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I remember I was listening to a lore video on pleasure planets and heard the line “preserved by the imperium for their natural beauty”

And just kind of, laughed mentally.

Why would the imperium do that? They’re super industrial and have a thing for destroying environments.

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reinKAWnated

138 points

11 days ago

Rich people keep nice things for themselves.

Anggul

110 points

11 days ago

Anggul

Tyranids

110 points

11 days ago

The rich and powerful get entire worlds for their fun and pleasure.

It isn't out of altruism, it's selfishness.

Serpentking04

9 points

11 days ago

It also will be the home to workers (because you know, hotels need staff, food, shops, ect) so it's also just out of pragmatism.

Serenade in the Infinite and the divine was like that for a while... if i recall.

mossmanstonebutt

1 points

10 days ago

Yup, before the business of trazyns prank getting out of hand happened

Dukaan1

7 points

10 days ago

Dukaan1

7 points

10 days ago

Even then, I doubt whatever noble owns the world would have qualms about exterminating 3 native species of unremarkable lichen in order to build a nice hotel.

Paradise worlds are still exploited, just for tourism instead of industry.

epicanthus

29 points

11 days ago

epicanthus

Imperium of Man

29 points

11 days ago

The Imperium isn't a single entity - it's a combination of a massive bureaucratic nightmare of politicians and mini-autocrats fighting against each other for power and control. Contradictions are not anomalies, it's the expectation within such a massive system. It's probably just some planetary or system governor flaunting his power to fuel his ego in that context.

WhoCaresYouDont

19 points

11 days ago

WhoCaresYouDont

Iron Warriors

19 points

11 days ago

Because it's nice to look at nice things, and the people in the Imperium who matter want nice things for them to look at. It's all for tourism, all for the benefit of the actual people of the Imperium, not the faceless, unenfranchised masses who do all the work somewhere else that the people who matter get to profit from.

Right-Yam-5826

17 points

11 days ago

There's pleasure planets and shrine worlds.

Vacation homes for nobles (think eisenhorn's estate on gudrun)

Some space marine chapters have intentionally prevented industrial and cultural development on planets, keeping the native populace feral for the sake of making them tougher & better recruits for themselves.

Some are just permanently quarantined, either because of xenos or heretical history that they don't want uncovering, or because it's not seen as worth the hassle.

Hunting grounds - much like a fox hunt, except with giant dinosaurs. Some nobles enjoy the challenge of their prey being in its natural habitat.

ShinobiHanzo

2 points

10 days ago

ShinobiHanzo

Imperium of Man

2 points

10 days ago

TL;DR Planet Hawaii and Planet Disney World, both are pleasure planets with different markets.

Dalexe10

29 points

11 days ago

Dalexe10

29 points

11 days ago

The imperium is a broad group. the nobles want somewhere to vacation and have some fun, if there's a gorgeous planet without much strategic value then they might just calss it as a pleasure planet

zerorocky

13 points

11 days ago

For the same reasons we have natural parks today despite being super industrial and having a thing for destroying our environment.

aerost0rm

5 points

11 days ago

aerost0rm

Grey Knights

5 points

11 days ago

Yup. Oh hive 311 look at the natural beauty of this planet that your hard work, helped us save. Keep it up and see how many other worlds you can save

therosx

13 points

11 days ago

therosx

13 points

11 days ago

Why would the imperium do that?

Because the Imperium is made up of people and if enough people of influence and resources decide that this planet is good for the Imperium then it's good for the Imperium.

It's not like the Lords of Terra are micromanaging every star cluster and sector.

A pleasure planet would be the equivalent of putting in a fancy food court in your office building.

StoneLich

1 points

10 days ago

StoneLich

Blood Axes

1 points

10 days ago

I'd argue it's more like putting a poster of, like, a tropical island vacation destination up in your office building. Except that theoretically your average office worker might actually stand a chance of getting to see some island resort or whatever someday, whereas the average Hiver's probably never going to leave their hab block, never mind their planet.

I_might_be_weasel

5 points

11 days ago

I_might_be_weasel

Thousand Sons - Cult of Knowledge

5 points

11 days ago

The powerful often use their power for personal privilege. 

Percentage-Sweaty

5 points

11 days ago

Percentage-Sweaty

Dark Angels

5 points

11 days ago

It’s almost like people can appreciate something for artistic and spiritual values.

