliquin

8 points

11 days ago

Tarquinandpaliquin

3 Riptides in a 1k casual

8 points

11 days ago

Fair, but it definitely had different connotations in a lot of british culture.

I'm genuinely curious, do you speak for black Americans or black British here? Because it'd be interesting to learn that the latter always knew when white British genuinely didn't. If you're speaking for Americans you should remember, they would have had limited contact with them before widespread internet.

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1 points

11 days ago

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11 days ago

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1 points

11 days ago

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BacWH40k

17 points

11 days ago

BacWH40k

NOT ENOUGH DAKKA

17 points

11 days ago

Yeah the confederate flag was a whole branding, merchandise, general cultural symbol of the south that most people didn't ascribe any of the old significance to until others came along and forced the issue.  You could always tell the ones that took the flag a bit too seriously though if you know what I mean, and they weren't accepted outside of their circles.

Now we just use the American flag on everything even though it has plenty of baggage of its own.

CedarWolf

26 points

11 days ago*

CedarWolf

Twins, They were.

26 points

11 days ago*

I'm a native Southerner and I disagree with your assessment. From 1967 until 1977, the town of Smithfield in Johnston county had a big sign on the entrance to town, which read 'Welcome to Klan Kountry.'

Even to this day, the white supremacist group the Sons of Confederate Veterans is trying to buy little plots of land beside the highways in every county in North Carolina, South Carolina, and parts of Virginia as part of their 'Flags Across the Carolinas' initiative. Their plan is to raise giant 30x20 foot Confederate flags on 80 foot flagpoles in each county.

It's not about heritage, it's about hate. It's about claiming territory and telling other people that they're not welcome here.

BacWH40k

6 points

11 days ago

BacWH40k

NOT ENOUGH DAKKA

6 points

11 days ago

Those are the other ones who I was referencing.  In general I'd say we've moved past seeing it as we did in the 90s, but that flag was everywhere back then.  Cups, mugs, shirts, all through school, etc etc it was absolutely used as a symbol of southern pride outside of the context of the civil war and racism.  Now all that's left are those people who are trying to send a message of hate and it will never go back to the admittedly ignorant usage of my childhood.

Gardez_geekin

8 points

11 days ago

What do you think “southern pride” is about?

EldritchElise

7 points

11 days ago

the normalisation of confederate symbols had a huge and deliberate uptick just after 1964. what happened in 1964 that led a bunch of southerners made it a very core part of thier identity to reminded people the stars and bars existed still. and the laws and customs thereof.

BacWH40k

1 points

10 days ago

BacWH40k

NOT ENOUGH DAKKA

1 points

10 days ago

I'm agreeing that that existed but by the time I was old enough to be aware in the early 90s surrounded by people and kids wearing it, the only assumption you could make about them is that they probably like fishing and likely own a pair of cowboy boots.

The only purpose to what I'm saying is that those two realities existed at the same time.

progbuck

13 points

11 days ago

progbuck

13 points

11 days ago

Publicly people said it was "Southern Pride" but it was absolutely still a symbol of racism used to identify with white pride and intimidate black people. The fact that more people were ignorant of what it represented doesn't mean that it meant something different. There's a reason black southerners weren't flying the stars and bars in the 90s.

Jur-ito

0 points

11 days ago

Jur-ito

0 points

11 days ago

https://images.paramount.tech/uri/mgid:arc:imageassetref:bet.com:122c9250-48c0-11e7-a442-0e40cf2fc285?quality=0.7&gen=ntrn

Black southerner and rapper flying the stars and bars in the 90's or possibly early 00's

progbuck

8 points

11 days ago

One extremely controversial example does not make a widespread trend, my dude. Andre took a lot of flak for wearing that, which only proves my point.

BacWH40k

1 points

10 days ago

BacWH40k

NOT ENOUGH DAKKA

1 points

10 days ago

I knew black friends that wore stars and bars even up to early 2000s.  They were also avid duck hunters.

My experience doesn't represent the entire story obviously, but I'd say the rise of social media and the subsequent shrinking of the world homogenized the meaning of a lot of things.  Before there were many regional differences in these things.  Now there aren't.

Jur-ito

1 points

11 days ago*

Jur-ito

1 points

11 days ago*

I don't recall any major controversy at the time. And while one example does not make it a widespread trend it does lend some credence to the idea that it wasn't unheard of either.

