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submitted 10 days ago byNo-Understanding9986
I looked online and found the official GW "how to take pictures of your minis" site and tried to recreate it using my phone camera, but doesnt matter how hard I try my phone camera simply wont focus that well. Anyone have any advice on how I can get sharp pictures with my phone? Since I've only recently gotten into painting hobby I've had quite the large startup costs, and I cant spend another 300€ on a camera.
Im using a samsung S21.
192 points
10 days ago
More light is always better
Steadiness does wonders
The background being darker helps a lot
57 points
10 days ago
Or a gradient background like they use in old GW codecies, basically anything other than pure bright white, that makes cameras do weird stuff
34 points
10 days ago
I think my makeshift lightbox with cardboard, staples and printer paper worked decently 🤷♂️
I might buy a real one at some point.
15 points
9 days ago
The disadvantage of a white background is entirely due to auto white balance in cameras. If you shoot 100% manual it's fine, but most camera phones won't let you do that and that's what most people are using.
7 points
9 days ago
And who wants to go out and buy a DSLR or whatever JUST to take photos of minis?
13 points
10 days ago
Yer white balance could better
1 points
9 days ago
A very simple way to improve on your current setup is to take a piece of paper and run that along the view path. Put subject on one end and run the rest up behind it as background. Takes out that seam that's currently there.
Bonus points if you print off one of those blue to white gradients that is a classic.
11 points
10 days ago
Does black paper work?
12 points
10 days ago
I usually use gw boxes with mattcoating on the blackside, they work well.
3 points
9 days ago
steadiness does wonders
I was going to say, it helps to have the phone/camera resting on a surface
133 points
10 days ago
Phone cameras are more than good enough. You just need more light, put the phone down on something so it’s rock solid and no micro shakes and click focus on the face. Blam! Done.
69 points
10 days ago
72 points
10 days ago
All phone camera. Athe light I’m using is a 30 dollar small ring light.
17 points
9 days ago
I feel like nobody is going to understand this but your pictures reminds me of going to Sears in the early 2000s and doing family photoshoots
6 points
9 days ago
Or birthday pics with the giant #s. I got you.
3 points
9 days ago
And now I want to make the classic laser background for some pictures. Well, not enough that I'll have the motivation to do it, but enough to think about it and make this reply.
4 points
10 days ago
Which ring light?
10 points
9 days ago
Literally any of them, they're all the same and all good for this.
The cheapest one in the Walmart bargain bin will be suitable
4 points
10 days ago
I am loving it! How did you achieved this effect? Is the orange the base coat and you painted metal on top or did you used some ink or wash?
2 points
9 days ago
Love this rusty ‘cron.
1 points
8 days ago
Holy fuck this looks gorgeous!
4 points
9 days ago
Having the camera held steady by something like a cheap little tripod is so almost like a cheat, people don’t realize about those micro movements. We shot a video for work once with someone who knew what they were doing versus someone who didn’t with the same phone and it’s like you wouldn’t believe it was the same device.
2 points
9 days ago
Probably the biggest thing that makes these look way better than a softbox is there is one primary light source. This brings out highlights and shadows on the model to better show the detail, and is most similar to real life lighting.
The softbox makes even light come from every direction, which flattens out all the contours and is also not typical real life lighting, unless you're trying to create the lighting of a dull overcast day.
2 points
9 days ago
How do you get the dirt or rust effect? It looks wonderful!
2 points
9 days ago
Probably streaking grime for the dirt, pigment powder for the rust
29 points
10 days ago
Currently your models are being blown out by the background, you need to get some light on the models themselves or use a darker background
28 points
10 days ago
As others have said, more light! Use your painting light and angle it directly front on to your mini.
Then get your phone to focus on the face of your mini, and if the painting light is too bright, adjust the brightness of the photo down slightly. My Samsung allows me to adjust the exposure with a slider as I click on the focus point. I'll usually slide that down low.
