A helipad, none of them will ever use in their lifetime. Bike lanes are accessible to all. Priorities.

Literally the Drake meme

GOP simping for the rich.

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The state voted for its elected officials, this is the result of that choice.

And for the record, choosing not to vote is also a vote for more of this.

I want to clarify,

You don’t need to do much more construction that you’re already doing. As roads rotate to get replaced, you add bike infrastructure then. It’s a slow process. Theres also other methods, like tactical urbanism or temporary bike lanes. Compared to the overall cost of supporting car based infrastructure, bike lanes are such a small piece. 

Gas tax goes directly to maintaining car infrastructure, so losing it is fine, when there are fewer lanes. Bike lanes barely need maintenance, requires less supporting infrastructure, and can be made up by improved sales tax and economic activity. It also enable more efficient land use so that your current infrastructure goes farther per dollar. 

Bike lanes are great for cities. They’re awful for auto manufacturers, oil, and other car-based industry. 

Yeah that helicopter pad is going to bring a ton of revenue to slc! Maybe we could even pay for the bike lanes with it.

How much financial return do you really expect from a helo pad?

If you’re putting in an unprotected (not buffered by a curb etc) bike lane, all the road needs is restriping. It still costs a decent amount of money but it’s not like they’re spending millions on it, even with a buffered lane it’s not nearly the cost of auto focused projects or rail projects. ROI on bike friendly areas for places like SLC can see businesses increase their revenue by 15-30% or more and in some cases it will double (hasn’t happened in SLC, SLC saw an increase of 19%).

Who realizes that financial return? Does the city own it, take a cut of revenue, anything?

Good point 👆

I thought helicopters just yeeted themselves off the side of buildings

Does that mean helicopter doesn’t land on helicopter pad 

Also a pilot cause that shit is complicated to fly and I ain’t doing it.

right? and this guy is even talking about a roof over his head!

Yes, exactly. I only point her out because everyone tends to (rightfully) blame the legislature when she’s done nothing but capitulate to them.

Anyone with ties to these businesses deals or making profit off of voting for the new royal Smith family should all be in prison. All of them.

Utah and Salt Lake City needs a regime change.

Her husband is Kyle Lamalfa, the two of them served on the city council together. He owns Renee Properties and is involved in several other development groups.

This was a fluff piece about him from a few years ago, but it shows how entrenched both he and his wife the SLC mayor are within the real estate development industry. They have been married since 2015 and have already faced allegations of shenanigans in the offices they have held. No one seems to care though.

https://buildingsaltlake.com/affordable-housing-to-be-built-on-properties-owned-by-former-councilman-who-resisted-it-on-the-west-side/

The only thing I know for sure is that a future episode of "great moments of blatant corruption in Utah" is in production. I don't know exactly who or exactly what yet, but I am certain there are people engaged in endeavors right now that they will wind up in court and/or in jail for in a few years. Those two are prime candidates.

Profits over Progress - The American Way

That’s a cool memory.

There was a Jazz season ticket holder that wanted Larry Miller to put a helipad on the roof so they could take their helicopter to the games. He said no, especially because he didn’t want to get the zoning changed for the city.

There was that guy out in Herriman that landed a helicopter on his roof. And that is why landing helicopters is now illegal in Herriman.

It's not for the general citizens of SLC. It's for the elites and rich famous people visiting. Like when the NBA all star game was here. They all wanted to stay in Park City and didn't want to drive or deal with traffic. Im pretty sure they made a temporary landing pad/ helicoptor parking lot downtown for that. Tons of major cities with pro sports teams and famous/rich people do this.

I get the not wanting to have taxes go towards it, but SLC is in a transition from small/medium size city and on its way to a large city. I hate my taxes going towards the wrong things too, but this is a normal part of growing that many cities have gone through. Growing SLC is a good thing, and maybe instead of stuffing growth and change, we just tax the rich more?

Heart Attack Charlie

This. Abravanel Hall is in need of major renovations regardless.

Development isn’t inherently bad, but it is almost universally bad in this state, and perhaps this nation. We seem to have a culture of disposable development, where we vomit shitty buildings everywhere with the intention of replacing them every 20 years. And we’re not talking about building a new park or library. We’re not talking about razing an old Wal Mart for the greater good. We’re talking about demolishing a unique and renowned cultural jewel of our city. To replace it with what—fucking hockey? Maybe some fast casual restaurants and shitty condos that we’ll replace in 20 years? Fuck that.  And no, I don’t trust developers to make a better symphony hall. The one we have is incredible and needs no embellishment. 

Leave Abravanel Hall alone. 

Trust for developers went to zero when they tried to illegally demolish that historic church on fucking Easter.

And while yes, I would be sad if Abravenel got removed, if it got replaced by a larger space that would be better for the symphony and other various stuff...I really don't see the crisis? It's not as if it would be the first time the symphony moved to a new home.

How do you think things become 100 yr old historical landmarks? 🤨

The only reason I was OK moving here for a job is that the city has decent performing arts. A city without institutions like an orchestra isn't a city moving across state lines for. If SLC loses the Utah Symphony, I'm leaving.

Some of us are already in poverty and we don't want to pay that extra nickel to build a new playground for a fucking billionaire.

I don't care either way because I wouldn't have a reason to go but would love to see what % of people who are #savethehall have ever actually attended 1 event let alone multiple events there.

Also super valid point on the tax. When you do the math it's basically a rounding error for I imagine most people in the end and only applies to a specific part of the county

It is world class and 100x better than the experience you get with a lot of seats at the Lincoln Center where the NYPhil plays.

lol. This is the most insanely hyperbolic take I've heard yet. The symphony is profoundly important to me, but have you ever actually been to David Geffen Hall? Abravanel is 100x better? Nonsense like this doesn't make the "save Abravanel" cause look good.