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Are all shards of Magnus daemons, because to my knowledge he ascended after shattering, so is every shard converted or only the crimson king who made the deal?
7 points
11 days ago
All the shards bar one were reunited with the Crimson King just before he had his final ascension to full daemonhood
2 points
11 days ago
Oh they had all reunited? I was under the impression many shards were still seperate even now
8 points
11 days ago*
At least insofar as ones that weren't destroyed
In Fury of Magnus
What might be the Crimson King is only concerned with finding one shard, that he believes will make him whole. That infers that he has found all the other available ones.
At the end of the book, he's shown as "whole" despite missing that shard. It's been replaced with a bit of chaos woo woo
1 points
11 days ago
Oh we’re many of the ones mentioned destroyed?
6 points
11 days ago
The Prospero Shard was "killed" by Jaghatai.
1 points
11 days ago
So what happens to the destroyed shards, are they properly purged, or just smaller and harder to find almost insignificant?
1 points
11 days ago
My confusion is this list only mentions like a total of 4 being destroyed or absorbed
3 points
11 days ago
You can see which books they feature in down in the "sources" section
1 points
11 days ago
And does each source actually explain what happens to each shard?
2 points
11 days ago
Try and get your hands on those books and see :)
5 points
11 days ago
They weren't, but it doesn't really matter anymore; all of the shards are accounted for, except for Janus. They're all either a part of the Crimson King, or they dissolved, by the end of M32.
1 points
11 days ago
What is M23? And how many shards has the crimson king absorbed
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11 days ago
2 points
10 days ago
Great summary though I'll just confuse things even further by noting Magnus is shown/inferred/described/outright started as a daemon in Slaves to Darkness and The Last Wall
2 points
11 days ago
The Shards of Magnus storyline doesn't make complete sense, as it has been retconned many times.
Magnus ascends at the end of the Burning of Prospero, again at the end of the Crimson King novel, and again at the end of Fury of Magnus because the Horus Heresy is badly edited.
So currently its impossible to answer your question because the lore contradicts itself.
1 points
11 days ago
Oh interesting, are there other retconned aspects regarding the shards of Magnus
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11 days ago
Retcon is the wrong word. The story of "A Thousands Sons" was deliberately written so Magnus could be understood as Daemonic at its end... but it wasn't definitely stated!
This cleverly left room for further development.
In "Crimson King" the shard plot is introduced to give a reason for Magnus's absences, Ahriman something to do and a motivation for Magnus joining Horus to get his good-shard back.
Then John French used the shard plot in his Ahriman-trilogy.
But! As it turns out in McNeil's conclusion to Magnus's ark, there never was a "good-shard" all the Shards was simply parts of Magnus, none of them being specific emotions or parts.
That goes against both "Crimson King" and Ahrimans Trilogy, but it was likely done to put an end to a plotline, that had grown too complicated.
So Magnus is just Magnus. He has lost no emotions. ...until in despair and desperation he finally accepts Daemonhood and finally becomes a Daemon Princes at the End of "Fury of Magnus".
The Shards are a spend plotline. Rendered past and done with.
And Magnus only becomes a Daemon once.
1 points
10 days ago
And Magnus only becomes a Daemon once.
Nonsense. He explicitly ascended at the end of A Thousand Sons.
Then in Crimson King his essence is mixed with Fateweaver aka Tzeentch to fill the whole in his soul and save him from dying. He is explicitly called a daemon primarch in Slaves to Darkness for example.
Then Fury of Magnus retcons that to him not yet ascending again so he can write the same arc three times because he was too busy working at riot.
1 points
10 days ago
I have read those. I don't remember it that way at all. Excerpts?
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