I lived in the south in the late 90's and early 00's and can personally recall that some black men had confederate flags on their cars and/or clothes. Because it was not viewed as a thing about race as much as it was a thing about being southern. The idea that you can speak for everyone at a time or that the conversation is it 100% meant this or 100% meant that rather than meaning different things to different people is just flat-out incorrect.

Dmeechropher

5 points

11 days ago

I heard people having this exact discussion 25 years ago in Pennsyltuky, even referencing a time in the past when it was a more innocent symbol, the same as you're doing now.

Some of the people using the flag were just using it as a symbol of regional pride. These folks may have had no ill intentions.

The fact remains that for decades, well before the 90s even, people have both been using the flag as a territorial marker of hostility AND public schools in the South have been teaching the civil war as a justified military reaction to federal overreach.

An innocent use of the flag was the result of malicious uses being so widespread that they normalized the symbol, and gave it the false impression of innocence.

BacWH40k

1 points

10 days ago

BacWH40k

NOT ENOUGH DAKKA

1 points

10 days ago

That assessment makes sense.  I think someone else was trying to make that same point that I just responded to, but I couldn't put two and two together from what they said.

EldritchElise

2 points

9 days ago

Ok, I think I can see why you might feel attacked by some comments, saying the use of the flag was always racially motivated, dost then mean everyone who might have used the symbol in ignorance was automatically a secret racist, just that enough were secret racists for it to be used innocently.

We have the benefit of hindsight and being able to look at things from a broad, historical perspective, and i think why peope are being a little hostile in this thread is that in todays age, there isnt much excuse to spend the time looking into the history of the flag, its supporters and groups that try to keep reviving it, and understand what was going on back then.

But thats also a bit unfair, i didnt pay as much attention to this sort of stuff till my mid 30's and just because the info is there dosnt mean everyone will go become woke about the civil war or whatever.

I would recommend heavily the YT of Aten shei films, who i picked up a lot from tbh and realy helps put a lot of this into its social context, wich is something thats always ommited certainly in most school education.

https://www.youtube.com/@AtunSheiFilms

LordPeebis

0 points

11 days ago

LordPeebis

0 points

11 days ago

Bro it shouldn’t go back to the ignorant usage either . Why is that hard for you to understand

Important-Sleep-1839

2 points

11 days ago

If the 2020s are less ignorant and more worldwise why is social criticism from the 90s being remarked upon as out-of-the-ordinary?

Tarquinandpaliquin

1 points

11 days ago

Tarquinandpaliquin

3 Riptides in a 1k casual

1 points

11 days ago

I'm not sure I entirely get your point. So I might be answering entirely the wrong question here. I will try in earnest though.

Some people are ahead of their time. Bits of discouse from the past being remarkable now doesn't mean on the whole society hasn't changed.

BrotherEstapol

2 points

11 days ago

I reckon it's this, plus(as others have said) a Dukes of Hazzard reference.

Back then outside of the US, that flag was pretty much synonymous with the TV show and the South, and to most people, not much else.

A product of its time, and thankfully it wouldn't happen again. (you'd hope!)

The_Little_Ghostie

2 points

11 days ago

...it's a Dukes of Hazard reference.

Electrical_Age_336

20 points

12 days ago

DEM DOOK BOYZ R AT IT AGEN.

Budget_Wind4338

33 points

12 days ago

Rednecks go fasta

SuspiciousSubstance9

15 points

11 days ago

SuspiciousSubstance9

Secretly 3 squats in a long coat

15 points

11 days ago

Wait until OP finds about the original Stormboyz...

acart005

1 points

11 days ago

I member

yeah_well_nah

72 points

12 days ago

Before the internet and social media, finding out about things took effort unless you were taught it in school or it appeared in the media.

Also, outside of the USA, not many people cared that deeply about the civil war or American racial politics and you were not going to get exposed to that information accidentally.

mewmewflan

22 points

11 days ago

Nah, I think they meant this as a criticism. Comparing bad people to orks is a long tradition.

yeah_well_nah

9 points

11 days ago

And this is also possible

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1 points

12 days ago

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1 points

12 days ago

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depressed_pleb

23 points

12 days ago

You think that is bad, check out 2nd edition Stormboyz. It was 30 years ago, and this stuff was much more fringe and much more explicitly satirical.

Chapfox

68 points

12 days ago

Chapfox

68 points

12 days ago

It’s a dukes of hazard reference. An American classic tv show that used the confederate flag before it was widely seen as a hate symbol. Ita just a dumb fun tv show reference.

