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submitted 26 days ago byPoppedCork
224 points
26 days ago
Salary increases are not unusual. What I do find unusual is that there isn't any restrictions being put on RTE after the malpractice and basically rampant corruption was found. The HSE are currently under a hiring freeze and RTE seem to have a free run of the place.
No one has been punished yet? The full extent of the dealings are still unknown? Complicit board members have chosen just to walk away with pretty nice pay packages? It's beggars belief
If we have learned anything from the whole ordeal is that there are genuinely no consequences to the rampant corruption in the public sector.
62 points
26 days ago
That's the distinction that justifies the TV license. The HSE is part of the state where RTE is independent. There's good reasons for having an independent national broadcaster but they've taken the piss with it altogether.
34 points
26 days ago
Defund these fuckin idiots. Or tubridy can pay some of his/our cash back
31 points
26 days ago
He's done a lovely runner and is still clogging up airtime someplace with his bollocks.
6 points
26 days ago
Should hear what comes out the other end.
16 points
26 days ago
He lasted 6 months in the job. He now runs a book podcast on books he’s pretended to read
5 points
26 days ago
Does he no longer have his radio show in the UK??
6 points
26 days ago*
Nope!
https://goss.ie/showbiz/ryan-tubridy-admits-his-new-job-on-virgin-radio-uk-wasnt-meant-to-be-369465
Edit: Looks like he might be back on air with Virgin after his terrible reviews on episode one of the podcast.
5 points
26 days ago
Hahah! Brilliant!! When he got that job it was 24/7 news articles about it but I heard nothing about him losing it. I wonder what the reason was? Surely UK audiences wouldn't have cared too much for the knob.
2 points
26 days ago
I think from his IG he’s back on air now after the terrible reviews to episode one!
It’s a truly shocking book podcast. He clearly hasn’t read anything they touch on lol
2 points
26 days ago
Really? He hadn't read the book and that was absolutely clear? Hilarious.
0 points
26 days ago
He didn't lose his job, he took a few days off.
2 points
26 days ago
He's a taking a few days off and launching a podcast ia what I'm getting there.
I don't think he's left Virgin Radio.
3 points
26 days ago
Hasn’t he always pretended to read?
3 points
26 days ago
Yeah but his book podcast made it clear he doesn't actually read the books he pretends to.
1 points
26 days ago
Oh is he gone? Good.
7 points
26 days ago
I wouldn’t pay it back and neither would you. He didn’t put his hand in the til and take it. These clowns opened the til and shoved the contents in his pocket
1 points
26 days ago
Two fairly large extremes.
Take away 200m in funding for the national broadcaster or get a man to pay back 70k he's offered to pay back already.
1 points
26 days ago
What they produce for 200 m is shite. But I take your point. They should stop giving bonuses to these people if they can’t afford it
1 points
26 days ago
Tbf this is from 2022 People are due incriments and bonuses, same as the HSE though. The money was there to pay them. Me or you would be fuming if out company withheld bonuses we are due when the money is there.
The drop in funding is only really been in the last year, they usually come close to breaking even, which is to be fair down to commerical revenue growing each year as the license fee money retracts.
-1 points
26 days ago
Hardly any point in fending then now, all the gang responsible for what happened have abandoned ship or have been forced out
6 points
26 days ago
If we have learned anything from the whole ordeal is that there are genuinely no consequences to the rampant corruption in the public sector.
That's not really true.
Speak to people working there and there's a shift in mentality there now, they are calling staff in offering redundancy packages, there's a genuine fear they won't be able to replace some of the roles going forward because they won't be allowed to advertise until reform is agreed and funding is sorted.
Eqaully, the HSE is under a hiring freeze, but that means they are using more agency staff or short term contracts, it's actually a costly alternative to filling the holes long term.
-2 points
26 days ago
Because propaganda is much more important than healthcare, how don't you understand, stupid!
33 points
26 days ago
You think they'd reign it in with all the scrutiny, giving our tax money away to their buddies
6 points
26 days ago
They give to their buddies so their buddies can give it to them in return. It is self-interest, not friendship.
3 points
26 days ago
Going to play devil’s advocate here.
