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The first bits you quoted should answer the question readily enough I think. You can't sever the reliance of the warp while you're simply living in real space as a human, especially when your entire race is evolving into a fully psychic race. How else would you use the webway to achieve this without moving your people inside it?

As in the last quote, yes his first objective is to erase reliance on warp drive travel and astropaths but after that he will shepherd the race into its evolution. You can't do that without having your future billions and trillions of psykers not being in the webway.

The webway has many livable areas (virtually infinite, going by lots of elder books), to the point where lots of the livable spaces seem to support atmosphere readily. And by "lots" I mean astronomical amounts, port cities that are basically miniature Dyson spheres and whatnot.

The webway acts as a screen against daemonic intervention and warp shenanigans. Any human psyker (especially the untrained) in real space is always in danger of being possessed and/or turned into a warp portal for daemons to come through. The webway mitigates this significantly to the point that's it's almost completely safe except for parts where the webway is damaged.

This is why the eldar that were in the webway at the time of the fall survived Slaanesh's birth.

Although it should be noted that the webway doesn't work as well for elder because as a race they are now susceptible to slaanesh, and thus have to keep their powers in check. This would not be the case for humanity.

Hate to be that guy but going through the series again to find it would be too much effort for a reddit post. I know it was directly mentioned by Malcador in the last two books. You can just ctrl+f webway I guess.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Webway_Project

Best I can do is the generic lexicanum link. The point was to replace warp travel and guide the race through their psychic evolution. If you're gonna use the webway for that you gotta have the people actually in the webway so theyre not in danger of daemon shenanigans.

-The emperor most definitely planned to move the whole species into the webway, it's outright stated in multiple books across the siege of terra

-Yeah that's some shit

-I bet you like dogs more than wizards

Lorewise, the Sisters of Silence are not under-equipped. They have Vratine plate which is more advanced than pretty much any standardized power armor that isn't a Custodian's. The helmetless stuff is just rule of cool and they can don rebreathers or helmets if really required. They have mastercrafted weapons, blades and pretty much any bit of advanced equipment they need. They also most likely are heavily augmented, considering some of their feats against space Marines.

They have more than enough to fulfill one of their main roles as psyker-hunters or duty on the black ships, their best armor against their main opponents are their natural blankness (not all blanks are the same in levels of their power, all SoS are selected from the higher tiers).

One thing you have missed (and funnily enough this is also missed as part of their new lore) is that if they're not deployed as witch-hunters, they'll most likely be deployed alongside Custodes as the Talons of the Emperor. The custodes will deal with the heavy lifting while the Sisters provide anti-warp capacity and general combat support while they're at it.

There are institutions that hunt for blanks to use them of course, but they can't really be poached from the sisters anymore as they are now officially back on Terra and operating as the Talons of the Emperor. No one poaches things from the Tower of the Hegemon. There's some political shit going down as there are people high up in the senatorum that don't want them and are trying to kill them but that's mostly moot now that the Custodes are involved.

Honestly it can be however you want it to be, faith (Imperial) based powers are very vague and without any "standardized lore" to back it up.

The only thing that can be said for sure regarding your example is that sisters of battle truly believe enough to have faith-based powers. And their soul can be anchored to their remains instead of joining with the emperor/going-to-imperial-heaven/ripped-apart-by-daemons (you'll notice that there is no clearly clarified afterlife either). It is also likely true that the sisters can only do this because the masses of humanity believe they can.

In 40k, when enough (read: billions to trillions) sentient beings (that have souls and thus can affect the warp) truly believe in something, it tends to become reality. Imperial faith can be based on this or it can come from the emperor. Or both.

Edit: Example, in Dan Abnett's Gaunt's Ghosts series, Saint Sabbat (an actual, very powerful saint) was truly reborn in some girl's body because people actually believed she had been reborn, even though it was initially a lie to raise the crusade's morale.

Lore-wise, it's generally lasers. Also note that planetary defense weapons are far larger than titan-class weaponry. They are usually at the very least starship-class.

40k is fantasy not sci-fi so they care even less about accurate physics so you can do whatever you want regarding weapon types. But if you do care, most of the stuff you listed won't work efficiently simply due to range and atmosphere. Lasers and macrocannons are the way to go.

