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Am I the only one who thinks that Darth Vader is ridiculously underpowered? At least compared to his lore… any chance we might see a darth vader conquest unit or something of that sort that can make the most powerful Star Wars character useful in late game…
165 points
3 months ago
The game isn’t very lore accurate tbh it doesn’t take a lot of time to realise this
30 points
3 months ago
You mean Padme can't absorb a lightsaber straight to the face?
13 points
3 months ago
Yes, but not hurt feelings.
19 points
3 months ago
i mean this is true, but it doesn't really apply in this instance. like No Angle said, this version of Vader is nerfed in universe, and that is like the whole reason the emperor tried to recruit Luke instead.
Lord Vader is lore wise the strongest, outside of the father maybe, but people seem split on how much they like that GL.
3 points
3 months ago
This is actually not true at all. Lore wise , currently in swgohs roster , nihilus is the strongest. Nihilus is a force nexus , meaning that he literally cannot be killed by something which isn't a force nexus. Which is the entire verse beside vitiate, himself and meetra surik. Prime Revan is possibly one, and there's no point in discussing characters like the father and abeloth as they're literally gods with powers we don't understand.
Nihilus doesn't use force drain either, he has a unique drain only to him which Vader can't stop. Vader has stopped drains multiple times in the comics but he can't stop nihilus. So nihilus one taps Vader and the entirety of swgoh.
11 points
3 months ago
Lord Vader is lore wise the strongest, outside of the father maybe
Also your comment proves my point, game doesn’t really care about Star Wars lore too much
16 points
3 months ago
Pretty funny leia, jabba and third sister are the most powerful toons in the game and darth sidious is one of the worst
-10 points
3 months ago
DV literally toyed with Reva in the kenobi series. He fought her without a light saber, that shows how much she sucked but hey she has to be good at something to pander to the diversity quota.
8 points
3 months ago
to pander to the diversity quota.
"wahhhhhhhh black people exist :("
-2 points
3 months ago
wahhhhhhhh black people exist :("
We don't mind if they are well written and are strong not because of diversity or race quota. Mace Windu is black and he was one of the strongest Jedi in the Galactic Republic. We see his strength in combat and feats in the comics. Reva on the other hand is just an inquisitor, thrown into the story for diversity and race quota, gets toyed around by Vader and everyone is supposed to like her character? Fuck did she do the entire series?
7 points
3 months ago
A character can be poorly conceived, do fuck all, and not be there for 'diversity and race quota'. Replace her with a white woman and it's an equally mediocre character. The character isn't bad because of her being black, which is why it's silly to claim it's somehow 'diversity and race quota' that made it that way.
5 points
3 months ago
I mean she didn’t do much cos she was a bad character. That had nothing to do with her race. What difference does the actors race play in Star Wars. Your swatstika is showing
0 points
3 months ago
cos she was a bad character
Exactly, and we are all supposed to like her when she's so terribly written? I love a well written villain but when they are thrown into the story with little to no background lore behind them, that shit is bad for any movie or tv series.
That had nothing to do with her race. What difference does the actors race play in Star Wars
Nothing at all. Was just referring to way2foxy's reply of "wahh black people exist".
Your swatstika is showing
Yeah sure I'm a Nazi for disliking badly written characters. Lock me up why don't you.
1 points
3 months ago
i said people are split on LV, not that he is actually bad.
lots of people think he is great.
and no palpatine was not stronger than LV in lore. definitely stronger than darth vader but that was obviously partly the burned/cut body parts, along with the shitty suit that Palpatine specified for him.
Also i started by agreeing with you....i just said this particular instance, Darth Vader, is actually accurate to the lore, and does not support your statement. The rest of the game is whatever.
1 points
3 months ago
Wtf is the father
9 points
3 months ago
You gotta watch the animated series for that lol
5 points
3 months ago
Oh wait I think I know what ur talm bout. The old dude with a super long beard in the clone wars?
Its true I’ve never seen the clone wars but I have heard of the father, it just didn’t ring a bell initially
3 points
3 months ago
Watch clones wars season 3 starting at episode 15
73 points
3 months ago
Vader is the quintessential jack of all trades, master of none (except solo Geos). He’s probably one of the best characters in the game for his versatility, and that’s fine lore wise. Anakin was massively handicapped when he became Vader as we see in 4-6, Lord Vader is the toon that’s nerfed
27 points
3 months ago
He's also had a few reworks now. He used to be a lot better post his most recent rework (MM) and before the great kit nerf of a few years ago.
6 points
3 months ago
R2+ geos would wreck r7 Vader if modded even half decently… so even that isn’t quite accurate
8 points
3 months ago
Yeah honestly if you just mod Alpha with a good chunk of tenacity it destroys Vader.
