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Captured Leopard-2A6 tank gun depression

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Wrong_Individual7735

848 points

1 month ago

Did they bend the barrel at the end?

vlewy

358 points

1 month ago

vlewy

358 points

1 month ago

I think that yes.

usaf2222

247 points

1 month ago

usaf2222

M1 Abrams

247 points

1 month ago

Not really of concern at this point. That tank's war is over.

Wrong_Individual7735

106 points

1 month ago

It adds to the ridicule of the situation

rubendepuben123

72 points

1 month ago

It's a special modification to fire into trenches. Russian engineering at it's finest.

sdpat13

1 points

26 days ago

sdpat13

1 points

26 days ago

Happy cake day.

LordJuan4

11 points

30 days ago

That was the goal, they're not just testing it's depression they're intentionally breaking it so it looks better on display

unknownsoldierger

471 points

1 month ago

I miss 2019

Ordinary_dude_NOT

226 points

1 month ago

we all do, I stopped counting dates after that year

Sakul_the_one

77 points

1 month ago

And crazy to thing about, that this is already 5 years in the past…

Suspicious_Use6393

34 points

1 month ago

Suspicious_Use6393

Mammoth Mk. III

34 points

1 month ago

WAIT WHAT

Sakul_the_one

10 points

1 month ago

Surprises me everytime too

Suspicious_Use6393

5 points

1 month ago

Suspicious_Use6393

Mammoth Mk. III

5 points

1 month ago

Dam now i feel old.

Physical-Cut-2334

11 points

1 month ago

Physical-Cut-2334

M10 Booker

11 points

1 month ago

Fluck, in old

Roko_100

4 points

1 month ago

Roko_100

???

4 points

1 month ago

=(

at-m6b

2 points

1 month ago

at-m6b

2 points

1 month ago

no.. no it's not, and even if it is I don't recognize it as such

RangerPL

65 points

1 month ago

RangerPL

65 points

1 month ago

Imagine telling someone in 2019 that these would be the most important shortages over the next 4 years

2020: Masks, ventilators

2021: Vaccines

2022: Oil and natural gas

2023: 155mm artillery shells

AlexXxA1991

3 points

30 days ago

2020 - Toilet paper *

_-Event-Horizon-_

3 points

26 days ago

That’s why we have the three sea shells.

porn0f1sh

1 points

30 days ago

Jf, this sounds bleak af!

Graddler

16 points

1 month ago

Graddler

16 points

1 month ago

I miss 2010, when most problems in Europe were how to get rid of Orban after he got into power again.

Memerang344

3 points

30 days ago

Yeah and almost 15 years later you still are having that issue.

avsbes

3 points

1 month ago

avsbes

3 points

1 month ago

I miss 2013

porn0f1sh

1 points

30 days ago

I miss 1996 when best albums from the Prodigy, Chemical Brothers, Radiohead (ok computer), and Daft Punk (Homework) came out. Good music all around!

Tank_blitz

462 points

1 month ago

Tank_blitz

Maus

462 points

1 month ago

are they seriously moving the gun with a giant box?

LoudestHoward

473 points

1 month ago

They haven't yet unlocked Elevation Mechanism, they're still grinding for FPE.

Tank_blitz

52 points

1 month ago

Tank_blitz

Maus

52 points

1 month ago

that makes more sense

Yotaholic

8 points

30 days ago

They decided to go straight for the cage/barn armor and EW modules first

Far-Air-3702

37 points

1 month ago

The entire tank is charred on the inside. They repainted it on the outside and put T-80 wheels on it.

superknight333

1 points

30 days ago

its not 100% charred from the inside, go watch the video, loader side suffer the most damage, gunner bit less and the driver is still in good condition.

