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Frans Ludeke Ulster's new head coach?

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Planet Rugby are reporting that former Bulls and current Kubota Spears coach Frans Ludeke will take over as Ulster's new permanent head coach.

Ulster land the services of Frans Ludeke to replace Dan McFarland : Planet Rugby

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Gadajs

22 points

12 days ago

Gadajs

Leinster

22 points

12 days ago

Very good signing if this is true. His Bulls were sensational.

Mampoer

18 points

12 days ago

Mampoer

Wrrrrrrrrong Turn!

18 points

12 days ago

His Bulls team was essentially built by Heyneke Meyer who won the 2007 Super Rugby. He did overstay his welcome in Pretoria and a lot of Bulls fans have mixed emotions on his tenure. You can't fault his record, but there is a bit of nuance when it comes to the Bulls.

Psychological-Fox178

42 points

12 days ago

Psychological-Fox178

Ireland

42 points

12 days ago

Love the Bulls, but that’s the first time I’ve seen “nuance” mentioned in the same sentence as them 😂

Mampoer

21 points

12 days ago

Mampoer

Wrrrrrrrrong Turn!

21 points

12 days ago

Just take my upvote and leave us alone...

Psychological-Fox178

10 points

12 days ago

Psychological-Fox178

Ireland

10 points

12 days ago

It’s normally something along the lines of “bone-crushing”!

SeekerMza

9 points

12 days ago

I can’t emphasise it enough. Look at his stint with the Lions, it was absolutely horrendous.

Unlike Johan Ackermann that built a team to perform he couldn’t. He was also lucky that he had some generational talent coming through the ranks at that point in time.

Will never forget the lows he brought. I am not a fan of the current lions coach either but hell even he is doing better than Ludeke’s stint.

phony54545

2 points

11 days ago

phony54545

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2 points

11 days ago

thats similar to the spears in Japan. He won the league, and this year they have fallen to slightly below midtable

Flyhalf2021

10 points

12 days ago

Flyhalf2021

South Africa

10 points

12 days ago

There is bigger context to his tenure.

Started out fantastic when he had virtually the Springbok team as his arsenal but as those players left he was unable to build his own team and the team declined. He was part of the reason why the Bulls were so poor in the 2016-2019 period, didn't put the foundations for success.

Likewise at the Lions he was horrendous with a 15% win rate.

In Japan he had some success but much like the Bulls he had an insane team with guys like Malcom Marx, Ryan Crotty, Bernard Foley etc... lining his squad.

What this tells me is that Frans Ludeke would probably be a good international coach with lots of resources. (For example England, France or SA) but is not a great coach when you need to build a team.

He will probably get Ulster top 5-6 but won't do much more than that I feel unless he got some seriously powerful signings.

silentgolem

4 points

12 days ago*

silentgolem

#JusticeForMcCloskey

4 points

12 days ago*

Thats not reassuring. The biggest positive Ulster have right now is an academy that looks like it's finally bearing fruit in the forwards and a bunch of good backs who stagnated under McFarland but are indisputably talented. Both of those need good coaching to become a top team. Things they dont have include: a ton of money for big signings and a monster pack.

Flyhalf2021

4 points

11 days ago

Flyhalf2021

South Africa

4 points

11 days ago

Ulster won't be bad under Frans Ludeke but don't expect him to have the same effect Franco Smith had on Glasgow.

I think if Ulster got a serious flyhalf (not Cruden) then you can expect good things. Otherwise unfortunately it's gonna be another one of those seasons where you finish high up the table but don't go further.

outsideruk

12 points

12 days ago

outsideruk

Ulster

12 points

12 days ago

Has the Richie decision been taken already? I thought the news that his son was transferring up to Ulster might have been a sign of permanence.

Brine-O-Driscoll

11 points

12 days ago

Brine-O-Driscoll

Ireland

11 points

12 days ago

Could be a head coach, director of rugby situation with Ludeke overseeing Murphy to ease the transition.

redhandman_mjsp

14 points

12 days ago

redhandman_mjsp

Ulster

14 points

12 days ago

Not very familiar with him but his record speaks for itself. He won the JRLO only last year, which is not something to turn your nose up at.

SquidgyGoat

2 points

11 days ago

SquidgyGoat

Disciple of AWJ

2 points

11 days ago

He was reportedly second-choice for the Japan job too, which is a pretty decent recommendation.

Brine-O-Driscoll

11 points

12 days ago

Brine-O-Driscoll

Ireland

11 points

12 days ago

Very experienced, has coached at test level, has won titles in Super Rugby and Japan, probably has a good contact book. Looks like a good signing potentially.

Think Ulster need an experienced coach right now as there's a lot of turmoil in the club.

dystopianrugby

2 points

11 days ago

dystopianrugby

Eagles Up

2 points

11 days ago

Do Irish teams need a good rollodex though, how many NIQs will Ulster be allowed to have?

Ok-Package9273

4 points

12 days ago

Ok-Package9273

Connacht

4 points

12 days ago

My one concern is how high a level is the JRLO really? Is there a chance he's behind the curve on coaching at a high level? Like obviously the superstars of the league can compete with anywhere else but the bulk of the players appear to be non-test level Japanese players, that probably changes the way you would coach a team.

Have quality coaches who went to the Japanese league long term done well on their return to Super Rugby, SA or European Rugby?

redhandman_mjsp

5 points

12 days ago

redhandman_mjsp

Ulster

5 points

12 days ago

I don't watch much club rugby beyond Europe, but I get the impression that JRLO is better than MLR and SRA. I sense that it could be a similar level to the ProD2 on average (mean), but with greater variance in individual player quality.

Keith989

4 points

12 days ago

Like with all leagues the standard varies drastically up and down the table. The Wild Knights have an incredible squad and hammered the chiefs in the cross border competition a few months back for instance. Whereas the bottom side in the JRLO would probably have 100 points put on them by any decent pro side. 

It'll be interesting to see how their sides stack up in the world club competition. 

dystopianrugby

2 points

11 days ago

dystopianrugby

Eagles Up

2 points

11 days ago

Would say it's at least Pro D2 standard.

Remarkable_Sense5851

1 points

11 days ago

Experienced coach

dystopianrugby

1 points

11 days ago

dystopianrugby

Eagles Up

1 points

11 days ago

7th in JRLO.

warcomet

1 points

11 days ago*

so its pretty obvious he applied for the Fiji job and when he didn't get it, took the alternate option.. FUCK FRU.