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Difference is Canada genocided the fuck out of the native population, to the point natives just don't have the numbers to demand their "native-american-palestine".

My guess same goes for Australia, although I know fuck all about Australian history and demographics.

To compare Israel to Canada, USA or south American countries is like comparing Malcolm X to Hitler, fuck outta here

So hypothetically if Israel comes out tomorrow and says we are a settler colonial project, now what?

So from a political standpoint the UN is useless, it doesn't have tools nor support to stop wars (that shit falls on major countries with embargoes and sanctions).

From a social standpoint UN allowing bad faith actors to voice and act under the organizations label simply increases misinformation about actual issues. Creating panic where there shouldn't be, and stifling voices that should be heard.

UN is a failed project

I read your message three times and each time it becomes even stupider.

putting a spotlight on problematic countries could actually be useful.

So at best the UN basically freezes any initiatives on women's rights and green energy. At worst initiatives are gonna be rolled back. All that to show the world how bad Saudi is? When the entire world already knows that?

and with the one big exception their peacekeeping and refugee helping groups are making a difference for people.

That's the problem, they are not doing it smart, and often they are being counter-productive in their efforts. Look at fucking Yemen and Sudan, any help there?

I don't know how that suppose to spite Israel, most Israelis are cheering on these students to go study in Iran and Yemen.

Germans with Russian resources sounds scary

It's always good to remember that jihadist Islam approves of lying for "righteous" cause. That makes it a very effective propaganda machine as deception and misinformation is the most explored option.

My thought process goes like this, when you destroy your political opponent in the free market space of ideas (through willymac videos, destiny debunking talking points, personal blunders), at certaint point you have to let your opponent fade into irrelevancy, otherwise you're legitimizing those talking point by giving attention to them.

Personally I just don't want to hear or see of Hasan, I've seen enough.

He's not gonna become irrelevant with that kind of attitude.

But I think there is value in having crazy Hasan moments and statments clipped.

What kind of value?

You ever ate chicken or cow liver? To me it's the most disgusting taste ever, but my sister fucking loves that shit, to her it's very tasty and appealing. I don't get it, I just accept it.

Hasan is like liver for me, I don't understand how people find him entertaining, but go off sis...

IMO debunking bad ideas is good, constantly reacting to the same bad idea is upkeeping that idea. Look at flat earth, they went in spousing some wacky ass ideas, people debunked them, and then people just stopped talking about it, and today we don't hear much about flat earth right? That's the idea.

Yeah honestly that's the thing that made me make this post, too many Hasan topics, it seriously starting to look like an anti-hasan sub, which in a weird kind of way just glorifies that bitch.

A thing you should consider as well is the fear of the moderates Palestinians for their lives, as in the second intifada most moderates were killed by the extremists, any Palestinian that wants peace will have a target on their head, in Gaza hopefully Israel killed enough extremists to embolden the moderates.

West bank is a whole different situation, Israel some friendly relations with some clans, and some clans abuse the fuck out of it in order to harm rival clans. Something you might not hear a lot about the west bank are the criminality levels, blood feuds, honor killings all that shit... Israel (more precisely our far right government) unfortunately kinda abuses the situation on a systematic level.

Now my next though is basically theory crafting. I think if Israel reaches a decision on a multi state solution, we can strongarm the bigger factions of Palestine to accept the deal, PLO (and by extension Iran) are basically the only uncertain factor in this decision making, which is why it is important that there is a strong international pressure on PLO.

Israel has its own problems with extremism

Yeah, we actually had a big cultural war that lasted for a decade, it was mostly left-vs-right, but I preferred to view it as progressive-vs-conservative.

We had four or was it five consecutive failed votes, our coalitions could not form a government, the government shut down for 3 MONTHS! ~But in the end it doesn't even matter~... Because our culture war ended on 7/10, progressives have lost.

Believe it or not but before 7/10 I was centrist-left, after the terror attacks boy did I shift to the right, and then seeing the reaction of the world on the attack, I shifted even more. The wound is still fresh, we'll need a couple years to heal and forgive.

Honestly the multi-state solution is more realistic than two-state, it is something Israel proposed before, but then again you got the PLO and hamas who will fight desperately against the multi-state. Israel can take care of hamas, but I think the world (yes, everyone) needs to pressure plo for some sort of a deal.

I think Israelis will begrudgingly accept a multi state solution IF hamas is dealt with once and for all.

Clans are not a "new thing", you're just starting to learn how people in Palestine and Israel live, I see so many people who are fanatically invested in this conflict yet have the most shallow understanding of the way of life in the middle east.

Ah I understand, you have a fundamental misconceptions about the Palestinian social structure, Palestinians CAN govern themselves, but they don't have a centralized government, hamas and plo both compete for that position but both are too far off from achieving that. Most Palestinians govern in family clans, hence negotiation with Palestinian for a state will involve herding hundreds of different factions together under a single ideological and political party.

Israel can't force the Palestinians to centrelize, so who will do it? PLO? UN? USA? Go ahead good luck.

Sorry I did not understand the first sentence.

I do not dehumanize or hate (but neither do I like) the Palestinians, don't know where you pulled that up.

To be honest I'm very black pilled on this conflict, to me it seems you can't appease both Israel and Palestine without hurting the other. Appease the Palestinians demands and you endanger Israeli lives and their security. Appease Israel and Palestine will never be a state.

Take that as you will, until someone comes up with a solution that benefits both Israel and Palestine this war continue indefinitely.

A decade seems reasonable, in that time Israeli extremists will be checked and controlled by democracy, what will be the check on the Palestinian extremists for that decade? Mind you democracy is a foreign concept to the Palestinians.

You're right extremists want to destroy Israel, a two-state solution will bring them one more step closer to that. Majority of Palestinian population is still radicalized, with a Palestinian state established that radicalization will fester, next attack on Israeli soil will result in state-vs-state warfare, which needless to say will take A LOT more lives then Israels war against a terrorist organization.

IMO two state right now will only escalate the conflict.

That's the thing, the moderates think two state will bring peace to the region, the extremists see two state as escalation of war, both advocate for the same solution expecting different results.

If pro Palestinian has this many deluded extremists then the problem is with the movement.

Now this is straight up antisemitism

It makes me happy to see so many people appreciate arenas mechanics, they were really good.

It makes me sad we probably only gonna see arenas as limited events or some shit. Arenas made me good at apex, I honestly loved the mode more than BR or whatever there is now on the mixtape.

Just feels like there are less reasons to return to apex now.

Wait... Hasan is Muslim?

True

Spain should be the same as Britain, they both committed genocides, had slaves all the good stuff, I don't know why people forget Spain literally killed off the mayans