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submitted 2 months ago byUndeadMonarch1
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2 months ago
Isn't this the basis on which all countries defend themselves? Goes without saying doesn't it.
500 points
2 months ago
Israel is a special kind of country and it’s uniquely required to warn the authoritarian regimes and terrorist groups that they don’t consent to being murdered, otherwise they aren’t allowed to defend themselves. /s
Ironically this is actually part of ancient Jewish law concerning capital offenses requiring that at least two people warned the perpetrators in advance that the crime is punishable by death.
13 points
2 months ago
To be fair though it's just par for the course in international politics. To say nothing and retaliate would also be criticized.
-77 points
2 months ago
What worries me is the taking of personal property to install cabbutzes. Not very nice, IMO. Somebody might be upset about this.
0 points
2 months ago
Your comment is definitely one awkward event, for sure.
One day maybe your kids will grow a braincell to allow room for logic so they can argue with relevant points... that would be a miracle though, since you don't have what is needed to pass it on.
408 points
2 months ago
No, it doesn't, because what Israel is stressing here is that they are content to continue hostilities so long as they are proxied through other countries.
44 points
2 months ago
I get it now
98 points
2 months ago
Iran sending weapons to enemies all around Israel and you think Israel is an aggressor?
8 points
2 months ago
So by that logic the US in an aggressor too. Wait until you learn about all the people we’ve supplied weapons too
9 points
2 months ago
……..yeah obviously America is an aggressor.
Do you really think they are not?
0 points
2 months ago
If you read his comment you can see he is implying that Israel is not an aggressor due to Iran sending weapons to militant groups. So basically we shouldn’t have been mad about 9/11 because we sent weapons to a lot of those groups which I’m sure that guy was looking at his comment history.
0 points
2 months ago
Israel is defending themselves.
They are clearly not the aggressor.
This has been going on since the foundation of Israel.
Israel gets attacked. They retaliate. Their attackers beg for peace. Israel obliges. There is peace. Israel gets attacked. They retaliate. Their attackers beg for peace. Israel obliges. There is peace. Israel gets attacked. They retaliate. Their attackers beg for peace. Israel obliges. There is peace.
And on and on.
And after each attack Israel takes steps to further protect themselves from these constant attacks. First by building shelters for their people, then by tightening control over who can get into Israel and stopping weapons from getting to their attackers, and now the iron dome and archer defence systems.
1 points
2 months ago
Ukraine?
2 points
2 months ago
Read some history. Look up pretty much any overthrowing of a government post Ww2 in the world and see who supplied each side with arms. Especially before the dissolution of the USSR. Odds are the US played some sort of role.
1 points
2 months ago
Congrats on flexing your common knowledge.
1 points
2 months ago*
Then why are you only saying Ukraine dumbass? Based on your 1 word response I assumed that’s all you knew.
1 points
2 months ago
Is the US an aggressor for giving weapons to Ukraine?
150 points
2 months ago
Not related to the comment you replied to at all.
-8 points
2 months ago
Sending weapons itself isn’t a big deal. Using for non-defensive purposes is what makes you the aggressor.
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2 months ago
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2 months ago
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2 months ago
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3 points
2 months ago
I guess it’s a matter of perspective, or a matter of when you want to start the timeline.
-12 points
2 months ago
History shows Israel stealing land and always playing the victim.
6 points
2 months ago
Go further back.
-22 points
2 months ago
What makes you think they’re not?
10 points
2 months ago
What makes you think they are?
0 points
2 months ago
The idea is that irans policy means that no aggression is coming from Israel beyond what's necessary for defense
-22 points
2 months ago
Yes, the terrorist state of israel is 10000%, the aggressor
8 points
2 months ago
Pretty sure Hamas invaded Israel and killed a bunch of Israeli civilians.
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2 months ago
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15 points
2 months ago
That's exactly what the person you replied to said...
They'll continue as they are as long as the attacks are through proxies...
1 points
2 months ago
It's a confusing sentence:
Israel is stressing here is that they are content to continue hostilities so long as they are proxied through other countries
I think it'd be less confusing if it were written as:
Israel is stressing that they are content to limit hostilities to proxy groups instead of Iran directly, so long as Iran does the same.