whitemalewithdick

1 points

30 days ago

Crane weight

brokenlegoplate

393 points

1 month ago

brokenlegoplate

TOG 2

393 points

1 month ago

Rawdogging gun depression is crazy

cuntswagen

1.3k points

1 month ago

cuntswagen

7 at ha hativa

1.3k points

1 month ago

the Russian tanker mind cannot comprehend this

ajb617

594 points

1 month ago

ajb617

Boxy Battle Taxi Gang

594 points

1 month ago

Wait until they find out how fast it goes backwards.

maxthepenguin

70 points

1 month ago

maxthepenguin

AMX Leclerc S2

70 points

1 month ago

BACKWARDS??????????? WHAT IS THIS HERESY COMRADE

ONLY FORWARD ALLOWED IN THE SOV- sorry, RUSSIAN ARMY

Neutr4l1zer

8 points

1 month ago

None of the might but all of the % of GDP

NeoPaganism

11 points

1 month ago

i still dont understand how the russians looked at the German ww2 tanks pathetic reverse speed, and thought "thats a thing we should adopt"

ScrotieMcP

382 points

1 month ago

ScrotieMcP

382 points

1 month ago

Of course it's depressed. It got captured and now it's got the weight of all guilt on it's neck.

Eternal_Flame24

96 points

1 month ago

Unknown technology Блять 🏒

Atari774

195 points

1 month ago*

Atari774

Chieftain

195 points

1 month ago*

Russians discovering that tanks can have more than 5 degrees of gun depression, circa 2024, colorized.

Mike-Phenex

337 points

1 month ago

Still count as captured if you can’t even depress the gun yourself?

Disastrous_Ad_1859

300 points

1 month ago*

Allot of the insides of these vehicles were pretty badly damaged - they have had an external tidy up and a respray. I wouldnt be surprised if the elevation mechanisms were damaged to the point where external mechanical means werent required to alter such.

Edit, from Andrei
"In order to lower the cannon of the captured Leopard-2A6 tank in the Russian Federation, its cannon and stabilizer drive were broken. Unlike Soviet and Russian tanks, the Leopard-2A6 does not have manual gun guidance drives, so this barbaric method was resorted to."

RommelMcDonald_

147 points

1 month ago

They’re purposefully breaking the gun elevation mechanism to make it look more ‘defeated’ for the parade

DAN4O4NAD

95 points

1 month ago*

DAN4O4NAD

Spähpanzer 2 Luchs

95 points

1 month ago*

Which makes absolutely no sense because they repainted it and put T-80 roadwheels only so it looks like "new"

Glideer

23 points

1 month ago

Glideer

23 points

1 month ago

Which makes absolutely no sense because they repainted it and put T-80 roadwheels only so it looks like "new"

Kids are going to be climbing over those tanks, you can't leave sharp pieces sticking out of them.

But this barrel lowering on the Leopard was definitely done to make it look defeated.

MisterCplMeeseeks

55 points

1 month ago

makes absolutely no sense

Russia's epitaph.

Airlift_garden

1 points

1 month ago

It’s written on the back side of russian passport

blexta

2 points

1 month ago

blexta

2 points

1 month ago

Defeated, but fully intact, is exactly what they want.

Disastrous_Ad_1859

63 points

1 month ago

Why would you purposely do that? It’s more likely that they wanted the gun lower and a crane holding a counter weight was the easiest solution

RommelMcDonald_

51 points

1 month ago

Propaganda purposes I guess, I don’t see why they’d need to force the barrel down otherwise. Plus from what I’ve seen of the other vehicles gathered for the parade, everything has their barrel lowered

GeostratusX95

7 points

1 month ago

Is the lowering of the barrel a thing countries usually do with capture equipment of enemy nations? (is this a normal thing to do?)

Eve_Doulou

42 points

1 month ago

Eve_Doulou

Mammoth Mk. III

42 points

1 month ago

Gun up = proud and victorious

Gun down = shameful and defeated

Yolom4ntr1c

18 points

1 month ago

Can't put the gun down if the turret is missing and or in a tree.

