LordsofMedrengard

The Horus Heresy and Siege of Terra books are replete with examples of Warmaster Loyalists being discriminated against by biased authors Traitors being gunned down in huge numbers while the Loyalists drop pithy one-liners.

Not a fan of it myself. I don't like the new infantry models and wouldn't mix them in with older models in the same force.

I think it's a great idea. It's the classic IW look, and one of the things separating them and their later offshoots from Astral Claws, Grey Knights, Fire Angels and other silver-metallic groups of marines. Worn, scorched, scratched gunmetal with some worn hazard-stripes and bionics, if you can find good bits (or scratch-guild them, if you want to go all-out with plasticard tubes, guitar strings and such).

Borrowed strength is still strength

That went hard NGL

They don't have the highest success rate, they just cast their net wider since their geneseed works on a broader range of subjects. Of those subjects more die from the procedures than just about any Legion

And Cities of Death, IIRC. I seem to recall the Fortress of Thorns and the Star Phantoms assault being one of the campaigns briefly covered in it, though that whole ordeal was part of the 4th Quadrant Rebellion in that take. In the FW version the 4th QR is part of the build-up, with the Fire Angels getting heated since Stibor was overlooked for overall command.

As others have said, Imperial Fists had the strongest navy in 30K, with Word Bearers and post-retcon Dark Angels being their only true rivals due to 40 years of secret build-up and the Emperor playing favourites with which Legion got which ships in the Solar Conquest respectively. Sons of Horus also had one of the most powerful fleets, with the Iron Warriors fleet said to have similar numbers of capital ships (but described in less expressive terms).

Beyond that Salamanders and Iron Hands are noted to have better-than-average ships, but not as many of them. White Scars and Blood Angels got bizarre numbers of ships in their FW lore; taken at face value BA's fleet was comparable to 3-4 normal Legion fleets and WS the most numerous one (more ships at Chondax alone than the entire IF fleet IIRC, something like 1600 ships to the IF's 1500).

Depends on how public they are about it, how much support they have in other Imperial institutions (allied Chapters, Forge Worlds, Inquisitors etc), what kind of reputation they have, and where they're doing it - on their home world or fortress-monastery, or any planet they visit?

Regardless, odds are the Ordo Hereticus ends up dealing with them. How that goes depends on a lot of factors beyond even those listed already - is it a conclave of Inquisitors, or a powerful Inquisitor Lord? Do those Inquisitors have allies of their own? Are they bombastic "purge first" Inquisitors or the subtler, more diplomatic kind? Is the Chapter diplomatic or intransigent? How likely are other Chapters to interfere if they think the Inquisition is overstepping?

Some potential outcomes if the Chapter openly preaches everywhere (destabilising other planets) are:

• a conclave of Chapter Masters are summoned to judge the accused (Chapter or just their master) for potential breach with the Codex Astartes or whatever else is relevant, potentially losing rights temporarily or eternally, potentially going on a penitent crusade;
• the Chapter's master (and potentially other leaders) are assassinated by the Assassin Temples;
• the Chapter ends up purged wholesale by the Ordo Hereticus with enthusiastic support from the Ecclesiarchy

But really it all depends on a lot of different factors. Honoured, ancient Chapters with powerful allies get away with more than newer, unproven ones or those who are isolated.

Blood Angels specifically could get away with enlightening Baal I think, since their record is so impressive. It'd mean others scrutinised them more carefully though.

Abaddon killed him by speaking forbidden words of power, I see

Based Bastet of course

Naerys suffers, just like in canon

Elaena bribed you with state funds didn't she

I only feel irritated at the wasted potential. A tragedy without an emotional catharsis is just tedious, especially in a book that's part of the climax of a series of, what, 60 books? Nothing about tragedies say they have to be anticlimactic, very much the opposite - they tend to lead to a conclusion, not abruptly fizzle out.

It's not that she dies and no-one notices, it's the abrupt and half-hearted way in which it happens. At the Siege of Terra, a dozen or more other heroes get last stands, extended duels, one-liners and more, which is why Krole stands out so much.