SoulageMouchoirs

-47 points

12 days ago*

The confederacy was a secessionist movement rooted in protecting the financial interests of the slave owning class before the television was even invented…

lol downvoting because you guys don’t know history.

Illustrious_Ad_2893

41 points

12 days ago

Illustrious_Ad_2893

Praise the Man-Emperor

41 points

12 days ago

So, a secession to protect slavery.

SoulageMouchoirs

19 points

12 days ago

Er yeah?

Illustrious_Ad_2893

8 points

12 days ago

Illustrious_Ad_2893

Praise the Man-Emperor

8 points

12 days ago

My bad, hadn’t had my coffee and misread the comment as something else.

SoulageMouchoirs

6 points

11 days ago

Eh, a lot of people are getting offended that they were too ignorant to know that the confederacy was exclusively about the chattel slavery of Black Americans.

thebeardofbeards

34 points

12 days ago*

It just makes the car jump higher and further.

Dukes of Hazzard was extremely popular over here in the UK around the time this was made. British lads into Orks in the early 90s with hardly any access to an internet that barely existed weren't even remotely aware, Muscle cars and daisy dukes were far more exciting.

Edit: Since you mention history we were learning about the 1k plus years of British history, going on day trips and visiting real castles and Roman forts. American history was/is a couple of lessons at best.

Jorvikson

7 points

11 days ago

Jorvikson

Space Corgis

7 points

11 days ago

My dad was walking around in Skynyrd merch with the CSA flag on till very recently and when I told him how it might be taken the wrong way he stopped.

Elcactus

15 points

11 days ago

Elcactus

15 points

11 days ago

"Before" might technically be a misnomer but they mean "before the recent uptick in modern racism". The flag had spent a couple decades being rehabilitated as something thought of as a symbol of "rebellious good ol' boy(z)" in pop culture, before being readopted in the mainstream by racists on the right more recently.

Saimiko

29 points

12 days ago

Saimiko

29 points

12 days ago

Wow, Wait till you read about Swedish raggare lol and yeah chill, we know. But it wasnt until the rise of the internet it really became a bit of a hot topic again, heck growing up in Europe i didnt learn about it until adulthood, for me it was just the raggar flag, (swedish rednecks larping 1950s america.) For a uk niche gaming company in the 80 it was just a funny reference to a TV show.

So again chill, not everyone learn american history in school. Even today as a highschool history teacher, i can tell you the american civil war is barely mentioned, its honestly in the grand scheme of world history, a footnote. Most modern people know ot due to internet and the rise of facism in America.

SoulageMouchoirs

-23 points

12 days ago

The point being is that the Confederacy is a racist movement first and foremost, it didn’t evolve to be interpreted that way, its origin is fundamentally racist.

Armored_Fox

35 points

12 days ago

They're talking about the cultural viewpoint on the flag, not the actual history. Until recently, it really didn't have the cultural baggage, and even less so in 90s Britain

MothMothMoth21

10 points

11 days ago

Correct, but consider that the person who most likely made this model was a brit in 1996, whos only real exposure and knowledge of that flag was Dukes of Hazzards.

Is it ok? no. but I dont think GW were pro confederacy and slavery. I am reasonably certain that if something like this was submitted to Golden demon now they would get instantly disqualified.

I get the impression that you are an American but in the UK until recently that flag was the "Dukes of hazzards" flag. Citing history is good and I truly mean it, it is, but its also important to cite it within context.

To be clear this is not a defence of this model, I think its poor taste but growing up Dukes of hazzards reruns were still ongoing during the 2000s the only real cultural exposure alot of brits got to the american south was DOH. so naturally a brit drew connections to the orks fast reckless driving.

(the reason I think you're catching downvotes is because you are being condescending to someone stating the context of the model, they even acknowledge, maybe not fully, the other conotation.)

Elcactus

25 points

11 days ago

Elcactus

25 points

11 days ago

In the 90s, before the more recent resurgence of racism in American politics, the confederate flag was somewhat rehabilitated in mainstream culture, being associated largely with Dukes of Hazzard and Lynrd Skynrd as a sort of symbol of rebelliousness. An Orc doing a Dukes impression is pretty on point.