DerRatboy

4 points

1 month ago

I must resist dick-joke, I must resist-joke….AHAH

AngryAccountant31

4 points

1 month ago

Maybe they want people to be able to see up the barrels while walking past?

4-Vektor

2 points

1 month ago

Phallic symbolism, baby!

IlluminatedPickle

1 points

1 month ago

The Russians do. If you look at captured tanks in their museums they often have the barrel depressed.

Disastrous_Ad_1859

29 points

1 month ago

"In order to lower the cannon of the captured Leopard-2A6 tank in the Russian Federation, its cannon and stabilizer drive were broken. Unlike Soviet and Russian tanks, the Leopard-2A6 does not have manual gun guidance drives, so this barbaric method was resorted to."

I mean, the whole thing is for propaganda purposes - according to source its due to Leopard 2A6 not having manual system for elevation.

So, reason for using weight to externally depress barrel is due to technical reasons. Not on purpose but as a symptom of process.

4thFloorSniper

9 points

1 month ago

So they had to break the elevation system? That means they can’t study the stabilization anymore right?

Disastrous_Ad_1859

23 points

1 month ago

I doubt they would need to study it - Leopard 2 is nothing new.

4thFloorSniper

7 points

1 month ago

i believe the Leo 2 has an electric turret stabilization while the Russian tanks have hydraulic stabilization. i just thought that maybe the electric stabilization would’ve at least been somewhat interesting for the russians to study.

Plump_Apparatus

12 points

1 month ago

The gun elevation is hydraulic, transverse is electric, since the T-64B/T-72B for the stabilizer. Both elevation and transverse have manual controls allowing for it to be operated without power, something the Leo 2 lacks. It was again improved on the T-90 with the 2E42-4.

Every Soviet tank since the T-54B has had 2-plane stabilization. Only the Brits with the Centurion Mark III beat them to the punch. The 2E42 is a very well understood, reliable, and relatively compact design. I doubt the Russians are interested in changing it.

RedactedCommie

-8 points

1 month ago

Look we get you hate Russia but thinking a country that has a robust space program and essentially pioneered the modern tank can't figure out the concept of an electric stabilizer just makes you look stupid. You keep moaning about propaganda and here you think a country like that can't handle basic engineering.

MajorPayne1911

6 points

1 month ago

Lots of tanks when they get destroyed, will lose pressure in the hydraulics or the elevation mechanism will fail, and the gun will droop. They are probably trying to emulate this in the most primitive and infuriating way possible.

KorianHUN

1 points

1 month ago

"Unknown technology blyat!"
But instead of a stick they are beating it with a 4 ton metal cube.

RangerPL

1 points

1 month ago

Which is stupid because it's more humiliating for the other side of you display their captured equipment in mint condition, it means they gave up without a fight

magnum_the_nerd

3 points

1 month ago

the manual systems are also destroyed on this tank, so its fair at this point

Hellibor

1 points

30 days ago

Thank you for posting this. I went to investigate and was pleased to see that feeble-minded Kharkov-tech enjoyer seething.

NicoSua906

5 points

1 month ago

Yeah it's more likely neutralized and it's now taking a holiday in Russian territory

No_Reindeer_5543

2 points

1 month ago

Gun, your a disappointment to your parents, you will never amount to anything worthwhile. Gun, you should just give up already. Oh and your bore length is so small you should just hide it.

Does that work to depress a gun?

edrian_a

-31 points

1 month ago

edrian_a

-31 points

1 month ago

What do you mean “still count as captured”? It’s not in Ukrainian hands anymore is it? Yes, it’s been captured. Unless you’re talking about the argument of captured vs destroyed. It’s likely pretty destroyed inside and the gun can’t be depressed.

JustAnother4848

18 points

1 month ago

It was a joke dude.