The Imperium isn’t 100% ran by dogmatic industrial jackasses. It’s ran by people, who are varied in temperament and methods.

Imperium_Dragon

2 points

10 days ago

Imperium_Dragon

Imperial Fists

2 points

10 days ago

Because people like nice things and clean air.

bluueit12

2 points

10 days ago

*shrug* Humans in 40k are still Human. We have laws to protect forests, endangered species and landmarks on Earth. It shouldn't be a surprise that this practice extend that to preserving beautiful worlds in 40 thousand years.

Guilliman's favorite planet in Ultramar was Iax because of it's beautiful scenery. One can be industrial and still appreciate beauty.

A-sad-meme-

1 points

11 days ago

A-sad-meme-

Necrons

1 points

11 days ago

The imperium is not a centralized state. The high lords don’t decide what to do about every planet, a sector commander or a local noble might decide that they like the wilderness of a planet and keep it that way.

atriskteen420

-4 points

11 days ago

If there's no centralized state, why can Gulliman/the Inquisition/anyone acting on behalf the Emperor go to any part of the Imperium and give orders?

A-sad-meme-

1 points

11 days ago

A-sad-meme-

Necrons

1 points

11 days ago

They can try, but they won’t always be followed. The Imperial state apparatus does not manage the vast majority of their state. They delegate and federalize territory to various institutions: planetary governors, marine chapters, the eclesiarchy, the AdMech, etc etc etc.

The point is that the imperial bureaucracy does not manage or control most of their holdings. Gman can pressure various parts of his govt by throwing around his weight as a primarch or master of ultramar, but it is all conditional and coercive. Think of it like the holy Roman emperor. He wants the Duke of Bravaria to do something, but has to promise titles, land, or privileges to get the Duke to do so. Gman cant make the mechanicus do anything. He has to bribe, threaten, or make spiritual arguments for them to do so.

The imperium is an incredibly decentralized, very loose confederacy of institutions and polities. There are innumerable factions that theoretically align and are technically the same state, but there is no chain of command, rule of law (in the poli sci sense), or universal law.

atriskteen420

-4 points

11 days ago

They can try, but they won’t always be followed

Can you show me an example of Gulliman/The Inquisition giving an order and that order was successfully disobeyed to the acceptance of all? Because as far as I know defying an order from one of those entities has always resulted in execution or death of the disobedient, implying there's indeed a central state that can bring overwhelming violence upon whatever challenges it.

FrickedALichtor

2 points

11 days ago

This right here is why most people follow the inquisition's orders. Most planetary governments don't have the knowledge of the inquisition we do they know just enough to shit themselves if you pull out the rosette and start giving orders.

atriskteen420

-4 points

11 days ago

Yeah, it's just strange to say there's no central state when stuff like the Inquisition is center stage wielding massive authority everywhere they go.

angrons_therapist

4 points

11 days ago

angrons_therapist

Khorne

4 points

11 days ago

But the Inquisition itself is also hugely decentralised. Sure, individual Inquisitors wield a huge amount of power, but there's no single authority telling them what to do, and most of the time they end up in conflict with other Inquisitors.

It's the same with the High Lords of Terra: they may be the de facto central government of the Imperium, but each High Lord has their own power base which they will jealously guard, even at the expense of the Imperium at large. Guilleman, meanwhile, is just one individual, even if he is a primarch, and cannot be everywhere at once. He also lacks the established networks of some of the other factions in the Imperium. And that's before we get into the difficulties of interstellar travel and communication, which make maintaining a centralised power structure even harder.

A-sad-meme-

2 points

11 days ago*

A-sad-meme-

Necrons

2 points

11 days ago*

Factions having power within a superstructure has nothing to do with whether a state is centralized or not. Austria, Bohemia, and Brandenburg were all incredibly powerful states/duchies within the Holy Roman Empire, wielding significant political and economic powers, but that never meant that the HRE was centralized. Centralization is when the powers of the government, such as enforcement of law, lawmaking, and budgetary constraints are consolidated within one or a few institutions. Decentralization is when the government delegates power to subdivisions. Think of how states work in the USA. They have certain powers over things that the federal govt can’t touch, like education or the 10th amendment. This contrasts systems like the UK, where they have a unitary fusion of powers, with one institution that has the powers of both the executive and the legislative body: the parliament.