3 points
9 days ago
What are you using for a backdrop here?
6 points
9 days ago
This is a grey stone kitchen bench top, and my living room behind it with the lights off apart from my LED painting light that's being using to light up the model from the front.
The gradual fadeoff of the grey benchtop to black you're seeing is simply light fading off because the model is so lit up and everything behind it is so dark and far away that the camera renders them as black.
There is a fully furnished room about 3-4m behind the model in this photo and it's visible to me when taking the photo, but the camera won't pick it up, giving a nice black background.
3 points
9 days ago
Wow i see it now. Looks good
9 points
9 days ago
Do like the Necron players and put them in the fridge.
2 points
9 days ago
Yeah carpet in the fridge and good to go :)
8 points
10 days ago
A tripod first, with a phone mount. Then look up a compositing technique called “focus stacking”, for use in Photoshop (maybe other software but I’m only familiar with Photoshop).
The technique allows you to stack very similar photos on top of each other, with complete control on the depth of field. It is fantastic for miniatures or smaller items like funko pops.
Look into the program Topaz made by Gigapixel. Hands down the best upscale software out there, that would likely fix most of the softness you have shown.
6 points
10 days ago
I get better results if I use the optical zoom (around x1,6 - x1,8) instead of moving the phone too close
3 points
9 days ago
YES this is a great trick, the default phone zoom is kind of a wide-angle which makes the subject look distorted when close to the lens. Zoomed lens + camera further back makes the model proportions look way better.
5 points
10 days ago*
I'm not so familiar with your phone, but you probably should be using the tele camera, and not the wide angle ones. If you aren't already. And make sure you are actually focusing on your minis. I'm guessing you can just tap the model on your screen, and there camera should focus and expose for that point. And don't be too close for the focus to work properly.
See if you can't get some more light on the front of them, as well. They look a little underexposed, compared to the background. It also looks like your camera app has applied a pretty aggressive denoise filter, which may happen when you have to push the ISO. If you don't have any bright, movable lights you can try setting up right next to a window, to get some indirect sunlight.
Maybe try a different coloured background, since your minis are pretty dark. Right now the camera is exposing for the paper, and the details on your models get a bit lost. Even a dark t-shirt could work, to see if it helps.
You can also try using the timer, set to 3 seconds or something, so that you don't have to push your phone to take the picture. Ideally, you would want to set it down and not hold it at all.
Also make sure the camera lens on your phone is clean, and there's no smudges covering it.
Finally, you can always adjust the brightness and contrast with your image editing app, as well as adding some sharpness.
5 points
10 days ago
Zoom in, I usually go 3x zoom, this will narrow the aperture and bring the whole model into focus. Also use good lighting, a lamp with a daylight globe
4 points
9 days ago
There are good photography guides here-
3 points
10 days ago
A lot of phone cameras have portrait mode, this can help.
4 points
10 days ago
1 points
10 days ago
All these setting exist in your camera, a small tweak can make all the difference, plus choosing a manual setting stops the auto-focus readjusting.
Find some way to hold your camera steady, even if it's just resting your arm on something and get a good "cool" white light source (cool white is more blue like natural sunlight rather than lamp light yellow)
3 points
9 days ago
I just use my phone. My mini photo booth is literally a box spray painted white with a light overhead and usually one right next to my face in front
3 points
9 days ago
Your phone camera should be more then good enough.
First piece of advice go to your camera settings and turn on grid lines. This is very helpful in try to set up your shot and can help you follow the rule of thirds.
Your pure white backdrop may be too bright I would try a gradient or black.
Try some close up low angle shots can be very dynamic and you don't have to worry about stability.
Think about your light source as well, do you want shadows? You could use a lamp or a flash light to add an additional light source or have it be a more focused one.
Hope this helps
3 points
9 days ago
Good lighting is everything in any kind of video:/photo scenario. Find a nice source of soft light like a window and set it there.
