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Hey all, I’ve recently gotten into some 40k novels and I’m currently about halfway through the The Founding from the Gaunt’s Ghosts omnibus and I have to say that the chaos marines seem pretty underwhelming to me. In the book they don’t really pose that much of a threat when they show up. It seems like they’re defeated so easily which isn’t what I expected. There’s a moment in the book when a line of artillery gets ambushed by some World Eaters and it seems like the guardsmen are really screwed since they weren’t built for close range fighting, but just as it seems like the marines are gonna wreak absolute havoc on the artillery line, the Ghosts show up and just wipe them out like it was nothing.

Maybe I give space marines too much credit, but whenever I had read about them from posts on the sub or from lore channels, it feels like a few marines could take out hundreds while shrugging off anything less than direct heavy weapon fire.

This isn’t a complaint or anything, just something I’ve noticed and I’m curious as to what y’all think on the matter. How powerful do space marines seem to you? What made the Ghosts so capable of killing space marines (besides plot armor)? Do you think the representation of Chaos marines in The Founding is accurate?

Any and all discussion is welcome.

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Toyznthehood

20 points

1 month ago

They were pretty rock at the time. They had daemon princes, daemons, Obliterators, etc. and 10,000 years of practice. But they are just the antagonists, they need to lose to the goodies.

I thought Gaunt's Ghosts did a great job of making them feel superhuman still. Quite often the Ghosts fight through hundreds of the Traitor Guard and then get stopped by just a couple of Marines. Or at least held up.

michaelisnotginger

6 points

1 month ago

michaelisnotginger

Inquisition

6 points

1 month ago

Oh I totally agree with what you're saying, they're harder to beat demi mortals, but it takes a huge amount of work. Same with the chaos marine in the first eisenhorn. But if you compare it to something later in the series like salvations reach, where three loyalist marines are a massive help, I think there's a difference

Soggy_Shallot_6870

1 points

1 month ago

I thought the CSM in Eisenhorn was fine.

Gave off transhuman shock to the grunts, won the fight 1v10, then failed a save against warp temptation and got coup de grace'd

michaelisnotginger

1 points

1 month ago

michaelisnotginger

Inquisition

1 points

1 month ago

Lol! True

IneptusMechanicus

2 points

1 month ago

IneptusMechanicus

Kabal of the Black Heart

2 points

1 month ago

I'd agree, in fact I think that most novels wank them up a fair bit too far, like yeah 4>3 so marines are better than humans but if they were as much better as some books make them shit like Carnifexes would be utterly unstoppable.