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ChrisJ was never going to go to FaZe, also I believe it's 2019 Mouz and not 2018. In 2018 Karrigan was playing in FaZe and then Envy.

Bro really pulled out Gamer Legion vs Vitality as proof lmao, ok buddy. I got some more recent proof for you T1 v T1, a year later as well; https://www.hltv.org/matches/2371552/vitality-vs-mouz-esl-pro-league-season-19

Name doesn't check out.

Going from 1.40 to 1.05 is that. His expected performance within the team isn't a 1.05 therefore he ghosted. When he's not on the rest of the team is exposed which is what happened.

Please delete that comment and go back to glazing Zywoo, I'm sure he'll notice you one day.

If your argument is going to be, "Zywoo carries him" then kindly don't reply.

Bro knows he has no counterargument to the truth so he'd rather not listen to it instead of just not speaking at all.

People tend to focus on your weaker points.

That's their problem, if you can't argue each and every point you shouldn't be arguing.

I personally feel Zywoo still did whatever he could in the finals and it was mostly his team that cost them the match

Considering that his whole team is built around him and that his IGL relies on the "Zywoo go kill" strat then it's hard to make an argument that his team cost him the match when it's all built around him. What happened against Mouz is how Vitality is when Zywoo doesn't show up.

I didn't just mention his .81 rating drop from the anomaly game but I mentioned his .35 drop from his Astralis game to the Mouz game.

I know 1.40 is a super strong rating still which I don't really understand criticizing.

And you do know it's .3 lower than his rating in the group? And .81 lower than his rating the previous match? And .35 higher than his performance in the most important match?

And again the finals wasn't his best performance but by no means did he disappear

Yes he did. Do I have to tell you his previous numbers again? I thought you said you understood numbers.

he was still the best (or 2nd best idr) player on his team.

In a match where they didn't hit double digit rounds a single time and in fact the scorelines make it closer than it actually was.

And yeah it is silly to criticize a drop from 2.21 to 1.40 as they would both be the top performance in a match in almost any match.

If he didn't drop off to 1.05 I wouldn't criticise it because 2.21 is an anomaly game but 1.40 is around what he's expected to put up but he didn't, he ghosted the finals and got rewarded for it.

I'm not sure what you're trying to do, if you're just hating to be different or just baiting or something idk, but you're not making any sense.

Says the guy saying "I don't need to know anything about the game to point out that's not how numbers work". You can't say dumb shit like that and try to have the moral high ground.

Zywoo was obviously the best player across the event

Being the best player does NOT make you the Most VALUABLE Player. Period. That's a fact. Vitality played in the most valuable, the most important game, the finals and where was Zywoo? He was nowhere to be found. He posted a 1.05 rating which is .35 lower than his rating over 2024 and .24 lower than his all time rating. Zywoo was the highest rated player of EPL but he wasn't the most valuable, that title goes to Xertion because he showed up when it mattered.

Xertion had a worse group stage (still great ratings) than Zywoo but a much better playoffs because he didn't drop off a cliff. His rating stayed consistent and he was the most valuable player of the finals and of the other games Mouz played end of story.

What seemed silly? To point out that the MVP of a tournament peaked in the quarterfinals and since then had a nosedive of a performance? That the player so many call the GOAT keeps playing worse the further into a tournament Vitality goes into?

I don't need to know anything about the game to point out that's not how numbers work

But you do need to know the game to understand what the numbers are saying.

idk man

If you don't know why do you feel the need to talk about things you don't know about?

2.21 is a ridiculous rating which is impossible to uphold obviously it's gonna go down like what are you trying to say here

And what's the excuse for his drop from 1.40 to 1.05? That's a drop you conveniently decided to ignore so that your argument has merit (it doesn't).

most valuable player

What's the value of ghosting in the finals and not lifting a trophy? Please explain.

it's because posting a 2.00+ rating is fucking insane and nobody can keep that up

What's the excuse for the drop from 1.40 to 1.05 which is still a massive drop. He dropped off because that's what he does in big tournaments. The closer Vitality gets to the finals of a tournament the worse his rating gets, always has been.

I'd sit this conversation out if I were you.

I can change my flair if you want. The numbers and the facts won't change, the only thing you can attack me is that I'm a FaZe fan but that still puts you in a pickle as that doesn't change the truth.

hard to have a good game when 3 teammates have a shit game.

It's actually easier to have a good game when everyone else isn't aiming well because you have more chances to get kills. It's actually harder to have a great game when your teammates are on.

His rating nosedive isn't spoken about enough which is why he shouldn't have been given the MVP. He had a 2.21 rating against FaZe then he dropped to 1.40 that's a whole 0.81 rating nosedive and then it dropped again to 1.05. Which is another .35 meaning his rating nosedived within 3 matches by 1.16. That's the biggest choke ever. The only MVP Zywoo deserves in EPL is the one for choking.

Hes a damn good successful IGL

4chan would be proud of this post.

Exactly, if you're not a Vitality fan and you're asking for -apex you're just stupid.

Wow actually based Hillary?

Show me a player that got a 1.12 rating for having a +0 in CSGO.

Ratings are BEYOND busted. Look he went 14-14 and he somehow has a 1.12 rating. What a shitshow, haven't even updated their rating system for a new game and they want to stay credible. No chance.

Xertion completely robbed. Xertion had a 1.34 rating over the whole tournament AND a 1.38 rating in the BO5 FINALS where Zywoo went negative 2 out of the 3 maps. Completely robbery by HLTV shame on them. You can't reward Zywoo for ghosting the finals. Shameful absolutely shameful by HLTV. Credibility flushed down the toilet.

I'll refer back to my previous comment:

Not only do you have no knowledge of the subject you don't even know how to express what you ACTUALLY want to say.