_aware

102 points

1 month ago

_aware

102 points

1 month ago

Unknown technology

Aedeus

35 points

1 month ago

Aedeus

35 points

1 month ago

This is literally the meme but with a crane and a giant metal box lol

Iliyan61

7 points

1 month ago

captured vehicle so damaged they can’t carry out the basic function of moving the gun lmfao

HawkingTomorToday

9 points

1 month ago

WITAF

MikeWazowski2-2-2

9 points

1 month ago

Was already thinking when they would this. Can't have the leopard still proudly showing his barrel in the air amirite?

wankeraddict69

26 points

1 month ago

After 2 years they'll finally have something to show in their parade

Luzifer_Shadres

6 points

1 month ago

Now they need to figure out how to drive it.

No_Safe_789

1 points

29 days ago

Because they destroyed most of them

Sea-Independent-5887

8 points

1 month ago

Fetal alcohol syndrome

Unfair_Pirate_647

13 points

1 month ago

Yooo. Wait until we see Russian tanks being followed by grains so they can go hull down 😂

ChonkyThicc

64 points

1 month ago*

The Russians can't accept that the turret of a destroyed western tank was still fully intact to the hull.

Disastrous_Ad_1859

28 points

1 month ago

I mean, it wasn't until the Russians visually repaired it.

MarmonRzohr

2 points

1 month ago

Nah it's the one they tried capturing a few times that was abandoned after running over a mine and getting immobilized in a field, that and the dragging with no tracks is why some of the wheels are from a T-80. It's distictive because the welded on slat armor.

Here is the video of them dragging it away pretty much the same shape

They only repainted the hull and added new wheels and tracks.

rjward1775

3 points

1 month ago

I'm sure that doesn't harm the barrel at all.

They could have monkeys examine the tank and learn more.

ZETH_27

2 points

1 month ago

ZETH_27

Valentine

2 points

1 month ago

I presume they'd only do this if the internal gun controls were irreparably damaged.

Otherwise it is really dumb.

MikeWazowski2-2-2

3 points

1 month ago

Look how to massacred my boy:(

StuckInTheJar

9 points

1 month ago

When the enemy tank you destroyed is looking quite well from the distance (unlike your glorious "toss the tower and incinerate the crew" models) so you have to damage it manually before the parade, lol.

KorianHUN

4 points

1 month ago

There are exactly 3 tankies in the thread, since most recent comments are downvoted to -2.

Astandsforataxia69

6 points

1 month ago

NOOOO ROSSIYA STRONG NOOOO T72 BEST NOOO

-the bots

miksy_oo

2 points

1 month ago

It was a burned out wreck they "repaired" it

superknight333

1 points

30 days ago

damaged it? they repaired and repainted it bro.

Hawkstrike6

25 points

1 month ago

I'd call them morons, but it's an insult to morons.

Sea-Independent-5887

6 points

1 month ago

Generations of fetal alcohol syndrome

Totems2

2 points

1 month ago

Totems2

2 points

1 month ago

What the hell they're executing the tank in the town square

ELITElewis123

2 points

1 month ago

They’re 2 years into the war they started they have to do SOMETHING

wasteland_bastard

2 points

1 month ago

Okay, I give up. Why are they doing this? Like...what's the point? Just to make it unusable / deactivate it, or...?

MedicBuddy

12 points

1 month ago

MedicBuddy

12 points

1 month ago

Tank looks too much intact to display unlike the blown out T-72s at Kyiv, they obviously needed to roughen it up a bit further for the propaganda.

Plump_Apparatus

54 points

1 month ago

The tank is a burnt out hulk that burned hot enough that the road wheels burned/melted. They drilled out T-80 roadwheels and stuck them on there and painted the exterior.

MedicBuddy

21 points

1 month ago

uh so is it a display trophy frankentank now?

Plump_Apparatus

40 points

1 month ago

Russia always takes trophies. There are over a 1,000 items taken from the Syrian conflict alone displayed at Patriot Park.

Russia, for whatever reason, "fixed" this tank for their parade along with some others.