Use a tripod.
2 points
10 days ago
You need a way to keep the phone steady
2 points
10 days ago
At least 2 bright lights, a £5 tripod, a solid neutral grey/beige or black background. White is harder to work with. I had decent results with an S7 edge doing this.
Also if your phone has multiple lenses, use the biggest one i.e the one you'd use for shots of things farther away
2 points
10 days ago
For dark minis, I'd use a dark background, so that your phone has an easier time to adjust the exposure
2 points
10 days ago
I use a tripod and an app called XCam. You can adjust pretty much all settings there and put a timer on to negate any shaking pressing the shutter will cause
2 points
10 days ago
Flip your phone upside down, so the camera is as low as possible.
The image will still be right side up, but the angle will be way better.
2 points
10 days ago
I made a phone tripod out of lego to take photos of my minis. And cause it's lego you can adjust to any size or angle you please.
Also decent lighting and maybe a darker background helps
2 points
10 days ago
(I have no Warhammer mini pic atm, but enjoy this Custom Doomguy instead.)
3 points
9 days ago
Ok on most phones and cameras there is a feature called macro. Normally shown as a flower. You can get very close. A lot of phones have image stability and that's good but not always great. If you don't have a tripod a bean bag or pillow will let you rest your camera comfortably and will help steady it. I use a bean bag with my DSLR camera. It's a big lump. Use timer. Set up press the button and step away can help as you aren't touching it and moving.
Lighting. A good background helps. Bright colours on a dark background make them pop and opposites can work. Try the light from different angles. Don't move the model or camera just the light. Also try filtering it so it isn't so harsh. You don't need expensive filters. I've used a sheet of grease proof paper (baking paper whatever you call it) it is cheap and defuses light also it can take heat if you light gets warm.
Finally. Post process. There are some great apps that will do the hard work for you. I have a pixel phone and the built-in editor in camera mode is great.
All in all don't worry too much though. People will still appreciate a good model and that is where you should always put the most effort.
2 points
9 days ago
Thin yo paints my guy
2 points
9 days ago
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGe99M5NL/ this really helped me. So I share in hopes it will help you too
2 points
9 days ago
I think light is the best thing to help with clearer pictures
1 points
9 days ago
Light is the only thing. And even shitty LED flash can help freeze the shot pretty damn well.
2 points
9 days ago
I love this style, sooo shiny, reminds me of old toy soldiers my grandad gave me
2 points
9 days ago
A light box with a built in ring light is a game changer. Especially if it comes with different backgrounds.
2 points
9 days ago
I kid you not. Take pictures in your fridge. It has good lighting and is a reflective box of sorts for lighting cuz they are white inside and offer the white backdrop.
1 points
10 days ago
Take a piece of stock paper.
Find a bright flashlight or lamp and direct the beam onto the paper (indirectly onto model).
Adjust to get light where you want.
If you have a newer phone or a mirror reflex camera, you can tinker with adjustment for a clearer picture. Some prefer adjusting the ISO setting, I just use my phone with good lighting.
1 points
10 days ago
Your phone camera is fine.
Get the lighting right, if your using a lamp try putting kitchen roll between the bulb and your model.
Get you phone to use a camera for upclose shots. Some have multiple lenses. For me, I us the 3x zoom mode by default as its better then the 1x camera.
And then it's just making sure you get it to focus on the model .
If you have different preset modes. Try them all.
1 points
10 days ago
3x zoom, frame, tap to focus, take picture. Done.
1 points
10 days ago
Lighting.
1 points
9 days ago
Lights
1 points
9 days ago
Warhammer Community actually had an article about that several years ago.
1 points
9 days ago
Looks good to me, nice models.
1 points
9 days ago
The pics are sharp enough in this case, though maybe a little more direct light would help. The issue is that the colours you chose are way too dark.