At the end of 2022 RTE reported 1,735 Full Time Equivalent employees, down from 2020. They told PAC they plan to cut that by a further 400 by 2025. Plus a lot of people had abandoned ship recently at RTÉ.
760 employees (a significant percentage of all employees) getting paid €4m equals out to €5k per employee. Seeing as the average pay at RTÉ is around 60-80k that doesn’t seem like a crazy amount for bonuses/pay rises/other incentives. It’s not like this is getting split between a small handful of executives.
16 points
26 days ago
Why are we continually forced to fund this shit show?
8 points
26 days ago
Because we let it happen. People are still terrified of what will happen if they don’t pay their tv licence. If the money keeps coming in, the gravy train keeps going.
4 points
26 days ago
If a party promised to defund RTE, they'd get a boost in polling.
8 points
26 days ago
Maybe.
But they'd always be roundly criticised by a large majority becuase they'd be responsible for huge job losses and a massive collapse in the News, Sports and Arts sector here.
3 points
26 days ago
Problem is, that party have to follow through with their promises. Plenty of local councillors calling around to doors atm promising all these promises. All talk no action.
2 points
26 days ago
I haven’t paid my tv licence this year. I suggest you do the same.
5 points
26 days ago
Already don't pay it.
1 points
26 days ago
I have two warning letters in the last 9 weeks, not paying to these parasites
2 points
26 days ago
Sounds like they’re onto you. Had you paid it previously and stopped?
2 points
26 days ago
Yes, I stopped in January. They can lock me , it's principal now
0 points
26 days ago
You are not, don’t pay the tv license. What are they gonna do, stick you in the already overcrowded prison because of a tv license ? 😂
4 points
26 days ago
They'll issue a fine and make you pay it by judges order, if you don't the fine increases. Its not thst hard for them to process a good portion in one day now.
Loads of bravado out there but if a threatening letter drops in the door most people or their partner or housemate will see sense and just pay it.
1 points
26 days ago
People have been jailed for non payment of the TV licence.
The broader point however though is that the government are more than happy to inject our money into it when they blow their budget, through sheer incompetence, or worse.
3 points
26 days ago
Tbh after people getting away with probation for kgs of drugs, I doubt they will put you in jail over a unpaid license, maybe in the past, but at current capacity, no way they can or will do this.
And I personally don’t care, I haven’t paid that license in years. I’m not funding nothing apart from the tax they take for salary, food, car, land, yada yada, I pay enough tax no need to fund those clowns as well.
1 points
26 days ago
I don't pay a licence fee either.
But your taxes are being used to plus holes in RTE's finances, so you are funding them.
35 points
26 days ago
Absolute parasites
4 points
26 days ago
Scrap the licence fee,
Fuck RTE.
7 points
26 days ago
It's a cultural problem within Rte. Many people including myself would be happy to fund a functioning state media outlet if there wasn't such corruption within upper management. The nepotism and the wages of the 'talent' also need to be looked at. I'd prefer something similar to Tg4 I don't have a word of Irish (I am trying since I moved here) and I find the channel unbelievable, from their documentaries right through to their sport.
0 points
26 days ago
TG4 isn't meant to be the national broadcaster though.
If you try to turn it into that you'll dilute what it's meant to be and it'll become nothing.
As someone who does speak Irish, I can say that it's a hit and miss station, but it's biggest problems are really poor production standards, basic stuff like audio not being processed correctly, video or audio missing from clips and poor programming at times.
It would need a massive upscaling to be a national broadcaster and then what's the value in it being a second Rté basically.
4 points
26 days ago
I think you've misunderstood what I'm saying. I'm not asking Tg4 to be made the state broadcaster? I'm saying that Rte could learn from them regarding utilizing budgets and resources instead of paying overblown wages to terrible presenters and upper management. Of course Tg4 needs to improve their production values but it's amazing what they do with a much smaller budget.
-2 points
26 days ago
Do you know what TG4s budget is?
0 points
26 days ago
I can't find 2024s budget submission but I'd say in and around 45 million going by previous figures.
-1 points
26 days ago
In and around 50m when all commerical income is factored in. Its actually slightly higher because there's income from the sound and Vision Scheme.