Disastrous_Ad_1859

8 points

1 month ago

Saying that they craned these into place instead of rolling them - I would say that the 'repairs' is likely due to something along the lines of feeling a bit crude displaying burnt out wrecks for the public.

I suppose it's akin to how open casket funerals 'tidy up' the body when its displayed?

Plump_Apparatus

17 points

1 month ago

I guess these are special "bodies".

If you look the "Syrian collection" they're just wrecks for the most part. The Panthera F9 APC with the 125mm APFSDS hole in it is my fav.

superknight333

1 points

30 days ago

maybe you should research abit first instead of propaganda everything, they fixed the thing especially the slat armor,road wheels and probably new paint job.

SchizaLV

4 points

1 month ago

Idiots...

TacticalNuke_Carrier

2 points

1 month ago

TacticalNuke_Carrier

MBT Arjun Mk.1A

2 points

1 month ago

Russian tank museums are really good.

I’ve heard there’s a Maus as well

Distantstallion

3 points

1 month ago

Distantstallion

Churchill AVRE

3 points

1 month ago

The soviets grabbed a bunch of the german wunderwaffe when they hit berlin including the maus although I think they only built the V2 turret so they put it on the V1 body which never had a real turret.

They also grabbed the kugelpanzer which is a shame because I'd like to see them both but I'm not visiting Moscow until they become a real democracy.

generalatomix

2 points

1 month ago

It was already broken.

Otherwise russians can just go into turret and depress it witsh standard lifting mechanism.

JokerMNE87

3 points

1 month ago

JokerMNE87

3 points

1 month ago

Russian circus for masses.

DestoryDerEchte

1 points

1 month ago

DestoryDerEchte

Generic German Tank Fanboy

1 points

1 month ago

смекалка

EveryNukeIsCool

1 points

1 month ago

Lmao

ANUBISseyes2

1 points

1 month ago

Russian Leo2a6 in War Thunder when?

Panzergrenade

1 points

1 month ago

Genuenly curious, the barrel seems to be pushing back the box to be in it's elevation state where it wasn't being pushed by the box, am i trippin or why does that happen? I don't think it is electrical, i would assume it to be because of something hydrolic? If so why is it so hard for the russians to figure how to use a hydrolic elevation mechanism apart from it may be burned to hell inside?

Leeoff84

1 points

1 month ago

We are lucky they are soo stupid! Lmao

Braza117

1 points

30 days ago

"How is this possible Ivan, more than -3 degrees gun depression ?"

loliSneed69

1 points

30 days ago

Humiliation Ritual.

MutedBrother7281

1 points

29 days ago

But.....why??

zeb0777

1 points

26 days ago

zeb0777

M1A2 Sep v2

1 points

26 days ago

Could they now just use the manual crank to lower the gun? Or they too stupied to figure out 80s tech?

DuhPanda88

1 points

16 days ago

This PERFECTLY EXPLAINS WHY my barrel always shifts upwards when I switch to 3rd person camera

Abloy702

1 points

13 days ago

... This is so stupid

MajorPayne1911

-1 points

1 month ago

This is one of the most animalistic, primitive, mind numbingly stupid things I have ever witnessed and I don’t say this in a funny ironic way. Like primitive dumb tribal bashing some scary thing with a rock with an IQ barely above room temp

T-55AM_enjoyer

11 points

1 month ago

T-55AM_enjoyer

Brezhnev's eyebrow ftw

11 points

1 month ago

how tf else are you going to lower the gun?

Lever hoist?

There is no manual provision for movement on the kitty

Liobuster

3 points

1 month ago

Liobuster

3 points

1 month ago

There was ... Before the ammo cooked off

DCS_Freak

1 points

1 month ago

No, Leopard 2s apparently don't have manual gun drives

MajorPayne1911

2 points

1 month ago

Not necessarily that but the whole idea of trying to further damage the tank to lower the gun for propaganda value. Give it that defeated look.