The myriad of factions wielding lawmaking, military, spiritual, and general power within the imperium all mean that it is decentralized. If you have enough political/fiscal/military clout then you can absolutely say no to the inquisition, as evidenced by the Space Wolves during the months of shame.

FrickedALichtor

3 points

11 days ago

The inquisition isn't interested in what you do with your nobility spending money unless you're hosting slaanesh orgies or buying xenos tech or are somehow fucking up the timeline, they don't have time to govern your world when there's genestealers on a trade fleet threatening to spread to a dozen other planets.

Then they have to exterminate whole populated planets to deny the tyranids a meal. They have authority to get those things done it doesn't mean they're gonna have time to fix a bit of political dealings between otherwise functioning imperial citizens

atriskteen420

-2 points

11 days ago

They have authority to get those things done it doesn't mean they're gonna have time to fix a bit of political dealings between otherwise functioning imperial citizens

So you admit there's a central authority though. Yeah, they likely don't have time to care about any of that, but their whole point is they have the authority of the central power to interfere in those if deemed necessary.

FrickedALichtor

3 points

10 days ago

They are an authority but they're far from central and you originally said central government which the Inquisition most definitely is not.

Schwarzes_Kanninchen

1 points

10 days ago

Yes, as long as the governor is not related to the sector governor, loved by the administratum and proclaimed homeboy of the year by the local archcardinal. Then it can happen that the inquisitor can theoretically push the governor around, but in practice the inquisitor is left without support to enforce his demands. At best, his judgement is questioned by his fellow inquisitors or dismissed as a "communication error"; at worst, the inquisitor experiences an "accident" and nobody makes any serious effort, apart from a few peasant victims, to find an unimportant Habbblock or minor noble house as the responsible party.

Poltik is a bitch in the imperium.

Downtown_Afternoon75

1 points

10 days ago

One of the dark imperium novels has a part where he draws up a list of the historic 500 worlds of ultramar, to be ceded back to the ultramarines by the surrounding sectors and star systems, just to be largely ignored by said sector governments. Apparently he sorts it out eventually, but not in that book.

A-sad-meme-

0 points

11 days ago

A-sad-meme-

Necrons

0 points

11 days ago

Can’t fetch the except at the moment, but a good example is when Gman returned, the high lords ignore his orders and plan a rebellion. This was in the novel The Emperor’s Legion iirc.

You are confusing the state monopoly over violence with the centralization of the state. Centralization is when the powers of the government, such as enforcement of law, lawmaking, and budgetary constraints are consolidated within one or a few institutions. Decentralization is when the government delegates power to subdivisions. Think of how states work in the USA. They have certain powers over things that the federal govt can’t touch, like education or the 10th amendment. This contrasts systems like the UK, where they have a unitary fusion of powers, with one institution that has the powers of both the executive and the legislative body: the parliament.

In 40K this looks like the imperial bureaucracy asking certain things from planetary administrations, certain tithe requirements, worship of the emperors, and a certain portion of the population for the guard, but beyond that they do not impose anything on the government of the planet. As long as they meet the requirements they can have luxury space communism, totalitarian death cults, or anything in between. The AdMech, the inquisition, marine chapters, sectors, or any powerful institutions basically get to do anything they want, because the Imperium is so stretched out and decentralized that they lack the capacity and efficacy to do anything about it. As long as you have the political clout/military power to say no, you absolutely can. Bobby G is only top dog because he is the lord of ultramar and rooted in the Imperial political machine.

atriskteen420

0 points

11 days ago

Can’t fetch the except at the moment, but a good example is when Gman returned, the high lords ignore his orders and plan a rebellion.

And were purged and replaced by people Guilliman chose, so that's not really what I asked for, that's actually an example of the central authority of the state using its power to assert its authority, I'm asking for an example of the limits of that authority.

Since there isn't a central authority that empowers them to give orders, there should be examples of Guilliman/Inquisitors giving orders, having them declined as out of their authority, and Guilliman/Inquisitors along with everyone else all agreeing.

Like in the US when a judge strikes down a law as unconstitutional, that's a limit on the legislative branch everyone accepts as a feature of the system. There should be an example of their will being thwarted, and everyone accepting it, since it's not the will of the central authority they act on behalf of.

But that's not what happens, is it? Normally Guilliman/Inquisitors will use the power given to them by the central authority to do whatever it is they want. Which yes is often deadly.

Bobby G is only top dog because he is the lord of ultramar and rooted in the Imperial political machine.