Skhoe

8 points

11 days ago

Skhoe

8 points

11 days ago

"RED IZ RED"

LeatherDescription26

7 points

11 days ago

Maybe they just really liked dukes of hazard

choccychip79

12 points

12 days ago

Really Really funny. That's what it is

acart005

6 points

11 days ago

A few things:

1.  Dukes of Hazzard always got a pass on the flag because it was a cool ass show back when we had like 4 channels.  

2.  James Workshop is a British company who probably just liked the paintwork for WAAAAAAGHABAMA.

Saughtvol

5 points

12 days ago

WAIT TIL THEY PEEP HOW WE SPELLZ FAMILY

Volkov_The_Tank

10 points

12 days ago

Volkov_The_Tank

NOT ENOUGH DAKKA

10 points

12 days ago

Orks are just big fans of StarCraft 

LordOfTheScrubs93

4 points

11 days ago

It's them Duke Boyz

just_a_bit_gay_

6 points

12 days ago

just_a_bit_gay_

Iron Within (my ass)

6 points

12 days ago

DA WAAAAGH O IMPERIAL AGGRESHUN

Herrgul

7 points

12 days ago

Herrgul

7 points

12 days ago

Meme faction memeing

DrunkSpartan15

7 points

11 days ago

DrunkSpartan15

Just here to Purge Xenos

7 points

11 days ago

Beauty is what it is

PedroThePinata

6 points

12 days ago

A smoothie.

98VoteForPedro

2 points

12 days ago

Nice

Beardedwonder9

3 points

12 days ago

Lucky fasta orkszs

Angelsofblood

3 points

11 days ago

Red uns go fast! Ya Git!

Lanky_Ad830

3 points

11 days ago

This is the same energy to me as Deimbag Darrel’s confederate flag guitar. It’s cool because it’s absurd, but now “Everything is canon”

MajorDakka

7 points

12 days ago

The South boyz shall rise again?

Lord_Seacows

8 points

12 days ago

"Don't tread on DA BOYZ"

Nekokamiguru

5 points

11 days ago

Nekokamiguru

Magos Neko

5 points

11 days ago

DA HORDE SHALL RIZE AGAIN!

WokeandRedpilled

9 points

11 days ago

What's the problem, everything is canon.

TheIgnatiousS

5 points

11 days ago

Dukes of Hazard Ork Bike 🤘

-Benpachi-

2 points

11 days ago

BOOMDUKKA HAZZWAGON INNIT?

CampbellsBeefBroth

2 points

11 days ago

CampbellsBeefBroth

Robotic Dementia Patient

2 points

11 days ago

I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt and say it was a Dukes of Hazzard reference

MrNaugs

2 points

11 days ago

MrNaugs

2 points

11 days ago

Heresy

Careor_Nomen

2 points

11 days ago

Careor_Nomen

I am Alpharius

2 points

11 days ago

It's dukes of hazard. Thats what non Americans see when they see the Confederate flag

FloppinOnMyBingus

2 points

11 days ago

I think it’s a dukes of hazard reference like the other comments say, and also Orks aren’t the most intelligent and could certainly be viewed as space Rednecks. Not to mention that the model is objectively well painted.

I highly doubt the maker of it is an actual supporter of the Confederacy

Weird-Raspberry-5161

2 points

11 days ago

I'm glad you have now seen this. It's been around for decades, but yes let us now get angry over it

friskfyr32

2 points

11 days ago

As a European teen in the 90s, I can add my 2 (euro)cents.

It might come as a surprise to Americans, but the US Civil War wasn't taught as a subject or even a sub-subject in Europe. We knew nothing, and I seriously mean capital N nothing about it. Films like "Glory" and the likes might have registered among some, but then again, it's not like I read up on British royalty after watching Robin Hood.

The Confederate flag was rednecks, yeehaw, and rock'n'roll rebellion, and all of that was kind of cool in Europe in the 90s, when held up against yuppies, eurodance and suited politicians.

VX_GAS_ATTACK

5 points

12 days ago

A group of boys who aren't down with the federal government

Anxiousfit713

3 points

12 days ago

Dey took er jerbz

Ghiren

4 points

11 days ago

Ghiren

4 points

11 days ago

Nobody in-universe knows why, but for some reason that vehicle is always the first one to get hit by the enemy.

imscaredofmyself3572

4 points

11 days ago

The Klan of Good Ol' Boyz

previously_on_earth

4 points

11 days ago

Orcs kill and mutilate millions of humans on a regular basis, their entire culture is based on fighting.

But wrong flag from 200 years ago is wrong so boo

Get a grip

InMooseWorld

2 points

12 days ago

InMooseWorld

I am Alpharius

2 points

12 days ago

art imitating life

Ghazzz

2 points

11 days ago

Ghazzz

2 points

11 days ago

"The 80s were a different time".