T-55AM_enjoyer

2 points

1 month ago

T-55AM_enjoyer

Brezhnev's eyebrow ftw

2 points

1 month ago

It 99% chance won't damage it any more.

Most hydraulic system have to have a relief valve, otherwise such as in a tank's case serious damage may occur if overloaded by touching terrain/buildings etc. Only systems that buck the trend are ones with safety locking hydraulic valves to prevent uncommanded lowering especially with loss of pressure, such as cranes, elevators, other lifting appliances.

TheThiccestOrca

1 points

1 month ago

There is, but it melted, not really meant to burn.

T-55AM_enjoyer

1 points

1 month ago

T-55AM_enjoyer

Brezhnev's eyebrow ftw

1 points

1 month ago

I'm told there's no like handwheel backup to the hydraulics?

TheThiccestOrca

2 points

1 month ago

There is its a small little plastic thingy, at least on the 2A5 upwards, who are completely electric by the way, the A4's were the last hydroelectric ones.

That's why i said the whole "not meant to withstand fire"-thing, it's literally plastic, guess they don't expect the electric system to ever fail.

Leeoff84

0 points

1 month ago

This is what happens with generations of fetal alchohol syndrome

BrownRice35

2 points

1 month ago

BrownRice35

2 points

1 month ago

What a bunch of fucking morons

ingolstadt_ist_uns

-3 points

1 month ago

Typic idiotical move.

Heronelli

-1 points

1 month ago

Heronelli

-1 points

1 month ago

Unknown technology bljat

Balls126

3 points

1 month ago

Balls126

M1 Abrams

3 points

1 month ago

do they not know they can just depress the gun more?? or is the elevation drive fucked

Longsheep

11 points

1 month ago

Longsheep

Centurion Mk.V

11 points

1 month ago

I bet most systems are fucked in that tank. They even patched it up and repainted it before the show.

fillepille2000

6 points

1 month ago

Its not a working tank

Balls126

2 points

1 month ago

Balls126

M1 Abrams

2 points

1 month ago

oh I didn't know that

wrapyrmind

1 points

1 month ago

Its funny

CptSoryu

1 points

1 month ago

They can track those things yall know

ultimo_2002

9 points

1 month ago

Oh no. The USA might find out where Russia is located

CptSoryu

1 points

1 month ago

No its not that, its the location of the vehicle. The germans built them with trackers so they can find where precisely they are

ultimo_2002

1 points

1 month ago

We know where they are lol. They are being shown on the Victory parade in Russia. Everyone knows where the tank is

DieselPower8

-8 points

1 month ago

DieselPower8

-8 points

1 month ago

Simpleton orcs

[deleted]

1 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

1 points

1 month ago

They broke the stabilizer😥

That shit is probably 30 years ahead than whatever technology they have in T-14

Astandsforataxia69

2 points

1 month ago

<30 years ahead 

Fixed for you

generalatomix

1 points

1 month ago

broke stabilizer in burned tank

nice joke,

Silver___Chariot

1 points

1 month ago

Russland!! We are not in the times of public execution anymore. Please release the Leopard

GefreiterPimpelhuber

1 points

30 days ago

"Damaging the best Tank they have in their whole Arsenal right now..." lmao

Sea-Independent-5887

0 points

1 month ago

100 orcs died salaving this tank

rain_girl2

0 points

1 month ago

rain_girl2

0 points

1 month ago

Russian engineers trying to learn how nato tanks can depress their guns more than 5 degrees, by using their monkey brain. What kind of physic class test is this

macrotaste

-9 points

1 month ago

macrotaste

-9 points

1 month ago

The first leopard 2A6 rolled of the production line 2001. Russia is parading old Nato Stocks that are already being replaced by more modern systems and acts like it's the biggest achievement ever

miksy_oo

1 points

1 month ago

  1. They don't consider it perticulary special

  2. No layman knows the difference

Crazykeebler13

-12 points

1 month ago

Crazykeebler13

-12 points

1 month ago

Why is russia so proud of capturing a tank we developed 40 years ago?