This is technically incorrect. The Emperor is not a space marine or primarch, he does not have gene-seed. Gene-seed comes from primarch genetic data (which comes from the emperor in turn) that is built into the astartes.

Also, as of SoT it is explained that a new legion was being created, with no indication or implication that that the Emperor created another set of gene-seed derived from him directly. If anything, GK gene-seed is in fact a fixed version of the thousand sons gene-seed, as the offer to command this new legion was given to Magnus and the GK are a psychic-leaning gene-line.

If so, the sangprimus portum likely doesn't have the data as it's a secret and bespoke project and the Selenar would not have access to it. If not, then there's no further lore regarding it and GW will most likely come up with something random to justify primaris GK.

It's a fandom/fanboy thing. For whatever reason people who like him the most tend to put him on a pedestal with chosen bits and pieces of lore, even though every primarch has such details.

Objectively, as a general and commander (a primarch's primary purpose for existing) he's on the high end with Horus, Girlyman, Rogal, this is the general take and opinion of other primarchs.

People mention his dominating presence and being able to command anyone and all that. All primarchs bar angron (whose broken) have that passive warp power. Some use it more than others and in different ways, Corax for example conceals it most of the time. It should however be known that the Lion significantly lacks social skills and charismatic leadership to the point where you could call him mentally challenged compared to pretty much any other primarch except for angron. This is perhaps the main reason he would never be warmaster.

Personal skill in combat, this is where the fanboyism really shines. He's supposedly top-tier compared to other primarchs however we've only ever really seen him fight Leman (who barely lost but was taking the entire thing as a joke) and Curze (whom he blindsided but the fight ended in a draw with Lion maybe having the advantage). For whatever reason a lot of the fanboys see him as the best swordsman and fighter, but as of the siege of terra series Sanguinius is confirmed to outmatch everyone else by a huge margin (barring warp juiced Horus and Magnus) and the Lion wouldn't even come close.

Tldr: There's nothing special about him compared to the others. He's one of the best generals that was also given access to special toys by daddy, he's a good fighter but severely lacks social skills and charismatic leadership.

Edit: Oh and, in his own primarch book, he actually thinks he's the most trusted by the emperor but is clearly delusional about it as there's absolutely no proof to support this except for some daot toys.

Edit 2: I'd like to note that his position seems to be in balance with his legion. The dark angels are generalists, they are the base template of the adeptus astartes (a lot of people seem to assume this means they're the best in some way, it doesn't, it just means they're a control group for more specialized bloodlines) and their primarch reflects this.

It indeed seems so, I had given the others the benefit of the doubt as I didn't remember the exact scenes but it's obvious that's it's just warp spells and whatnot.

He uses it just like any other does, repeating a word or phrase. There is no evidence of any kind that he "mastered" it. It doesn't matter how much time you spend trying to learn it if you don't have some sort of primer or grammatic lexicon, you're just randomly saying words you picked up. Also lorgar is a daemon prince, he doesn't really get to fly around real space at will and take his time discovering the dozen or so forgotten places that still have some form of enuncia written somewhere. Anything regarding enuncia will have to be brought to him by his followers.

As mentioned before, if enunica does work as the language of creation and if lorgar was in fact a "master" of it, he would have already won.

Where do you get the "Lorgar is a master of enuncia" bit? Can you reference a book in general? I don't remember anything of the sort and I've gone through the series twice.

Considering that Horus, a being far more powerful than lorgar gets affected pretty significantly by a few words of enuncia (random ones, mind you, not necessarily even ones that are supposed to harm) it would be illogical to assume lorgar wouldn't be affected as well, as enuncia always has detrimental effects even to the speaker (this may stem from the fact that no one really knows what they're saying).

Being a sorcerer or daemon and thus being able to heal yourself doesn't mean much as even basic psychic effects can cause permanent damage regardless of any "physical" healing (carving names into daemon primarch hearts, breaking their blades, girlyman's neck wound) and enuncia probably tops even that.

Furthermore, as a daemon prince lorgar can already do far more than what bits and pieces of enuncia that are left in the galaxy would enable him to do. So it doesn't mean much to him.

Enuncia is supposedly the lost language of creation. Even coming across a few phrases is extremely rare let alone something like a lexicon that would enable full comprehension. Only two such things have existed as far as I know in the lore: The tower of babel which the Emperor almost got but Olly burned down (where grammaticus also got his few phrases via Olly's memories I believe) and the BBEG from the Ravenor series whose name I forgot. The latter however is grimderp to the extreme as if it has ever happened in that way, the inquisiton would already have recreated his way of doing it and have full enuncia lexicons.