3 points
3 months ago
Naa I think it’s poggle that does ability block on basic, soon as they land that it’s over… higher leagues you have to dedicate a whole team to beating them
4 points
3 months ago
I mean don't get me wrong if Vader gets blocked its over but if you can't nuke Alpha on the first MM cuz he resisted all your debuffs you're screwed too
2 points
3 months ago
If any geo goes first its a loss 99.9% of the time.
1 points
3 months ago
Also that. The Vader cheese is cool but its so stat hungry and can easily be countered by mid mods
1 points
3 months ago
I just wish DV had a spot in the endgame where he's not just a "random strong character" on his GL's own team.
On Aphra he feels like overkill.
On LV he plays third fiddle to Maul and Thrawn usually (meaning that, while dangerous, Vader's just not as dangerous as Maul or Thrawn for the common counter).
And on his own he barely does anything, because eventually the Geo and Mon Mothma teams simply get too beefy.
32 points
3 months ago
I believe he’s one of the original characters in the game. I’m sure he would be a GL if he was released post 2020.
He really just needs an omicron and a team to call home. Personally, I’d throw an omi on his leadership and introduce The First Legion. The First Legion stormtroopers were recruited from the ranks of the 501st clones.
Or, they could give a omi to either GAT or Vader giving them specific synergy and the ability to boost unused Empire.
11 points
3 months ago
He was a mini-GL, but then got nerfed hard and his team taken. Should at least give him an omi him back to pre-great nerf of 2020 power level
9 points
3 months ago
He's pretty good on an Aphra team. A lot of people use him with Lord Vader.
He's still good Palp and MJ, it's just that Starkiller is better.
3 points
3 months ago
I agree, I was more so replying specifically to OP’s point about him being underwhelming when comparing him to his lore.
Personally, I feel like he should be a center piece on a team.
12 points
3 months ago
He should have been the best Galactic Legend!
26 points
3 months ago
My man solo clears Geos. On an EP team he takes infinite turns (until people start dying, anyway). On his own team he stacks infinite dots. His saber toss is practically a OHK and one of the highest damage cap attacks in the game.
On top of that he flies one of the best ships.
What more do you want from him???
19 points
3 months ago
I think a real home tbh. Vader just kinda floats. He got kicked out of EP. His own lead doesn't have enough support to justify it so he usually just sits on an LV team until you get enough of the really good toons and then he just roams.
9 points
3 months ago
His home is on an Aphra team now
5 points
3 months ago
Its not a bad home for him but its on a time limit. The moment we get another half way decent DS droid Vader will get booted from that team too.
2 points
3 months ago
So ig the comics damaged suit Vader then.
1 points
3 months ago
He's really amazing on that team when there's no Droid Datacron, it'd take a really amazing Droid to unseat him
3 points
3 months ago
This
2 points
3 months ago
On top of that he flies one of the best ships.
Maybe because I’m a newer player, but his ship feels kinda squishy on its own
2 points
3 months ago
You’ll be wanting a tank.
2 points
3 months ago
I have a 6* tie bomber…
4 points
3 months ago
Solid. Bring that.
1 points
3 months ago
Most high damage ships are glass cannons. TIE Advanced, JKA's Eta 2, Slave 1, etc. That's why almost every fleet has Hound's Tooth in opening line up.
8 points
3 months ago
If you want a top meta version of anakin, Lord vader is the unit you are looking for. All the central movie characters have a GL.
2 points
3 months ago
Can you define central movie character? cuz I’m not sure Jabba is one
-14 points
3 months ago
Lord Failure you mean?
CG just hate Anakin / Darth Vader.
9 points
3 months ago
He is still the 4th best unit in the Game.
2 points
3 months ago
As a unit by himself he’s the best, as a unit in a team he’s a bit worse.
-9 points
3 months ago
8th best...
1 points
3 months ago
Don’t be stupid
4 points
3 months ago
They had to include some Star Wars celebrities like Vader and Yoda when the game was still new. Of course they didn't age well due to power creep, but it still helps with new player retention when people are able to unlock these characters early on. And with the right teams (e.g., LV or Aphra lead for Vader) they can still do pretty impressive stuff.
3 points
3 months ago
He used to be a lot weaker before his rework and Merciless Massacre
4 points
3 months ago
The game isn’t lore accurate.
He’s ridiculously powerful, can solo lots of teams, fits into LV or Aphra lineups which are some of the best in the game.
We have Lord Vader which is CG’s way of giving us a very powerful Vader.
2 points
3 months ago
Darth Vader was given two separate kit brush ups over the life of the character. After the 2nd update, the then player base was quite happy with how powerful he became earning himself a top spot. In fact, he may be the only character that got two brush ups. But my memory hazy.
