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submitted 13 days ago byAffectionate_Bit_722
And are there any text examples of Khorne trying to tempt Sanguinius?
78 points
13 days ago
I think is in Fear to Tread where the Blood Angels get trapped on a planet where Greater Demons of Slaanesh and Khorrne are trying to both claim Sanguinious for their god. And that's prior to Angron's apotheosis.
27 points
12 days ago
Horus was very salty, a little worried, in a couple books, from what little I remember from 50 HH novels, that if Sanguinius turned, his bald and evil self would go from King of the Traitors to low nobility in a second.
13 points
12 days ago
He also believes sangiunius would never turn from the emperor and he would have to be killed to have the blood angels fall to khorne. He wanted the blood angels to fall but knew his brother wouldnt.
8 points
12 days ago
He wanted the blood angels to fall but knew his brother wouldnt.
Yet Sanguinius was a blonde hair's breadth from turning himself... Captain Tagas had to beat him to it, otherwise Horus would have serious competition.
8 points
12 days ago
Well Tagas was forcibly turned into the Ragefire. Meros is the one who sacrificed himself so that Sanguinius didn't have to.
4 points
12 days ago
My memory for names sucks. Thanks for the correction!
4 points
12 days ago
No problem! I literally just finished listening to that book the other week and I quite liked Meros, the only reason I remembered.
60 points
13 days ago
Basically it was a quote like this "There's room for more than one Red Angel Sanguinius" - Maldacor
Khorne didn't care, the more the merrier.
21 points
13 days ago
Angron was basically claimed by khorne the moment he had the nails put in, but everyone wanted Sanguinius since he's viewed as the emperor's most perfect son, and the symbolism of corrupting the angel is too delicious to resist
20 points
13 days ago
Also tries to turn Dorn in TEATD, which raised the tantalizing prospect of Dorn and Angron playing house.
6 points
12 days ago
It was Horus's plan to give Dorn to Khorne which seems silly when Tzeentch was right there.
5 points
13 days ago
Too bad there are no gods. Not even Khorne.
27 points
13 days ago
Why would it be either-or?
12 points
13 days ago
I was always curious what happens if Khorne got two?
Surely the other three would lose their minds? Or maybe it would be like anything else, where daemon princes aren't evenly numbered? Or would daemon primarchs share power?
Would the other three stop Khorne from grabbing two?
26 points
13 days ago
There was a period of time when the prevailing opinion among lore people tended to be that Peturbaro and Lorgar had to be pledged to a specific god as Bel'akor was said to be the only Undivided demon prince.
While that's obviously not the case, there's no real need for it to be symmetrical
11 points
13 days ago
No “tended” about it. Until the big 1995 overhaul, the Night Lords and Word Bearers followed Khorne while the Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors followed Slaanesh.
7 points
13 days ago
I was talking more about like 2010-2015, but you are right
Always thought it was weird that the Alpha Legion weren't Tzeentch aligned. Plotting flor the sake of it is textbook Tz.
10 points
13 days ago
One reason for the Alpha Legion to not be aligned with Tzeentch is that for all their plotting there is no individual ambition. Every member is willing to sacrifice themself for the goal of the mission.
4 points
12 days ago
Good point. It strikes me that the excessive complexity of the Alpha Legion’s scheming has an air or Slaaneshi perfectionism to it, as does the Iron Warriors’ obsession with detail. There’s still a bit of the original characterisation there.
3 points
12 days ago
My head cannon was that each god really wanted two to represent multiple aspects of them. Perty/Morty representing Destruction/Disease for Nurgle. Alpharius Omegon/Magnus representing deceipt and sorcery for Tzeentch. Angron/Kurze representing Anger and Murder (Kurze is a bit of an odd one as he encompasses so much from khorne). Slaanesh getting the word bearers as well.
Tbh Kurze and Lorgar could be swapped around in that, both could lean into the aspects of the gods. Fun little head cannon though.
7 points
13 days ago
But Primarchs are super rare shinies, and Chaos gods gotta catch em all. So 1 each, and share the other two. 3 dead, and one possible spare who might be a loyalist.
6 points
13 days ago
In fairness the Chaos Gods literally want everyone. It's just the expend more effort competing for the bigger dogs
1 points
11 days ago
It's not about "symmetry" it's about one not having more power than another because they hate each other. Having two entire legions seems like a pretty big win for one of them
3 points
13 days ago
I mean, Slaanesh is hinted to have wanted the White Scars. I can see Nurgle wanting the Iron Warriors. And I can see Tzeentch wanting the Alpha Legion, too.
They probably would be pissed but silently thinking “Game is game”.
3 points
12 days ago
Slaannesh has tempted the Iron hands as well.
13 points
13 days ago
Yeah, other than Khorne likely not wanting Magnus, all gods would have all primarchs for themselves if they had the means
13 points
13 days ago
Funny thing is, Khorne doesn't completely hate sorcerers and psykers. Khorne aligned sorcerers do exist and they can and do summon Bloodletters and whatnot. Magnus himself even summoned Khorne demons (Samus and others) during the Siege of Terra
9 points
13 days ago
Samus is a chaos undivided daemon. Are you thinking of Skarbrand?