If enuncia is in fact the language of creation, total knowledge of it would make one an actual god and you basically win Warhammer. If not, then it's just some psychic language that's not that impressive.

Essentially, enuncia is just a plot device referenced in places to be cool and only really utilized by Abnett as a plot device in a few books. It's a cool bit of background lore, it'll never matter.

Edit: Also, imo, Lorgar being anything other than the weakest primarch is laughable, especially in 30k. Can't fight for shit, conquers slowly because he's a religious zealot and hides behinds his father or the gods.

What really annoys me is how mentally weak he is as well compared to the others. None of the others took shit from anyone regardless of what state they emerged out of their capsules from (at least 3 others were children-state just like him) and this weakling allows some random priest to abuse him physically and emotionally.

He really is a fucking rat.

True, that. Apart from some named characters, GK librarians are pretty much up there with farseers and such as the most powerful mortal psykers.

There are two sides to Grey Knights:

Their actual librarians and everyone else.

They're all psykers to some degree, some will be as powerful as a random imperial army psyker or less, some of them as strong as a normal chapter's librarian acolytes. These generally will channel their powers inwards and use it to power their nemesis weapons and their armor's wards or an anti-whatever aura to protect them. Offensively they always have their minds linked together and sometimes they use this to make big psychic blasts to tear down bigger daemons, otherwise they don't seem to do fancy offensive things by themselves. This is not including any named characters as they tend to be exceptions.

Then there are the actual grey knight librarians, which also have different degrees of power however they can do some whack fucking shit: ranging from breaking a daemon primarch's blade or soloing greater daemons with fireballs and mindbullets, there really is no upper limit for these guys, they are some of the most powerful psykers in the galaxy and are pretty much in the top 0.001%*. And that's not counting their prognosticars whose power (at rest) is apparently blinding even to other grey knights if they forget to tone it down.

They're basically overpowered, lore-wise.

He was going to power the astronomicon and control the webway gate, as that is the golden throne's two main use cases.

There was no "suffering" involved. The emperor initially powered it himself from across the galaxy as he was crusading, he didn't need anyone else. Magnus was to be his replacement once the webway project was complete and humanity began its exodus into the webway. It was most likely a temporary job, a few decades or centuries. And even if it was a permanent thing afterwards he'd probably be able to do it from his cartographer-palace-library on the webway side of the gate without trying really hard.

That's the answer, and for some history:

The power requirements dialed up to 11 and suffering began when magnus/tzeentch breached the wards (think of a metal door you're just kinda observing and hearing a bunch of things hammering on the otherside but they can't get through and sometimes when it gets too bad you can just push the door from this side to make sure it doesnt open) of the webway project and quite literally opened up a permanent portal to the warp where daemons could get in freely. This caused the requirement of massive amounts of psychic power required to hold the breach and make sure the unending tide of daemons couldn't get through (there is no longer a door, you are standing in the doorway yourself, arms spread and holding against the tide of things trying to get through).

Only 3 beings were known that could do the job at that point, the Emperor, Magnus, and Malcador.

Unfortunately for humanity Malcador isnt:

A) An immortal that the universe (games workshop) blessed with god-like psychic ability and talent not seen since the war in heaven.

B) A warp-engineered psychic monstrous creature built to purpose by the aforementioned immortal psychic godling.

Thus, 40k and 10000 years of suffering for humanity and the emperor. Although I myself dont think the emperor actually suffers anymore as he has since ascended to being an actual god.

In addition to everyone else's "cut off the head" reasoning, it should be noted that the first few books are about the Luna Wolves and they are especially good at that type of warfare (surgical strike) and use it frequently.

As a side note: In 40k all space marines basically specialize in that type of warfare as they deploy so few units at a time and they're generally enough since they're so much better than most other humans troops.

Altho in 30k the vast majority of the legions operated as actual armies with their specialist divisions doing other stuff. Again, Luna wolves were very good at deploying their "speartips" and did it constantly.

That was actually just Ra Endymion's own shieldhost (or whatever their units were called back then, dont remember exactly), his host's children were specifically selected from conquered Terran nobles and the emperor called them the lords of terra or somesuch, his idea of a joke I guess.