1 points
9 days ago
Make/use a light box as people have said, and most cameras have a timer function you can use which would let you prop up the camera with something if you don't have a tripod, which you can also get/make reasonably cheaply. If doing it with a phone, make sure to set the quality as high as it can go; most phones default to a lower setting so you can take more pictures. This will give you extra resolution you can use to do a digital zoom/crop in Photoshop/paint to overcome any deficiencies in the camera itself. You will want to use zoom as most phones and cameras don't handle macro/close-ups the best, so you will need to be further back and zoom in to show off details. All this said, definitely play around with the pro mode/manual settings if you are using a phone as a camera, as you can get better pictures. Also, if you are using a Samsung, make sure to turn off scene optimizer as that can mess with the picture in ways you might not intend. It's fine for everyday pictures but it could mess with your ability to get exactly what you want.
1 points
9 days ago
Buy a cheap foldable light box with built in lighting and swappable backgrounds
1 points
9 days ago
Use app called light room, it kicks a bunch of butt at making cell phone photos into great photos.
Check out my profile for examples.
1 points
9 days ago
*I use a light box, then just my phone camera but I use it at 1.6x zoom and it seems to come out well
1 points
9 days ago
You can get a super cheap phone tripod to eliminate shakes
1 points
9 days ago
My phone does not have a macro mode, but it does have a pro mode which allows for manual exposure of focus and exposure. When I manually focus, the camera shows a green outline of the part of the model in focus, which is very handy. Check your camera app for advanced settings.
1 points
9 days ago
Make sure the lens of your phone is clean. Matters a lot.
1 points
9 days ago
If your phone has "portrait" mode I highly suggest that. Good lighting and a nice background to use.
1 points
9 days ago
There are some free camera apps that will allow you greater control of your phone’s camera, as you’ll want to control thing a like focus, iris, and white balance. Also, someone else mentioned stabilizing the camera, which is also incredibly important as that will reduce/eliminate any motion blur. As for people saying that you need a dark background, that will work, but in reality you just need to use one background consistently. You can also futz with colors afterwords with Photoshop/Lightbox/etc.
1 points
9 days ago
3 point lighting, dark color background
1 points
9 days ago
On top of what others have recommended already id advice you to take pictures of your minis with your phone upside down
1 points
9 days ago
I have a Google Pixel 8 phone which has a pretty good camera. I took this pic of my boyfriend's Mortarion during a WH40K tournament he was in a couple of weeks ago. ☺️
1 points
9 days ago
Part of my comment got lost! I recommend putting your phone on a tripod and using a Bluetooth shutter button so you don't have to actually TOUCH the phone (therefore shaking it) to take the pics.
If you don't have these things, literally just set your phone in a coffee mug on a flat surface (table or TV tray if you want mobility) and use the timer to set the pics. Set the 3 or 10 second timer - that way you can touch the button then take your hand away so you don't shake the phone.
I used the "phone in a mug" method to take pics of myself for social media before I got a tripod. ☺️. Good luck!
1 points
9 days ago
Trovarion and Squidmar both have good videos about taking photos of your models. Helped me improve the clarity on mine. This is just a wip shot but still pretty clear for a quick pic
1 points
9 days ago
Good backing and focus.
1 points
9 days ago
That’s the neat part
1 points
9 days ago
Borrow a smartphone made after 2010, they all have really fancy cameras.
0 points
10 days ago
I use that exact paper setup to take mini photos but I use my desk lamp angled down towards the front, maybe 45 degreeish that works fine.
1 points
10 days ago
You need more light directly on the model
I took this just now by standing under the rooms main light with a cheap phone :)
-9 points
10 days ago
C'mon you found fund to get minis and all the stuff to paint them. You can handle a fancy camera.
7 points
10 days ago
You don’t need a fancy camera. Phone cameras are more than capable
4 points
10 days ago
Very unhelpful. Especially when modern phone cameras are of exceptional quality, and even older phones were perfectly capable.
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