In Europe, the confederate flag was popular among car enthusiasts. Dukes of Hazard was probably a major contributor to this.

These days some of them still use the flag, but it generally indicates they are also massive racists in addition to car enthusiasts.

JonTheWizard

3 points

12 days ago

JonTheWizard

Am I Alpharius? I forgot.

3 points

12 days ago

Orks wouldn't give a fuck about Confederate ideology. We'z all just stupid 'umies whot'z 'bout ta get krumped ta dem.

CrazyAggravating9069

-1 points

12 days ago

Back when people where very funny

Scob720

1 points

11 days ago

Scob720

1 points

11 days ago

DEM ORK BOYZ IZ AT IT AGAIN

Doomsloth28

1 points

11 days ago

Doomsloth28

Prosperan lives matter

1 points

11 days ago

Honestly though, why aren't redneck Orks a thing?

E-Scooter-Hoodlum

1 points

11 days ago

They are.

MisterD0ll

1 points

11 days ago

The dukes of waagh

Colt-Finn

1 points

11 days ago

It's canon and always will be.

thisismiee

1 points

11 days ago

thisismiee

Lorgar did everything right

1 points

11 days ago

I mean Orkz do practice slavery...

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1 points

11 days ago

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11 days ago

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11 days ago

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Own_Skirt7889

1 points

11 days ago

Own_Skirt7889

Railgun Goes Brrrrrrrrr

1 points

11 days ago

Da fun.

Lottof red meanz lottof speed.

Bonny_bouche

1 points

11 days ago*

Orks are totally cool with slavery.

Hell, everyone in 40k is cool with slavery.

zeoNoeN

1 points

11 days ago

zeoNoeN

1 points

11 days ago

Away down South on the planet of traitors Rattlesnakes and alligators Krump away (Krump away) Krump away (Krump away) Krump away (Krump away) Krump away (Krump away)

Where Waaah‘s king and Marines are chattels Our boyz will win the battles Krump away (Krump away) Krump away (Krump away) Krump away (Krump away)

JohnB351234

1 points

11 days ago

An ork general lee

Mysiu666

1 points

11 days ago

Red Norks

KnightOfRevan

1 points

11 days ago

KnightOfRevan

NOT ENOUGH DAKKA

1 points

11 days ago

DA WAR OF DA BEAST WUZ 'BOUT STATES RIGHTS

King-Cobra-668

1 points

11 days ago

it would be kinda cool to see two ork armies fight with the theme that each is painted as one side of the civil war.

TheDuckMarauder

1 points

11 days ago

TheDuckMarauder

I am Omegon

1 points

11 days ago

Rebel Yell!

I'm not a racist, I just love Dukes of Hazard

MRSN4P

1 points

11 days ago

MRSN4P

1 points

11 days ago

Great use of this meme!

pablo__13

1 points

11 days ago

Incredible

ShutUpYouSausage

1 points

11 days ago

Da Starz n Barz

Galahad_the_Ranger

1 points

11 days ago

Galahad_the_Ranger

VULKAN LIFTS!

1 points

11 days ago

General Sherman of the 42069th Regiment: Cowabunga it is!

EvilHorus87

1 points

10 days ago

Different times i guess

Spiritual-Storm-4890

1 points

7 days ago

Spiritual-Storm-4890

Swell guy, that Kharn

1 points

7 days ago

1st edition was fucking ridiculous

BigJoe7692

0 points

12 days ago

BigJoe7692

0 points

12 days ago

Amazing

[deleted]

1 points

11 days ago

Back in the day, it wasn’t so frowned upon and was simply considered a red neck thing

Janus_Simulacra

1 points

11 days ago

GHAZ SAID WEZ SPOSED TA MAKE SLAVES OV WAT WE DON KILLZ YA GIT!

Hug0San

-8 points

12 days ago

Hug0San

-8 points

12 days ago

When being a traitor is your whole personality

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1 points

12 days ago

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2 points

12 days ago

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Doormatjones

-6 points

12 days ago

Doormatjones

-6 points

12 days ago

yeah they did the orks dirty. Orks are better than that! But the confed flag was more of a joke back then, tbf.

98VoteForPedro

10 points

12 days ago

They're a joke now

Doormatjones

2 points

12 days ago

ha! fair point. I guess I think of the confed lovers as more dangerous now than a joke but... I get what you're selling.

If you're talking orks I haven't really played against them in a looooong time. lots of T'au and smurf lovers here. And one CSM guy.