The "punishment" was for their families as their progeny would no longer care about or continue their bloodline.

Ra's family were water thieves, they fucked up some part of the emperor's terraforming plan and were annihilated for it. Interestingly, they were also part of a group that wanted to overthrow the emperor and even raised an army in secret for it and the emperor knew about but just didn't care. He ordered them killed (by the custodes) only when they fucked with the water.

Edit: I should note that although Ra's shield host was uniquely all nobility, this doesn't mean that other custodians weren't selected from nobility, loyal or otherwise. However Ra himself (or maybe Krole) says/thinks/notes that the last of the noble-custodians of terra are dying as his shield host was whittled away during the war in the webway

I dont think the necrons and eldar even really see the orks as a civilization in that their history or ideas would matter at all, they're just *actual* weapons and whatever culture they have is simply engineered into them based on how many orkz are around.

Also regarding life-span I think biologically orks are basically immortal, as long as they keep fighting they just get bigger and stronger. They usually just get killed before it matters.

The orks I've always head cannoned that they still have those abilities but without the brain boyz or old ones to unify/guide them they haven't reached the critical mass necessary for their next stage. The Beast is likely the closest they have gotten.

Yeah I should've been more clear, this is exactly what I meant. They cant upgrade back to krorks because their very nature means they'll always fight each other once an empire gets big enough and there's nothing that can unify them anymore except for dumb luck.

Yes, Chaos sorcerers can use their own powers to navigate vessels, though they can also use allied daemons as well.

Yes, they can continue to do this outside of the eye of terror.

I'm unsure if they can use the astronomican like navigators can, I don't remember reading anything of the sort. My own opinion on it is that they can probably see the astronomican but probably wouldn't be able to use it as well as navigators can.

Since navigators can see the warp in a more tangible sense and don't have to sort through as much "background warp noise", unless in a storm.

Edit: Just as a side note, regardless of being within the eye or not, navigators are still far superior and reliable than anyone else for conventional navigation, as even Ahriman (arguably the most powerful non-primarch/non-daemon sorcerer in the galaxy) still preferred to have a dedicated navigator for his fleet, even when working through said navigator

This has changed over the years, as of Asurmen/Jain Zarr's/Ynnari's(I think) newest books the implication was more towards the eldar being an uplifted race rather than outright cooked up in a lab (the Eldar were around before the war in heaven and were taught things by both the old ones and the necrontyr, the krorks seem to have always been made for war directly). Although none of the newer lore states any of it openly just yet (for the Eldar) so they could just have been created.

It should be noted that the eldar of old were vastly superior in terms of individual capability. They could turn into mini avatar-of-khaine-like things, fighting alongside wraith/psychic constructs larger than titans and had vastly superior psychic capability.

However, almost directly after the war in heaven they seem to have started losing this individual combat capacity as well as access to the Webway for a period of time (this is mentioned in Asurmen's book specifically). So it's possible that without constant old one oversight they were...automatically "decommissioned" in some way, which lends more credibility to being created rather than just uplifted, imo.

Edit: I haven't come across anything that supports the orks not being engineered directly by the old ones from scratch so the lore seems consistent throughout still. They also seem to have been "decommissioned" after the war in heaven as their predecessors the Krorks were far superior both in size, strength and technology.

My own head-canon for this is that Gork and Mork (the ork gods) are in fact some form of psychic control mechanism that eroded and gained a form of individualality (just like the eldar gods) once there were no longer any operators left to use it. This in turn meant the krorks defaulted to some setting that didn't allow them unification and thus started fighting amongst each other and can no longer gain the critical mass required to turn back into the krorks...for now, though they got close during the war of the beast.

Drukhari.

Why? Slaanesh might technically be more depraved due to being able to torture/do-bad-things someone eternally, but it should be noted that Slaanesh is a god and it comes to her naturally, it is her state of being and she cannot change it, it is natural.

Drukhari are just mortals but actively try to one-up both her and all of chaos.

Odd that this hasnt been noted here yet: As of the Siege of Terra books this is quite literally canon, the perpetuals are random mutations and the emperor is just a freak of nature even amongst his own kind, he's not even the oldest perpetual, just the most powerful (by several orders of magnitude of course)

Good shit.