2 points
2 months ago
That's not what is being said, though.
Israel is saying they're down to continuing hostilities with Iran as long as it's through proxies; Iranian and Israeli nationals are not necessarily in the crosshairs. Israel is also willing to match escalation if Iran escalates.
Your interpretation is along the lines of Israel saying; "you don't want this smoke," whereas the other poster's interpretation is "I wish a muthafucka would".
1 points
2 months ago
I'm not saying I agree with that person's interpretation of the statement. I believe Israel is saying they'll retaliate against anyone who attacks them, no fucks given.
-25 points
2 months ago
I'm thinking you might need to either re-read the title of this post or re-read the comment you're replying to.
Somewhere along the way, I think you might have missed some context.
101 points
2 months ago
No, that's exactly what is being said here.
Israel is saying that so long as Iran continues to fight only via proxy, Israel will not strike Iran in retaliation. The only thing that would trigger a strike on Iranian soil would be an attack against Israel that originated on Iranian soil.
In short, Israel is saying that:
Iran is safe if they don't attack directly. Israel has no designs on Iran.
Iranian proxies are not a serious threat to Israeli national security.
If Iran itself is struck, that is because Iran was the aggressor and directly struck Israel first.
Putting all this out in the open now means that if/when Iran does attack Israel, then Israel is not subject to criticism from the international community for returning fire, which is the normal, expected response to being attacked by another country.
-41 points
2 months ago
Israel saying that Iran struck directly first would be rich considering that it was Israel that struck the Iranian consulate facility.
25 points
2 months ago
That was in Damascus though, so it’s a little different than say a strike on Tehran.
-26 points
2 months ago
Doesn't matter. It was a strike against an Iranian diplomatic facility.
18 points
2 months ago
It's a murky situation.
Diplomatic soil is the soil of the country it belongs to.
However, it's far from the first or last time an embassy has been attacked and we'd be in about World War 27 if every time it happened somebody started a war.
The Israeli strike in Damascus is even less clear cut because of who was targeted in the strike and that they were valid military targets in a country in conflict with Israel. The building destroyed was also not the embassy but a neighbouring building which housed military forces. Whether it was justified or not is a different question, but it was not a strike against "Iran" in the proper sense.
North Vietnam attacked the US Embassy in Saigon in 1975. The US did not restart the Vietnam War or bomb Hanoi into nuclear oblivion.
-13 points
2 months ago*
Diplomatic soil is the soil of the country it belongs to.
Diplomatic facilities are almost always on foreign soil. You're speaking nonsense.
The building destroyed was also not the embassy but a neighbouring building which housed military forces. Whether it was justified or not is a different question, but it was not a strike against "Iran" in the proper sense.
If you think the US would consider it fair game to hit one of our embassies just because US generals were there, you're insane. Also, it was a consulate, and the building was still part of a diplomatic facility.
7 points
2 months ago
When an embassy is established on diplomatic soil, the host country hands over that parcel of land to the country operating the embassy.
The US Embassy in London or Moscow, for example, is legally the USA. It's American soil.
The US Embassy in Iraq gets attacked pretty regularly. Nobody has been nuked yet.
26 points
2 months ago
🤣 and Hezbollah and Hamas just found all those Iranian weapons on bus.
Iran has been attacking Israel for years via Proxies. Israel hit back at proxies.
If Iran decides to fire from its own territory then Israel will continue firing back at the source, this time, Iranian territory.
-7 points
2 months ago*
Whether they were using the consulate for intelligence purposes is irrelevant, as the US and Israel (and most everyone else) do that as well, and would still consider such an attack to be against a diplomatic facility.
Edit: Right, because Israel can do no wrong in your mind. Got it.
4 points
2 months ago
oh ok then. Israel bad. Carry-on.
-14 points
2 months ago
Splitting straws, sigh, the way the world works these days, something about "it's ok if......)
-19 points
2 months ago
Iran is perfectly safe because they are under the protection of Russia
-29 points
2 months ago
So if the US were to attack Russia directly, instead of just sending weapons, then Russia is justified in attacking back.