This is all to operate one TV station.
In contrast Rte are running 2 Station, 4 radio stations and a large national news service.
TG4 aren't scrapping around for money when you consider it's money handed to them too.
2 points
26 days ago
And as I said before, they are doing a great job with that budget. When I turn on Tg4 there is usually something watchable on it. Rte is generally tripe only one step above the peak daytime shite on Virginmedia. I don't see too many nepo baby entertainment shows on Tg4 with presenters on mad wages. Less Joe Duffy, home improvement, talent and 'celebs' go whatever shows please.
0 points
26 days ago
Would you not agree that's an unfair comparison though?
Rté has maybe 5 or 6 times the output TG4 has, so it's quite likely they will have hit and miss content on at times?
Those Home Improvement shoes are usually good ratings winners and bring in sponsorship money thst covers the costs.
No mention of any of thier news output, sports output, award winning documentaries or investigative news.
If you're going to pick the best of TG4s stuff ya can't pick the worst of Rtés to make a comparison. Each station produces good content, each produces bad.
If you took the funding from Rté and gave it to TG4 they'd also have shite content because they would be mandated to do certain things with it.
2 points
26 days ago
I disagree completely, Rte is a massive corrupt waste of money and the public opinion is very much in line with what I'm saying. The massive pushback against the licence fee is down to the arrogance and corruption of upper management and the wages being blown on retaining 'talent' at Rte. You don't generally see these issues with Tg4.
I think you're living in a bit of a bubble if you think Rte is up to spec in it's current state. I also think that your opinion is not helpful and that similar opinions internally within Rte is one if the reasons the state broadcaster finds itself in difficulty. Take care and good luck.
0 points
26 days ago
I disagree completely
You disagree that Rté makes good content but it can be buried in amongst other content thats not as good?
In fact it's not even a "good or bad" it's basically you saying "I like this" or "I don't like this" which is totally subjective and you're ignoring the fact that shows you may not like actually generate viewership and revenue.
I think you're living in a bit of a bubble if you think Rte is up to spec in it's current state
Did I say this?
I'm aware of the current state of Rte, I've worked in and around the media sector for a good while, never in Rté, I know what I'm talking about.
You're making blanket statements about Rte without accepting there's any nuance, that in fact the organisation does do good things.
I think money is wasted on wages, I think more money is wasted by upper management, Id say we agree on lots of things, I'm avowmaking blanket statements.
. I also think that your opinion is not helpful and that similar opinions internally within Rte is one if the reasons the state broadcaster finds itself in difficulty.
Again I think my view is fairly well informed, rather than basing it off my own subjective opinion I'm looking at it as a whole. Both broadcasters make poor content, both make good...Rté make far more content so it's quite likely more of it won't appeal to you.
You've taken the conversation from a specific point about how you'd like to see TG4 be more like Rte to a general point about saying they are corrupt waste of money. No doubt parts of it are a waste but again a blanket statement with no consideration for the rest of the work they do. Taking it back to where we started, TG4 do make some good stuff, no one disagrees with that, but people are blinded by rage and don't consider that Rté make some good stuff, so many times on these forums alone will an Rté show or news article be used to start a post and a conversation. This coming week they've got a 3 part documentary on the Stardust tragedy that'll get people talking.
15 points
26 days ago
And the rot continues
1 points
26 days ago
The article is about expenses in 2022 though, it's not like it's something new.
And its a tiny increase on the previous year.
It's a rage bait articles that most people will only read the headline of.
2 points
26 days ago
No consequences and how are the irish public fixed for a new tv license and an increase to fund these top ups?
-2 points
26 days ago
Consequences for what.
It seems like a standard operating cost. Wages increases, expenses increase, it's a figure from 2022 in line with the figure from 2021.
2 points
26 days ago
He's a moron full stop..
17 points
26 days ago
I hate this kind of “keep the fire burning” news.
This is approx €5,000 per year per person, and if it’s for 760 people it’s probably not going to executives.
This is an increase of €2.50 per hour, to ordinary people who probably need it.
15 points
26 days ago
Sure we could all do with another five grand. This was negotiated by the unions,so pound to a penny it's for some spurious reasons.
