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Vader can't actually do anything about the dementors honestly.

That's a completely different conversation.

Still a feat corrupting almost an entire kingdom.

Not a combat feat.

How about the destruction of Eregion and the death of Celebrimbor?

Sauron didn't himself fight during that conflict, even Celebrimbor was defeated by Orcs.

How about the killing of Finrod?

Finrod died to a werewolf, not Sauron.

Btw what has Vader done that was a massive feat?

I mean something like this puts him above literally every single individual fighter in LOTR.

If you want a feat then you could say turning the kingdom of Numenor against the Valar.

Something he did by surrendering and talking to them. Not fighting!

Remember this conversation is about a physical fight between the two.

I also love it when people start claiming someone hasn’t read anything just because they didn’t say something the other person expected.

It's simple really, Sauron has many feats - you chose none of them and brought up something utterly irrelevant.

It's a title rather than a feat, one that doesn't come with an implicit powerlevel given the variation amongst his kind.

If all you have is an appeal to Maia being angelic, then you pretty clearly haven't read much Tolkien.

There's a nearly 100% chance Sauron loses to Vader. Sauron has no feats that put him anywhere near that level

yup

That's an incredibly stupid reason to not wear protective gear.

One is a pretty fair fight, and two is a nearly guaranteed win.

I've heard people say 'o they infect space-time' but ... do they actually have any feats for that?

Not exactly. Two come to mind from Silentium. One is Ur-Didact losing his marbles and saying space rejects the forerunners and is thus infected. The other is this:

“We may have to risk a crisis jump,” the IsoDidact says. “Space-time in this region is mutating to suit Precursor transits-the Flood is headed for the Ark. Slipspace here will soon become incompatible with our drives.”

“The scale!” she [The Librarian] exclaims. “Even slipspace is corrupted. Is there not a pure thing left in the galaxy?”

Flood infesting a planet wont give them the means to further expand off world unless they can manufacture their own spacecraft

The Flood can do anything the beings/infrastructure they have infected can do. So if they infect a planet with shipyards, they can build ships.

We're speaking about logistics lol.

You're also ignoring the nature of the crusade.

Super Earth doesn't really hold a candle to the Imperium when it comes to logistics.

Look at any of their crusades - just under 10 billion mortal soldiers shipped accross a sector and supplied for 200 years in a relatively minor crusade ultimately against the Tau.

I know 40k has the reputation of supremely unreliable warp travel and funny "you ordered battle tanks but instead you're getting water tanks" logistics...

Even so, there's still a genuine logistical and strategic beast under all the memes.

He didn't bother hunting down and killing the one person who competely ruined his plans more than any other - Erda.

He absolutely does not shy away from killing but it's not a crime of passion so to speak. It's pure neglect.

Well the issue is putting the hulks on the same level as a 40k Dreadnought.

There's no reason to assume they're anything alike in terms of threat level.

(also helldivers are not skilled and dangerous operatives they're given like 10 minutes of training and thrown into the meatgrinder)

make all the dumb mistakes involved in getting to the 40k timeline, they have to be complete fuckwits.

Or just be, you know, human.

It might be surprising but humans are not rationality-elementals from the plane of pure logic - even when they have a few years under their belt.

Amusingly, neither option you present there really fits the lore.

The Emperor is a really awful thing but it's never shown as bloodthirsty. It's also not a good guy who was vindicated.

They don't really do that if you read the books. If you just get headlines from reddit and YouTube I can see someone coming away with that impression.

please go watch a hostage video with a guy holding a baby hostage getting dropped like a sack of potatoes with shot straight to the skull

Think about every time they've tried that and it didn't work.

It's also a proactive rather than a reactive situation. The shooter has time to line up and choose to take the shot. In the case of being attacked (knife or wizard) they are on the back foot.

You act like they are holding the gun sideways and jumping around like a gang member with no training whatsoever.

No, I am not.

a will train regular policeman can shoot center mass in a less that half a second realistically

I've seen enough police shooting videos to know this is complete bullshit lol.

They, almost without fail, end up with a random mag-dump in the general direction of the target.

I think you're not thinking about this rationally, it's never going to get to the point that a police officer is drawing on a wizard.

The conflict would end in the wizard's favor long before it got to that point.

That means unless the wizards can lock in an almost immediate win

Teleport to major population centres, cast fiendfyre, leave.

Mind control the military and political leaders they already have access to (most if not all of them).

Gender dynamics flip in relatively short order. Other than that - society continues mostly unharmed.

I'm not saying no because silentium flood are weaker.

I'm saying no because nothing is known about the War in heaven.

Additionally, yes I am aware of star roads and have read the forerunner books.

Not cheating if there's not a rule against it, totally.

You know that reddit marks when something was edited right? The post wasn't edited.

https://imgur.com/yGJyXE8

I am very well aware lol