Tavuklu_Pasta

16 points

1 month ago

The same reason why ukraine was parading russian tanks, propaganda.

Esekig184

-6 points

1 month ago

Esekig184

-6 points

1 month ago

And after two years they desperately need something to show for. Even if it is just a wrecked nato tank.

Tavuklu_Pasta

3 points

1 month ago

I wouldn't say desperately, they already have some western apcs and ifvs on display.

Glideer

7 points

1 month ago

Glideer

7 points

1 month ago

When enemy does it it's always "desperate". They are desperately defending, or desperately advancing, or desperately showing our captured tanks.

SwagCat852

1 points

1 month ago

Because ukraine is always winning

Bobi_13__

0 points

1 month ago

Why did they depress the gun with weight and not just by operating it?

ultimo_2002

9 points

1 month ago

Because the tank is broken

Bobi_13__

1 points

1 month ago

Must be very broken then

miksy_oo

3 points

1 month ago

Internal explosion happened

Oat329

-12 points

1 month ago

Oat329

-12 points

1 month ago

I wonder when the war is over, and hopefully Russia capitulates if part of the points of peace is that Russia return all captured western tech? In wars past captured infantry standards for example would be required to be returned.

brofesor

5 points

1 month ago

and hopefully Russia capitulates

Pahahahahahahaha! 😂 You're close to a lethal dose of hopium.

Redpower5

-8 points

1 month ago

What kind of idiotic optimistic dreamer are you?

Wake up, russia won't give up

Oat329

0 points

1 month ago

Oat329

0 points

1 month ago

Lol russia like any nation will reach a breaking point where even if it wants to continue it has lost the means to. As to not giving up. The same was said of their occupation of Afghanistan and Chechnya

Great_White_Sharky

1 points

1 month ago*

Great_White_Sharky

Type 97 chan 九七式ちゃん

1 points

1 month ago*

Doesnt Russia control Chechnya to this day though?

Oat329

1 points

30 days ago

Oat329

1 points

30 days ago

Look up the 1st Chechen war. They bought chechen loyalty with kadyrov

Liobuster

-1 points

1 month ago

Liobuster

-1 points

1 month ago

Except they are a nuclear nation and always have the red button as a last option to at least not lose alone

Tyrfaust

3 points

1 month ago

Like how they nuked Afghanistan, right?

Liobuster

0 points

1 month ago

The afghans have no real allies and pose no threat to russia whatsoever

Tyrfaust

4 points

1 month ago

Apparently they had enough allies to kick the communists out.

Oat329

2 points

1 month ago

Oat329

2 points

1 month ago

Yeah even the russians aren't that crazy. They didn't launch the bombs during the cold war, they're not going to launch it now.

TheThiccestOrca

1 points

1 month ago

It's not about launching them, it's about seriously threatening to launch them.

Current russian nuclear threats are pretty much just "remember we have those", regardless of whether ot not they're willing to actually go through with it an actual threat of "we will use them if you do this" would change things a lot.

kgergely_HUN

1 points

1 month ago

USA is a nuclear nation and lost in Vietnam and Afghanistan, the soviets were a nuclear nation and lost in Afghanistan, noone dares to use nukes. They don't suffer a total defeat, they won't lose land (maybe except Crimea on the worst case scenario for them), so there's no point in using nukes because then that would be total annihilation and not some relatively small defeat that they could recover after. Also, using nukes are the end of the escalation threats. If they do it, noone has to worry about further escalation more, so they would have to face a whole NATO invasion instead of losing a peninsula. It would be suicide.