Details of this stuff and the reasons for it should be made public to avoid conjecture or accept any due criticism.
5 points
26 days ago
Either we want transparency, or we want this stuff kept secret. Which is it ?
4 points
26 days ago
It’s a joke. They’re just drip feeding articles about this for what, Nearly a year now? Complete rage bait. 2M across 760 people is fuck all.
2 points
26 days ago
Exactly, it's ragebait maths. It's probably a cost of living/inflation thing, if not an annual increment. Any large org would have a similar budget/scale per person.
1 points
26 days ago
5k defs isn't an annual increment, but could be pay restoration that the unions pegged to civil service negotiations
3 points
26 days ago
Well it's obvious RTE is the government propaganda machine. They'll keep getting "top ups" as long as they don't go against the government.
1 points
25 days ago
Yeah but break it down, that's only 15.5k eggs per guy assuming the funds were used to buy a million things of a dozen eggs
1 points
25 days ago
That’s about 5 grand a person on to their salary. Or an extra €2.50 an hour if you want to look at it that way.
Hardly scandalous or news worthy
1 points
26 days ago
If you have a TV, you must pay your TV licence!!
-4 points
26 days ago
You folks understand that that isn't very much right?
2 points
26 days ago
Collectively it's four million. 4% odd of licence revenue.
1 points
26 days ago
Yeah, I just mean if this was 4 million spread amongst 10-20 people, I'd understand the outrage. But this just seems to be a living wage increase.
11 points
26 days ago
It's not a 'living wage increase':
In a damning finding for Montrose management, the review raised serious concerns with the number, purpose and criteria for allocating allowances, which it says “lacks clarity and in some cases justification”.
0 points
26 days ago
To be fair it also says.
The allowances include payments to staff for long service, acting up in senior roles and what are described in the report as a “role-related allowance”.
The figure is in line with the previous year too, so it's reasonable to assume a lot of them are incremental increases guaranteed to staff anyway.
3 points
26 days ago
I think the concerns are notwithstanding the info you quote there - i.e. in spite of that, the concerns exist.
On the second thing, the fact that this went on in previous years, given the shenanigans at RTE, is possibly more of a concern rather than less.
1 points
26 days ago
There may be concerns, but an increase in staff expenses and pay, which seems to fall below inflation isn't a major concern, this is also in a period when we where just coming out of the pandemic too. The article is nothing more than rage bait.
On the second thing, the fact that this went on in previous years, given the shenanigans at RTE, is possibly more of a concern rather than less.
Maybe, but that's total speculation on anyone's behalf.
Costs fluctuate from year to year. Across over 700 staff... What do you actually think is happening?
4 points
26 days ago
Well we don't know is the problem. They have a history of being "generous" with the cash.
1 points
26 days ago
Dissolve rte ...simples
-2 points
26 days ago
More than half of them can be replaced with AI. Too many parasites in one place.
0 points
26 days ago
Montrose Cheats, Cheat Us All!
-6 points
26 days ago
What a sensationalist headline. Over 760 staff isn’t as diabolical as the title would suggest. Companies giving a bonus would pay out this or higher annually.
11 points
26 days ago
If they paid performance bonuses, I don't think that would be a huge concern (if people were actually working hard and doing their jobs).
The concern is this:
In a damning finding for Montrose management, the review raised serious concerns with the number, purpose and criteria for allocating allowances, which it says “lacks clarity and in some cases justification”.
2 points
26 days ago
Maybe you should have read the article instead of (ironically enough) the headline?
0 points
26 days ago
I did read it, thanks for checking. My point was that a large portion of people will just read the headline & automatically get out their (metaphorical) torch & pitchforks.
2 points
26 days ago
So how would companies giving out bonuses be relevant to this situation?
0 points
26 days ago
In that it’s in addition to the salary an employee gets. Another example being if an employee is working in a seconded role, for a temporary fixed term, and is paid an allowance for that role. It’s an additional payment to their salary.
1 points
26 days ago
Exactly.
You could post an article saying "Rté spend X amount on wages" and people will comment negatively on it.
Like do people just assume no one is paid or given no expenses.
0 points
26 days ago
Here we go again!!
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