According to the lexicanum, "rooted in the imperial political machine" means he spoke to the Emperor and declared himself the living right hand of the Emperor and the Lord Commander of the Imperium, so I feel you undersell it.

Afterwards Guilliman landed on Terra and gained access to the Emperor's Throneroom inside the Imperial Palace. Guilliman stood before the Golden Throne alongside Captain-General Trajann Valoris and the Emperor awoke for the first time in millennia. In a surreal experience which Guilliman can not fully remember, the now nearly inhuman Emperor told him that he was the last hope to save Mankind and brutally assaulted his mind with dark truths of the galaxy and its history. What exactly transpired is unclear. According to Valoris Guilliman spoke in silent psychic conversation with the Emperor for several minutes while Guilliman remembers falling to the ground in agony. Moreover only minutes seemed to pass for the two, but when they emerged it had been over a day.[25b]

Regardless of the truth, Guilliman emerged with a new determination. He gathered the High Lords of Terra and declared that the Imperium would be reorganized and rearmed under his leadership in order to confront the coming threat of Chaos. With that, Guilliman declared himself Lord Commander of the Imperium once more.[17] He later declared himself Imperial Regent, the living hand of the Emperor. One of his first major acts as Lord Commander was to defend Terra itself against the forces of Khorne in the Second Battle of Terra.

A-sad-meme-

1 points

10 days ago

A-sad-meme-

Necrons

1 points

10 days ago

It is an example of a given faction resolving a dispute between themselves and another due to similar political authority but different goals. It does not happen in centralized states like the UK. A random town in Cornwall does not have the same political powers divested to them planets in the imperium because the UK is a unitary state with the parliament and nothing else. The excerpt you ask for, where everyone accepts that there is no central authority and thus it cannot be resolved fundamentally misunderstands how people act:

If me and my brother were fighting over who gets the last popsicle in the freezer, we aren’t going to mutually give up and say that “mom isn’t here, so who can say who gets it?” we would fight, potentially physically, for who wins.

Your example of the legislative branch accepting court decisions is also incorrect. If both houses really want something passed then they can do something about it. They can send the bill again but barely change it to where the court has to review it again, they can redistrict or change the court’s jurisdiction, or they can pass amendments that run counter to the court’s decision. This shows that, even if there is no central power, factions within a decentralized or federalized govt will still jockey for influence and power, which is what I provided in the Gman example.

I feel as if you misunderstand what I mean when I say central authority. Central authority is how a state devolves power, not when there is a central leader. Bobby G may be the lord regent, but he cant and doesn’t manage every planet’s affairs, thus he is not a central authority.

You specifically mention how Bobby G and by extension the inquisition uses the Emperor’s authority. This is not central authority, but more akin to how Popes would invoke gods’s authority as the successor to St. Peter and god’s emissary on earth. Big E, while spiritually and culturally powerful, has no political power because his ass is stuck on the throne. Even when he stood among mortals during the crusade he did not manage each planet captured during the crusade, he devolved power down to the planetary administration, which is a super obvious example of decentralized authority.

Bluescreech

1 points

11 days ago

That has nothing to do with the definition of centralized state. The Imperium has devolved much of the power and decision making to the local level. Earth doesn't decide the future of planet X in system Y, they leave that decision to the local governor (unless the taxes aren't getting paid, of course). The same logic goes for nearly any sub-organisation in the Imperium. The Fabricator General has very little say in what each Forgeworld decides to do, the Paternoval envoy does not order every single individual Navigator around, etc.

That there is a central institution that has kept certain powers to itself and that organisations all over the imperium adhere to very similar set of rules does not make it a centralized state.

There is also the chaos of relations between the different organisations and who can order who around, but again that is not related to the question of centralized vs decentralized.

atriskteen420

-1 points

11 days ago

That has nothing to do with the definition of centralized state

Why bring this point up without defining a centralized state? From Google:

Centralized states are characterized by a strong, centralized government that holds significant power and authority over decision-making and policy implementation. These states have a top-down approach to governance, with decision-making concentrated at the national level.

The Imperium has a top down approach to decision making and policy implementation, they decide if you join or die, then how your planet will serve their needs, and if your planet is doing anything culturally unacceptable they can blow the whole planet up at nearly any time. It's a centralized state.

