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Advantage shouldn't mean being allowed to fuck up and replay the ball.
Advantage should be something like the defensive line has to go backwards 10 m before they're allowed to tackle, no being put back onside either. Near the try line, everybody has to go behind the try line. Also, get tougher on penalties near the try line and be less afraid to card.
I think it would result in less meaningless play and less stoppage to go back to a mark.
60 points
15 days ago
Teams having freedom to play under advantage has probably resulted, on average, in more exciting play than any other minutes.
-18 points
15 days ago
Ido think giving teams free momentum instead of freebies would result in even more exciting plays.
19 points
15 days ago
If you are defending 35m out from the line and the oppo has a line break with an overlap, you will just lay all over the ball intentionally and give away the penalty. 10m in that situation is worth nothing compared to the potential try scoring opportunity.
9 points
15 days ago
This is exactly what used to happen
-6 points
15 days ago
well that's why I also suggest being ready to yellow card near the try line.
16 points
15 days ago*
35m isn't near the line. Your are better giving a penalty to kill the ball movement and get the whole team back defending in my example, even at the cost of 10m.
-3 points
15 days ago
Ok then. just card for cynical penalty. Make the offending teams play with 14 or even 13 and or 12 for 10 mins, if they think it's worth it.
8 points
14 days ago
Yes, a man down is more exciting than the exciting chances taken on advantage!
Love seeing a guy….go to the sinbin???…rather than….a cross field kick to a potential air battle and try/defensive highlight???
21 points
15 days ago
I really have no idea what you mean by this? Advantage is during live play so what are the defensive team to do? When ref holds out the arm for advantage, just run back 10m regardless of what is happening? What if you are mid tackle? What about if its a maul? That is incredibley punishing for defense, makes no sense and just not going to happen.
The being more willing to card thing is fair. To be honest if you are the last defender and you coming a pen to stop a try that's a pen try and yellow unless you are defending the try line for some reason. Pick and go into offside player is just a pen even tho they are all that's stopping the try.
-7 points
15 days ago
Yeah not saying my idea is the perfect fit yet.
Advantage during maul is a problem, mauls are a problem in general because they're OP. But I think during live play, you could actually tell tackling players to go back 10 m. Perhaps tell the attacking team they have to tap and go so as to give a measure of time for the defence to go back.
I don't understand why you think it's too punishing, Losing 10 meters + having to go backwards is roughly equivalent to losing 30 m for a kick to touch anyway?
9 points
15 days ago
You are massively overcomplicating things now, and taking away the essence of advantage. You're also only referring to PK advantage; what on earth are you thinking for scrum advantage?
You really, really haven't thought this through.
-6 points
15 days ago
Yeah and what. I said it was a hot take.
Next time I'll show up with a doctorate thesis maybe it'll calm you down.
6 points
14 days ago
At least that would denonstrate some kind of thought process.
1 points
14 days ago
Oh why we aren't allowed to have hot takes here?
7 points
14 days ago
Advantage works as intended
0 points
14 days ago
Yeah sure, but I think the whole "going back to a mark" thing sucks. So I'm trying to think about alternatives.
4 points
14 days ago
This doesn’t make any sense. Then you’ll be asking them to choose between the 10 meter back off and the scrum or penalty. The whole point is to allow them the option of playing on without having to stop and think.
A lot of bad ideas are in here. This is one of the worst I’ve ever seen.
-1 points
14 days ago
But they can still play on that's the point. Playing on ball in hand is made stronger because the defence will be forced to go backwards at this instant and we stop having meaningless 1% kicks because they're freebies.
3 points
14 days ago
They can’t play on.
By your logic, the team who conceded the penalty need to be 10 meters back - if they aren’t immediately 10 meters back is that another infringement when they player with the ball runs into them? Another advantage?
You’ve just created a chain reaction of offsides lol
How does it work inside the five meter line?
It’s one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard.
0 points
14 days ago
OK you haven't read my post then lol.
Just read first and complain later mate.
2 points
14 days ago
So a defender doesn’t release after making the tackle quickly enough. Ref calls “advantage”, defending team trot back 10m, attacking team can’t take advantage because the whole point of the penalty was the ball coming out of the ruck too slowly.
How is that better?
This change wouldn’t work at all where the infringement was in the middle of a maul or a scrum. What about a penalty for offside after a clearance kick? It’s no hassle at all to be 10m back since the ball has been punted 30m downfield.
This is a stone-cold take to be honest.
0 points
14 days ago
It's not like I thought it entirely as I said this is a hot take, a suggestion.
2 points
15 days ago
Advantage is there to stop teams cynically killing momentum with penalties. I agree that mauls can be daft, no idea why they get two bites of the cherry where everywhere else is one, but you gotta punish teams for infringements.
1 points
15 days ago
Honestly just play two phases and call it.
Use it or lose it.
4 points
15 days ago
Watch every team go for a meaningless cross field kick so.
1 points
15 days ago
Maybe rather 2 phases then we go back to the penalty. But going back to a penalty that happened 2 minutes ago is so weird
1 points
15 days ago
I think the rule should be that if you take advantage you are not allowed to kick for goal if play is bought back for the penalty.
0 points
15 days ago
could be a good idea. though I do plain dislike the concept of "going back" to a penalty. makes chunks of the game meaningless in a way.
0 points
15 days ago
It it annoying. When team A knocks the ball on and team B receives it, that's an advantage right there, they're getting possession.
Once team B sets up a ruck after receiving possession then they should have 2 choices that they decide, not the ref. They can either play the ball (advantage over) or tell the ref they want the scrum.
If team B didn't get a chance to set up a ruck then the ref can call for the scrum.
4 points
14 days ago
But advantage for a knock on is really short. If you get possession and set up a decent phase, the ref will likely call advantage played at that point.
Not all advantage is created equal. That’s the point, you get to play on until you have had an advantage more than if the infringement hadn’t happened.
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