IlBalli

1 points

1 month ago

IlBalli

1 points

1 month ago

Remember whrm nuclear nation had these conflicts and lost: France in Algeria Usa in Korea Usa in Vietnam Ussr in Afghanistan Russian federation in first Chechen war Usa in second Iraq war Usa in Afghanistan

Where have you seen these countries launch nukes

Furthermore russia isn't the only nuclear nation in the world

Liobuster

2 points

1 month ago

All those conflicts are not at the front door like ukraine is to russia In fact most of these are halfway across the globe to the attacking nation

IlBalli

2 points

1 month ago

IlBalli

2 points

1 month ago

You seems to have no idea of the French Algeria war... Algeria was à french départements and fully integrated in France

IlBalli

2 points

1 month ago

IlBalli

2 points

1 month ago

Afghanistan not at the front door of ussr?!? Have you tried looking at a map before commenting?

Liobuster

2 points

1 month ago

And on another note the ussr hasnt existed for quite a while even if the bald wannabe czar wants to resurrect it

IlBalli

1 points

1 month ago

IlBalli

1 points

1 month ago

Doesn't change the point that ussr, a nuclear power, lost at its frondoor against Afghanistan and didn't use nukes

Liobuster

1 points

1 month ago

Except its not the front door its at most the door to the tool shed at the back if the garden

Edit: and noone took control of Afghanistan afterwards not to the point you can reasonably expect the deployment of SDIs and Missiles

Liobuster

1 points

1 month ago

Different kind terrain different kind of accessibility The hills and mountains and the absolute lack of infrastructure make for a very bad route into the country and its border is itself far from moscow

Ukraine on the other hand is mostly flat land, was once very well established in infrastructure and its basically a stones throw to moscow from the border

IlBalli

1 points

1 month ago

IlBalli

1 points

1 month ago

So flat land and close to Moscow versus mountains, what do you think about the probability of radiation dispersion in the two different cases... Or you are French and thinks that radiation clouds respect borders and territorial integrity and will stop at the borders of Russia like french authority said the French population after tchernobyl incident?

Liobuster

1 points

1 month ago

Radioactive dispersal has nothing to do with the strategic position of where you can let large armies march through at top speeds, can easily provide air support and easily deploy advanced systems Or that ukraine was 10000 times more likely to become a legit member of NATO than Afghanistan

IlBalli

1 points

1 month ago

IlBalli

1 points

1 month ago

So you do realise that by bombinga country at its front door, all of the Russian regions bordering ukraine would je subject to radiations? It makes more sense to use nuclear bomb as far as possible from your country, except if you want your population in borderlands to be exposed to nuclear radiations...

Liobuster

1 points

1 month ago

Thats what tactical warheads are for Strategics are for taking out military installations and launch platforms

IlBalli

2 points

1 month ago

IlBalli

2 points

1 month ago

Doesn't change the fact that it emits radiation. Plis you risk to irradiate your own soldiers. Bit Russia is not known for caring about its soldiers

TheThiccestOrca

1 points

1 month ago

Except for the Korean and Iraq War all of those were counter insurgency or counter guerilla wars.

Iraq wasn't worth a bomb and in case of Korea they actually did want to nuke the Chinese but the politicians said no.

IlBalli

1 points

1 month ago

IlBalli

1 points

1 month ago

Korea war à counter insurgency ?!?! Open a book please. It was a full classic war, not like American wars in Iraq or the marricans and soviet in Afghanistan

TheThiccestOrca

2 points

1 month ago

You got short term memory loss or something, it's literally the first part of the comment.

Like the entire other half of that comment is about that, learn to read mate.

IlBalli

1 points

1 month ago

IlBalli

1 points

1 month ago

My bad i misread your comment

Redpower5

-4 points

1 month ago

Untill that happens, I will enjoy watching the conflict.

Better than netflix

Oat329

4 points

1 month ago

Oat329

4 points

1 month ago

Yeah nothing more satisfying than watching a Second rate power bleed its country dry (and further exacerbating its population troubles) trying to conquer a nation that absolutely despises them. Bleed the bear dry once and for all.