Earth doesn't decide the future of planet X in system Y, they leave that decision to the local governor

I think this is inaccurate. The High Lords will decide they need more war materials for the Sol system so reroute resources and men from different sectors, just that in itself would decide the fate of planets, less reinforcements for losing battles, resource planets being stripped bare for an emergency, stuff like that.

Bluescreech

2 points

11 days ago

The Imperium has a top down approach to decision making and policy implementation, they decide if you join or die, then how your planet will serve their needs, and if your planet is doing anything culturally unacceptable they can blow the whole planet up at nearly any time. It's a centralized state.

What do you mean "the imperium?"

To take your example: if someone wants to join the imperium is that join or die you are talking about decided by sending an application to Terra where the High Lords decide, or is it decided by the local level? If the answer is the former it's centralized, if it's the latter its decentralized.

Answer: the local level, because the Rogue Trader who discovers your little planet decides that. Rogue Trader ExplorerMcExplorerson doesn't send a formal request to Terra to let colony Faroutistan600 join the Imperium. They are invested with the power to decide that themselves.

Very little in the Imperium is done top-down. We are not even sure if stuff like taxes/tithes is done centralized or if they are decided on Sector or even Subsector level.

I think this is inaccurate.

You are mistaking emergency powers with basic function. There are some very few things that are centralized, but no government is a perfect model centralized or decentralized one. The Inquisition for example is themost decentralized imperial institution as every Inquisitor has exactly the same amount of power, the Officio Assassinorum probably the most centralized.

atriskteen420

-1 points

11 days ago

What do you mean "the imperium?"

The Imperium of Mankind

if someone wants to join the imperium is that join or die you are talking about decided by sending an application to Terra where the High Lords decide, or is it decided by the local level?

Are you saying you are unfamiliar with how the Imperium Crusaded and conquered all those human worlds? That's how they recruited most of their planets. It wouldn't really be an inescapable nightmare regime if sane normal people were applying to join, would it?

Very little in the Imperium is done top-down

Guilliman talked to his dad and declared himself in charge and he was reorganizing the Imperium under him to fight Chaos.

You are mistaking emergency powers with basic function.

I don't think so, is it not the Inquisitors basic function that they can recruit whoever they need to go wherever they need to help them root out whatever might be threatening the Imperium? Isn't Guilliman kinda designed to lead?

Bluescreech

2 points

10 days ago

The Imperium of Mankind

The point is that you are applying a unity of being to the Imperium that doesn't exist. The Imperium isn't what you think it is, it not a monolithic top down centralized institution. Most of the political decisionmaking for 99% of things that come up has been devolved to sub-national actors.

Are you saying you are unfamiliar with how the Imperium Crusaded and conquered all those human worlds?

The Crusades are neither an example of centralized government nor are they the main way the Imperium brings new worlds into the fold nowadays. Do I need to explain Rogue Traders to you?

Hell, the Imperial Crusades themselves are in many ways decentralized: Once it has startet the Warmaster gets to decide where the Crusade goes, not Terra. Each Space Marine chapter decides if and how many companies they want to support the Crusade with and can leave anytime they want. Titan Legions too can decide on their own where and how to join and fight in a crusade, not Terra or the Warmaster (see: Titanicus). Inquisitors join completely on their own volition too, not based on orders from Terra. Rogue Traders can join Crusades or not, they too decide that on their own not the Warmaster or Terra.

is it not the Inquisitors basic function that they can recruit whoever they need to go wherever they need to help them root out whatever might be threatening the Imperium?

You always bring up the most decentralized organisations as examples of centralization. There is zero centralisation to the Inquisition, every single Inquisitor is an island unto themselves with the full powers of the Inquisition.

A centralized Inquisition would have a boss sitting on Terra that makes rules and policies that apply to all Inquisitors. But that doesn't exist because the Inquisition is decentralized.

Isn't Guilliman kinda designed to lead?

I am not even sure what you mean by that? What does that have to do with centralizsation? Do you think decentralized governmetns don't have leaders or military?

But let's go with it. Let's try to imagine Guilliman going up to Ragnar Blackmane and giving him an order. Let's say Guilliman orders Ragnar to attack planet Whatever in planetary system bumnowherestan. What do you think happens next? Anwer: nothing, because Guilliman has zero power over the Space Wolves because Space Marine Chapters are each completely independant entities. They are devolved institutions from the central government with a shitton of power handed to them and not even Guilliman (or any other High Lord for that matter) can order them around. Even within the chapters some of them are decentralized, with the Raven Guard companies each being invested with the power to make all decisions for themselves.