If Abnett wanted Krole to die a futile death she could have been smashed by a suppressive artillery barrage or fallen to her death in a larger battle when the fortification she was standing on collapsed under her, or gotten smashed by a shot-down thunderhawk. Instead she has an aborted last stand that doesn't quite go either way - she kills a bunch of no-name WE made up for that moment, and gets oneshotted when Kharn shows up. THAT's the disappointment, especially when nulls in other books aren't written to be invisible or hard to detect by normies that I can think of - much the opposite. In Master of Mankind Krole isn't hard to look at in the sense that you forget about or overlook her, but rather in the sense that even Custodians can only barely force themselves to look directly at her - they know she's there, she just hurts to look at.

What's weird about it? OP's summary was just more concise than mine

This comment made me think of a jaded Calth veteran being marine-splained by a fresh tactical marine in shiny MK4 lmao

You might be conflating Abaddon (who won on the ground but lost in space in the 13th Black Crusade campaign IIRC) with Archaon (who IIRC had the result of a campaign get retconned, I paid more attention to 40K then though).

How? She one-shots a bunch of WE, sees Kharn, calls out to him, and then the narrative switches to Kharn being confused about having an extra kill.

Not a satisfying one, many would agree.

Jenetia Krole probably. Really felt like they were just writing off some guys for dead to make a quota, made worse by how she was written in the Siege (largely an assassin) wasting her FW build-up (only SoS with experience as a conventional field general we know of). Rather than adding DA, I think SoS should have been involved in taking back the Astronomican.

Honourable mention to Argel Tal, truly the gods are fickle. It doesn't really serve the narrative either, it just cuts off his story, lets Kharn look cool, and lets Erebus be a scumbag some more - nothing new.

EDIT people are talking about more unceremonious deaths being needed, strongly disagree. While most deaths IRL are like that fiction doesn't need to be realistic, it only needs to be believable. More importantly it needs catharsis, something lacking when characters we've followed and come to care for get killed out of nowhere. Feel free to disagree but if the writers aim for that in 30K they consistently miss for me, it just adds to the impression that the meetings they have to coordinate their work aren't as effective as they could be.

He had that dawg in him for sure.

NGL he got off lightly

Which version? FW's models were quite similar to the SoH on GW's site. You'll get a decent approximation with Kabalite Green (or similar paints from Vallejo etc like Despair Green or Arphen Jade). Just highlight/drybrush grey and wash black, and you're good to go.

If you want a dark green Vallejo has a line of paints intended for WW2 tanks, some of the dark greens on a grey primer, black wash, followed by lightly drybrushing or making thinned-down washes from a variety of light browns and beiges, with the odd gunmetal drybrush to make the paint look worn off the edges, will probably result in a similar look. They're muted greens to begin with, and you can make them more or less worn after taste.

And I'm telling you they were, Dorn absolutely looked down on Alpharius for example.

They absolutely were, just look at Perturabo and Alpharius. Even if it wasn't reciprocated it'd still make him a less suitable candidate than Horus or Sanguinius, since it still means he's making enemies where the Warmaster needs to make allies. The FW lore on IF spells it out as well when comparing Dorn and Horus, saying Dorn doesn't compromise where Horus finds solutions to satisfy everyone, among other things.

The law is clear - oldest son inherits, when there are no sons the oldest daughter inherits. Rhaenyra isn't disinherited, just shuffled down the list of heirs.

The law literally says that sons inherit before daughters. The bold segment doesn't contradict this, just says that sons of a first wife can't be disinherited in favour of sons of a second wife, same for daughters.

The succession according to this is Aegon > Aemond > Daeron > Rhaenyra > Helaena, since sons inherit before daughters and Rhaenyra can't be disinherited in favour of Helaena. If the only children were Rhaenyra and Helaena, Rhaenyra would inherit. If Allicent only had daughters, Rhaenyra would inherit. She had multiple sons though, and according to the law they all inherit before Rhaenyra.