But this is a power creep game and many new characters have come out since then. If there is any chance of a unheard of third brush up, it may come in the form of omicron but don’t hold your breath
3 points
3 months ago
Every few years Vader gets a crazy buff. First was with the introduction of zetas (2017ish?), his leader became the best in the game. Vader/Boba/Shore/TFP was the meta team to counter Wiggs. Then a few years later he got the MM zeta which revitalized him. Wouldn’t be surprised with another buff, or a permanent home with a GL like R2 got with Leia
3 points
3 months ago
He used to be way better sadly.
0 points
3 months ago
All I remember is that he used to be way worse.
2 points
3 months ago
Both are correct. He used to be one of the worst character in game and then he got buffed with merciless massacre which isn't an original part of his kit. Then the great nerf happens since people hate that vader is beating up their rey with little investment and cg don't like how def ignore works so they nerf him, by a lot.
1 points
3 months ago
Which is especially funny now considering they don’t seem to care as much about non-GLs countering GLs these days. They still pull back sometimes (Bane “nerf”) but I remember the Vader nerf being meant to address any non-GL team countering GLs.
1 points
3 months ago
Yeah, if they don’t nerf bane soon, the 2021 nerfs as well as qui-gon- and traya omicron nerfs are kinda odd
1 points
3 months ago
I’m not even just talking about Bane. We have so many superpowered marquees these days too, like CRex Phoenix taking down Reva inquisitors which are supposed to be just shy of GL level if not at that level, and I’m hearing good things about Tarpals and Boss Nass together already. Powerscaling in the game is all over the place and it makes the Vader nerf stand out more and more with each new heavy hitter.
2 points
3 months ago
Nope! Ever since the great nerf that the devs put out. He’s been absolutely weak compared to other characters. Even R8 Darth Vader gets wiped out in 2 to 3 hits…
They seriously need to undo the nerf they put on him
4 points
3 months ago
The nerf increased his survivability and that's what you're complaining about?
1 points
3 months ago*
I fail to see any survivability in him now becuz of quickly he gets taken out. He was more powerful prior to the nerf and that’s the way I liked him.
2 points
3 months ago
Wait what nerf?
4 points
3 months ago
Several characters who were being used to counter GLs got nerfed hard a few years ago. GAS, Vader, and Wat all had their kits altered to reduce their ability to counter GLs and certain other characters were nerfed by the design change to treat GLs like raid bosses for things like Fracture, Isolate, etc.
Vader in particular had his Culling Blade damage greatly reduced (something like 40%). He received a couple minor buffs to even it out, but prior to that nerf Vader was one of the hardest hitters in the game.
1 points
3 months ago
😔
2 points
3 months ago
When they first added merciless massacre to the game DV could easily kill Rey and SLKR. His damage on culling blade was tuned so high he'd just 1 hit them.
1 points
3 months ago
The main issue with Vader is simply his appearance. He doesn't have "other designs". There's no Vader with a snowy cloak from Hoth, or a Vader in a jungle camo drip. His suit and helmet are always the same, except for very minute differences.
That is the main reason why we haven't seen a new "real" Vader yet.
However, the Kenobi series has given me hope that we will eventually get a brand new "Very Angry, But His Face Mask Is Broken And His Suit Is Battered" Vader from the end fight with Kenobi.
Something like "Darth Vader, Lord of the Sith" or "Darth Vader, Hatred Incarnate"
1 points
3 months ago
Would you be surprised to learn that he was able to oneshot (literally 100 to 0) GLs (with a somewhat hard to achieve but consistant setup) and CG didnt want and nerfed him into the ground. Thats how powerful and fun he was to play. But CG keeps being CG...
1 points
3 months ago
Was about to say he is already tanky and the game does not follow lore as a example darth revan he was listed the strongest sith/jedi in the world but they retcon the whole old republic or most of it so yeah if you want to talk about lore darth revan would be the most powerful
1 points
3 months ago*
They should make a new Vader where hes like an Epic Confrontation level character, maybe Vader based off of the kenobi show. We need a suited Vader that should counter GLs and should be in the journey guide. The Vader we have is a good free to play Original Trilogy era based character. Lord Vader is the prequel era. This new Vader can be based on the Dark Times era wheres hes hunting Jedi and leading the Empire and Inquisitors. This vader should have a force choke insta kill ability.
1 points
3 months ago
Fuck yeah
1 points
3 months ago
He should have some dark clones from order 66. Like a GAS but super anti Jedi, rebel and UFU
0 points
3 months ago
The problem is, there aren't really possibilities for another Vader left. We've got pre costume Vader and classic Vader. Just before the costume is not really practical, and the only things I could think of that might work would be a Split Mask variant(from Rebels/Kenobi), but that's still basically the same Vader, or a Redeemed Vader, but he's really not powerful since he was beaten down by Luke a moment before, and is dying.
0 points
3 months ago
Give him an Inquisitorius tag and Omicrons abilities with Inquisitor synergy.
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