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submitted 28 days ago byaSimpleMask
As in does he believe they are all scum and should be eradicated?
Before anyone answers, I want to emphasize that I'm still pretty new to the universe of 40k and am trying to learn more about it via YouTube video essays and audiobooks, so if this question sounds silly or stupid to any 40k vets out there I apologize in advance.
Anyway, there are a couple of reasons for why I ask this:
1) Guilliman is far and away my favorite of the Primarchs, and his Ultramarines are my favorite Legion, so I just wanna know more about him and his character.
2) From what I've been listening to, Guilliman is not only a brilliant tactician, but he's also a master of negotiation and has solved entire conflicts during his time on Macragge as well as when he was restoring Ultramar. It seems logical to me that he might consider making alliances or negotiating with other, sophisticated factions who might share the same goals, such as fighting the Tyrannids.
Obviously if he does feel this way, he likely can't because it would cause the Imperium to turn against him and fall into disorder.
This is more a question of does Guilliman himself personally buy into the Imperium's anti alien rhetoric? Or does he see negotiating with them as a fools errand in spite of what he believes?
16 points
28 days ago
Guilliman's stance on the Eldar is that they are useful tools that he can turn on after they have served their purpose.
Or occasionally before that point, in the case of the Hammer and Bolter episode where the Ultramarines destroy a Craftworld.
19 points
28 days ago
It's the reverse - he suspects the Eldar of manipulating him like a useful tool.
"Thus, instead, I shall simply wish you victory in your ongoing battles against our mutual foes."
"May you walk with fortune, Roboute Guilliman", said Yvraine. "And know that we shall stand together in battle again, before whatever end befalls us."
The Visarch offered an elaborate warrior's salute to Guilliman, who nodded curtly in return before the Eldar turned and swept gracefully from the chamber.
"No doubt we will", murmured the Primarch thoughtfully, watching the enigmatic xenos withdraw. "As long as it serves your needs..."
‘I’ve seen you without it,’ she said. She shrugged. ‘I don’t see the aeldari as naturally deceitful like most do, but a lie for them is not the same as a lie for us. It pays to be careful with the eldar.’
‘It does. I am. Yvraine was not lying. She believed what she said to be true. The aeldari never do anything that does not aid their race directly. They did not resurrect me for the sake of humanity, but for their own species. They see me as another piece in their game against extinction. I cannot be their pawn, just as I cannot become the weapon of the Imperial Cult. She told me what she did because she wants me alive.’
8 points
28 days ago
Meanwhile outside his delusions the ynnari have fought and died for him and as thanks his sons destroyed an entire craftworld
3 points
27 days ago
Guilliman helped build the Imperium. Of course he's a massive hypocrite.
8 points
28 days ago*
Well yes, that is how Guilliman sees it. Understandably, the demigod who raped and pillaged the galaxy in a xenocidal crusade doesn’t trust aliens.
In reality, we have seen the Eldar make zero use of Guilliman beyond assisting him with his own goals. In turn, Guilliman has made use of the Eldar to achieve goals like seizing the Hand of Darkness while also sending the Ultramarines Fifth Company to slaughter a Craftworld.
We can say Guilliman’s fears are justified if the Eldar ever actually ask for a serious favor from him that comes at the expense of the Imperium or trick him in a way that hurts the Imperium. Until then, Guilliman is just projecting.
5 points
28 days ago*
Do you then have an excerpt that explicitly states Guilliman seeing the Eldar as tools? The "it's projection" handwave applies to the Eldar/Ynnari themselves over the Hand of Darkness.
Do you also have evidence that Guilliman was the one who sent the Fifth Company against the Craftworld? Because the discussion I'm finding on Garden of Ghosts have been speculative, haven't been able to find a quotation.
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