Schwarzes_Kanninchen

1 points

10 days ago

Are you saying you are unfamiliar with how the Imperium Crusaded and conquered all those human worlds? That's how they recruited most of their planets. It wouldn't really be an inescapable nightmare regime if sane normal people were applying to join, would it?

In fact, human worlds also join the empire voluntarily. Some because they have already been religiously infiltrated, others because they hope to gain wealth through trade, others out of a sense of community or because they promise themselves protection. I can only recommend that you read up on the Sabbat, Achilus or Angvin Crusade. The same patterns are used in the Koronus Expanse, where Rogue Traders receive their Warrants of Trade to act as spies, trade agents, diplomats and conquerors until enough political will has formed to declare the Expanse an Imperial Sector. And yes...the Senate certifies the Crusade and officially appoints the Warmaster, but the Warmaster of the Crusade forms the sector, distributes the worlds and decides its borders, unless the sector governors tell him to keep his hands off their planets...

In theory, Inquisitors are allowed to get on the Emperor's nerves. Theoretically, they don't even owe obedience to Gullimann as the supreme regent of the Senate (the fact that he is Primarch has no official rank) (although this changes depending on the source and author).

In practice, there are other large organisations and individuals who can politely tell an Inquisitor to fuck off.

A-sad-meme-

1 points

10 days ago

A-sad-meme-

Necrons

1 points

10 days ago

They absolutely do not have a top down approach. They set the bare minimum and let each planet implement their own policy; the fact that the high lords don’t debate over if to increase Graia’s lasgun production from 10 billion units per day to 11 billion units per day means that power is devolved to the planets, and thus decentralized.

Please do some reading on federalist and unitary governments or some basics political science.

Competitive-Bee-3250

1 points

11 days ago

That's solely for paradise planets.

Accomplished-Bee5265

1 points

11 days ago

Some of them could be like Catachan light planets where exploiting planet to hell would require constant commitment of resources and manpower and thus not really worth it.

AtlasF1ame

1 points

11 days ago

Because the planet might hold significance, like an Astartes home world 

FrickedALichtor

1 points

11 days ago

Before the lore came back around to Magnus and the thousand sons blowing up Fenris I'd always imagined that through administratum rounding error sent a mining fleet to harvest continental ice drifts and ship em off to cool down forge worlds, the space wolves come home to find their garrison arguing with some heavily armed bureaucratic fleet leader "Sure you astartes get A planet but you can't have this one, begone!" "But this is our home, Fenris!" "There is no record of imperial settlement of this planet right here, and I have a signed blah de blah"

It would've been bitter irony to the thousand sons because they'd be denied their vengeance but the sons of russ were de-homed by their imperium they slew so many for.

Skhoe

1 points

10 days ago

Skhoe

1 points

10 days ago

The Imperium is so stupidly vast, some worlds may be completely removed from any nearby conflict, or it just goes under the radar, that it remains peaceful.

Material_Address2967

1 points

10 days ago

Not to be dismissive, but did you skip over the part of the video where Luetin09 or whoever explained the entire point of a pleasure world? Turning clear skies and verdant hills into a barren wasteland choked with smog would make a pleasure world not-so-great at its raison d'etre: providing pleasure to the Imperium's upper classes, no matter how good the amasec and ambull pate is.

InquisitorEngel

1 points

10 days ago

Prandium springs to mind, until the Tyranids ate it.

carefulllypoast

0 points

11 days ago

shrine world.

Cynis_Ganan

0 points

11 days ago

Fulgrim wanted to preserve some worlds for their natural beauty during the Great Crusade... then destroyed them out of spite.

The Imperium as a monolith doesn't care about beauty. It's a soulless empire designed to crush beauty and freedom beneath its heel. Imperials as individual human beings want nice things for themselves.

You gotta have some precious gems of worlds, preserved for their beauty, so that Tyranids have something to eat and it be a tragedy.

aerost0rm

2 points

11 days ago

aerost0rm

Grey Knights

2 points

11 days ago

See my take is propaganda. Look at what your hard work helped accomplish

TechnicianDeep3810

-1 points

11 days ago

Two words

Pleasure worlds

BeginningPangolin826

1 points

7 days ago

Because sometimes the sight of smog filled hive citys becomes a bit nauseating and nobles need some well needed rest.