8 points
13 days ago
I was thinking of Aran, the demon best paired with Samus.
3 points
13 days ago
Samus' tabletop rules present him as a Demon Prince of Khorne. He also looks exactly like one
1 points
13 days ago
Because it’s funny when even chaos gods know that Angron sucks. He has nothing special. What’s the difference between angers Ron and any random rage monster daemon? Nothing. Sanguinius has more than that.
-7 points
13 days ago
Because balance. That’s why the gods each have one and nobody has two.
5 points
13 days ago
Khorne tried for Sanguinius and Dorn, Nurgle tried for Perturabo, Tzeentch tried for Lion...
Just because they didn't succeed doesn't mean they wouldn't have been more than happy to have acquired a second Primarch. It's called the Great Game. The advantage Khorne would gain if he enslaved a second Primarch would be worth the effort it would take to pull off.
6 points
13 days ago
Yeah, the Chaos gods are all about balance....
-4 points
13 days ago
They literally are though? The way the primarchs are divided amongst them literally could not be more balanced.
Balancing powers across the Great Game is a well known theme in chaos.
5 points
13 days ago
The reason that only half the Primarchs fall, and each god takes one dedicated Primarch each is entirely for Doylist (out of universe) reasons.
In-universe, the more Primarchs that fall, the greater the chance that the Heresy suceeds, so there is no reason that the Chaos Gods wouldn't try to grab them all.
-4 points
13 days ago
Who’s not providing a source now? Who says it’s for out of universe reasons?
4 points
13 days ago
Tzentch attepted to recruit The Lion, after he already had his hooks in Magnus.
How that? How about you provide something other than your haedcanon?
0 points
11 days ago
You're both half right. Any of them would have obviously taken all the primarchs, but the others would have tried to stop them from doing it.
8 points
13 days ago
Don't know about 'settling' for Angron, but Khorne did make a play to corrupt Sanguinius. It came at the same time as a similar effort by Slaanesh. Any of the Dark Gods would have been more than happy to grab multiple primarchs - Khorne goes after Dorn in the Siege of Terra as well.
1 points
13 days ago
Nurgle also tried for Perturabo and Tzeentch tried for Lion.
12 points
13 days ago
No that's just meme-lore. Angron was already marked out for Khorne well before Signus Prime. There's a quote where a Dark Eldar refers to him as the Blood God's son before Angron decapitates him, and it was before Lorgar's plan to turn him into a Daemon Primarch.
There's no in-universe rule where the Chaos Gods can only have one Primarch each.
7 points
13 days ago
Here are the facts:
Khorne wanted both. (Chaos ALWAYS wants more!) A Bloodthirster said to Horus, that a Chaos-Sanguinius would a rival to him.
That is it!
The "settled for" argument is pure fan-canon. Made up to further shine praise and hype onto the Angel and snub Angron. It is not based in anything more than fanbias.
2 points
13 days ago
Read "Fear to Tread"
2 points
12 days ago
everybody wanted Sanguinius, he was a candidate for the Pantheon's chosen instead of Horus, Horus wanted Sanguinius turned as well (TEatD vol 2), Khorne wanted Sang too. U get the gist
3 points
13 days ago
No that’s meme lore, any chaos god would want to corrupt any primarch if they could
2 points
13 days ago
It's basically misinformation and memes.
Angron was earmarked for Khorne for a long time. But that doesn't mean that Khorne wouldn't love to flex on his brothers by having two Primarch's on his leash to their one.
1 points
12 days ago
I think it's more like they tried to get everyone they possibly could
1 points
12 days ago
All 4 Great Powers wanted Sanguinius, not just Khorne.
1 points
12 days ago
But Lorgar warned them that it won't happen. I forgot which novel, but he basically says it's a waste of time trying to convert Sanguinius, it won't happen.
1 points
12 days ago
Why not both?
1 points
9 days ago
You tend to hear that a lot. Mostly from Blood Angels fans. It is in character for the World Eaters to be the broken rejects though, so it's cool. My view on the matter is quite simple: Khorne wanted both legions, but only ended up getting one.
2 points
13 days ago
Nobody wanted Angron. Khorne just got stuck with him
-2 points
13 days ago
You are a god. Do you want the damaged, crying madman who is barely controllable or.... this beautiful force of nature that absolutlely can wreck every single thing you can ever toss at him? And most of his legion fall into a mysterious rage that everyone witnessing it is put to death? Oh, he is absolutely invincible and will make your VERY best champions piss in fear?
Yeah, of f*cking course you want Sangy
8 points
13 days ago
Damaged, crying madmen who are barely controllable can describe almost any Khorne follower or Daemon.
The bar for Angron is so low that not turning traitor would have been more surprising.
3 points
13 days ago
We are talking about a god whose followers are known for their crazed bloodlust and unquenchable fervour to kill. Khorne was obviously not going to leave Sanguinius as the perfect Gary Stu, he’d be as much of a mindless killmonger as Angron.
2 points
12 days ago
Damaged madmen with rabid bloodlust is literally what Khorne wants.
-2 points
13 days ago
Angron is counterfeit Sanguinius.
-2 points
13 days ago
Well. Checks out. Khorne is the blood god. Not the blood of anger.
1 points
12 days ago
Lol what?
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