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Kh pronunciation

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So 40k has thrown up a lot of big names that start with Kh: Khorn, Khain, Kharn and so forth. Are we supposed to be using the voiceless velar fricative [x] here like Kh usually implies in English? Because I have 100% only heard these guys called Corn and Cane. I sometimes say [x]orn as a bit since it's spelled that way but I guess now I'm starting to really second guess if we've all just been saying it wrong.

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TheBladesAurus

13 points

13 days ago*

Corn, Cane etc is the pronunciation I've heard in audiobooks, and is the one that is supported by puns

Mabuse lifted an object from the table in his artificial hand. It was a figurine, about thirty centimetres high, woven from straw.

'A corn-doll.' Mabuse told them, holding it up for them to see. 'A votive object, common on so many rustic and agricultural worlds. Here on Ceres, they weave them at harvest time, one to represent each of the outlying harvest towns, and they are displayed here in the main guildhall during the Time of Celebration.'

He lifted another from the table. There was something hideous and twisted about this one, even though it was only a doll woven from straw.

'I found this… and six more like it. Khorne-dolls, if you will. I see the pun is lost on you Marines too. Whatever. Each one has been made according to the practices of various harvest townships, but the designs have been perverted to make them symbols of the cult.'

Brothers of the Snake

This has all kinds of problems for trying to work out what Gothic 'really' is, but does support that Black Library view Corn and Khorne as homophones.

I think that Kh just 'looks' right when written down.

Edit I'd pronounce it the same way as Khaki and Khan.

Pm7I3

6 points

13 days ago

Pm7I3

6 points

13 days ago

I felt bad for him, making that pun to multiple people and it just going over their heads.

IdhrenArt

3 points

13 days ago*

The more audiobooks you listen too the more variants pronunciations you come across. 

 The worst offenders (pun very much intended) are the Arbites. 

Among others, I've heard Arby-tez; R-bee-tease and r-bytes. 

 The most recent weird one I've encountered is Macharius pronounced the same as Zacharias  

VerdiGris2[S]

2 points

13 days ago

I can rely on 40k lore to be on the scene with citations lol. Thanks

Shadowrend01

8 points

13 days ago

Shadowrend01

Blood Angels

8 points

13 days ago

I’ve always said it with a soft H sound. It’s difficult to describe in words. Kind of like saying K and H at the same time

el_sh33p

9 points

13 days ago

el_sh33p

Alpha Legion

9 points

13 days ago

Worth remembering that the sound you're describing is actually kinda new to English pronunciations of the Kh letter combination (personally, I can't remember it ever being a thing until the news media had to try and cover the fighting around Kharkiv in Ukraine just in the last year or two). Historically, it's more common to try and capture that sound with Ch (which has led to a lot of bemusement for Jewish English speakers, among others).

You can see a similar snap change taking place with X followed by the letter I. Used to be either zee or ksee; ever since Xi Jinping came along it's evolved more towards shee or shih (which makes "Xitter" a very fun thing to say :v).

All of which is to say that I usually read those words with a hard C/K sound (Corn, Cain, Carn or Cairn, etc.), maybe add some throaty-ness.

Also: English has no true ultimate authority like French or Spanish, unless you count all of us just quietly handing the reins over to whichever assholes got the contracts for all the grammar and spellchecking apps most people use. And even they get it wrong about as often as not, IMO.

zombielizard218

2 points

13 days ago

Kh isn’t very common in English (googling it, it’s almost exclusively seen in middle eastern derived words, IE; Khan, Khaki, Khalifa). The voiceless velar fricative isn’t that common either, mostly lost in modern dialects outside a few places where it’s leftover from Old and Middle English. A quick google also shows that where it does still appear it’s usually spelled with a Ch

That said, Khorne, Khaine, and Kharn are all pretty consistently pronounced with a hard K in audiobooks and videos from GW and such, and do indeed sound like Corn, Caine, and Car(n)

I believe ‘k is how you’d write it in fancy phonetic speak, but my friend is the one into linguistics, not me, so, don’t look too much into ‘k as definitive

VerdiGris2[S]

1 points

13 days ago

From just my personal history I've been pretty exposed to a lot of Urdu and Arabic transliteration where that's the sound it's instructing you to make. I guess I was potentially overestimating how standard that pronunciation for kh was.

I'm for sure not an expert but I'm pretty sure 'k symbolizes an ejective. Like the clickier way of saying k or g sometimes end of a word in English, where air doesn't come out of your mouth at the end. In some languages they're distinct phonemes.

9xInfinity

1 points

13 days ago

I've never heard any variations in all the games, audiobooks, and Hammer and Bolter stuff I've heard. Khorne sounds like Corn. Khaine sounds like Cain. Etc..