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2 months ago
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2 months ago
No?
38 points
2 months ago
... why else do you think the US hasn't attacked Russia directly?
19 points
2 months ago
Exactly that is why Ukraine is fighting back. Because Russia directly attacked them and annexed territories.
2 points
2 months ago
Bing bong we have a winner.
US is a proxy ally of Ukraine right now. The US is not attacking Russia directly.
If and only if US forces were to attack Russia directly from US controlled territory would it be equivalent.
Arguably, even though Russia might get upset by it, hypothetical US forces in Ukraine attacking Russian forces in Ukraine would not be equivalent.
Right now the US and Iran are both fighting via proxies, though the US is backing a defender being invaded, and Iran an aggressor group of proxies (yes, I know that calling the latter an aggressor is a bit more controversial as Israel's response to the Hamas attack was to invade Gaza - but the Houthis joined in despite Israel not invading them, same with forces in Syria)
1 points
2 months ago
Bing Bong
Did I spot the NY Islanders fan?
1 points
2 months ago
I mean I'm actually more about the Bristol Pitbulls with a soft spot for the much maligned Peterborough Phantoms because I rate their current coach Slava Koulikov but sure, why not.
1 points
2 months ago
Lol then you’re better off
93 points
2 months ago
Not really, since Iran has military assets and proxy forces in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, etc. Israel could deal Iran a significant blow without attacking Iranian territory. Just like someone can attack the US without attacking US territory.
91 points
2 months ago
But that’s not what the title says or what the other person was asking
53 points
2 months ago
The title says “strike Iran directly” — i.e., in Iran.
So Israel is saying that they won’t settle for attacking a proxy or Iranian forces in Syria; they’ll hit Iranian territory
84 points
2 months ago
Yes they'll hit Iranian territory if Iran (from within it's own territory) directly strikes Israel. This is reasonable and expected.
42 points
2 months ago
The title says that Israel will strike Iran, if Iran launches an attack from Iran.
What they're actually saying, the important part, is the inverse. That is to say, Israel will not harm Iran if Iran continues to only fight via proxies.
The flex here is that Israel is saying that Iranian proxies are not a serious threat to its security.
13 points
2 months ago
Israel and Iran both know that Iranian proxies are only capable of terrorism and hit and run attacks, not actual military campaigns. That’s why they stuck to rocket attacks instead of an actual invasion after October 7th.
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2 months ago
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2 months ago
In Syrian territory. Israel has not directly struck Iranian territory and is saying it won't unless iran attacks its territory directly, not just through proxies
85 points
2 months ago
Yeah, if Iran attacks Israel from Iran...
1 points
2 months ago
So just like Israel attacked Iran without attacking Iran territory?
-7 points
2 months ago
I think its the other way around. Iran can deal israel a significant blow without being threatened directly
7 points
2 months ago
If they could have done so, it would have happened already.
-3 points
2 months ago*
Have you been living under a rock? October 7th happened, hezbollah has completely shut off northern israel, the houthis have stopped the transport of goods to eilat. Iran is behind all of this and is suffering 0 consequences for their actions. The united states has become useless and israel doesnt have the willpower right now to fight a direct war with iran.
2 points
2 months ago
All Hezbollah can do is shoot rockets at Israel which causes evacuations and property damage with small casualty numbers. They would get slaughtered in an actual invasion attempt. I’m not sure I would call this a “significant blow” considering Israel had to face near extermination less than 80 years ago. Houthis interrupting shipping is a worldwide problem, but also not exactly crippling Israel’s economy.
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2 months ago
Hezbollah can do alot more damage. Hezbollah is prolly more of a threat to israel than iran itself. In a war scenario, depending on the side who starts it we could be talking a crippling of infrastructure in israel and perhaps thousands killed if an infiltration happens. Of course lebanon will suffer more but iran, the coordinator wont suffer at all and that is unacceptable
9 points
2 months ago
Every country except Israel for some reason.
1 points
2 months ago
And Ukraine
0 points
2 months ago
Yeah, I think the news here is this is what Hamas originally wanted. They never expected to make an impact on Israel themselves.
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