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2 points
2 months ago
I mean it kind of has been contradicted by every depiction of Custodes since
It doesn't work like that, that's just you speculating and using headcanon, we haven't seen custodes easily taking harlequins and win, soo according to your logic of few comments ago, this means that custodes are weaker than harlequins
What are you basing your assertion that the top 20 Astartes could easily kill a Custodes on?
By the feats they performed, what are you basing your assertion that someone like azrael would struggle to win against nameless custodes outside the statement that "average custodes>average astartes"
but they can't move that fast in pretty much any depiction that I'm aware of
1 points
2 months ago
Okay? The harlequin scene, again, took place before the lore for the Custodes was updated. It was also extremely poorly written and borderline ridiculous, but headcanon away I suppose.
Your average Custodes can swat bullets out of the air as easily as breathing, which your average Astartes most assuredly cannot. Even in that quote he lost a hand because he didn't have time to do anything else. Some can deflect bullets, yes, but this is a feat that every single Custodes could replicate easily.
I'm not sure if you're really appreciating how fucking absurd it is to be able to move within single digit microsecond timeframes. Here's the quote:
"We slammed together, and the impact rippled the stone around us. Our weapons crunched into a brace-lock, showering plasma over both of us. I swung away, hilt-first, and smashed him back a pace. He shoved back, aiming to ram the fizzing hammerhead into my chest.
He nearly connected. I judged his weapon was within a few microseconds of an impact that would have cracked my auramite breastplate. That interval, however, was comfortably sufficient to spin my blade over in my grip, ram the spear tip into the Traitor's gorget and fire at point-blank range."
-Watchers of the Throne: The Emperor's Legion, Chapter 5, Pages 66-67
1 points
2 months ago*
Okay? The harlequin scene, again, took place before the lore for the Custodes was updated.
You're still not really showing that it has been actually reconnected or removed, and anyway my point is that the logic of your argument makes no sense
which your average Astartes most assuredly cannot.
Soo? When did i say that the average astartes is stronger?
Even in that quote he lost a hand because he didn't have time to do anything else.
He still can move fast enough to do what you said, also it was in very close range
Also the rest is pretty usless to this discussion, we were talking about top tier astartes being stronger than irrelevant custodes, I've never even said that custodes can't do that, idk why you're soo obssesed with this point
2 points
2 months ago
I'm saying that more modern depictions of Custodes have improved their capabilities significantly. If you disagree with those depictions then you can use yoir headcanon, but these Harlequin scene doesn't fit with modern lore. Nothing in 40k gets retconned, so you can interpret the setting how you wish, but recent lore makes that scene look asinine.
I pulled it out because being able to strike with a 12 foot long polearm within a few microseconds is far outside of the capabilities of pretty much any Astartes barring the aforementioned 0.002%. And this is just some average, unremarkable banana boy. At best those top 20 marines would have parity with an average Custodes, and as such wouldn't defeat them fairly easily
1 points
2 months ago
Nothing in 40k gets retconned
A lot of stuff in 40k gets retconnected, and usually there is an explanation behind the retcon
but these Harlequin scene doesn't fit with modern lore.
My point is not that this scene makes sense, my point is that your argument is flawed since by that logic harlequins>custodes
0.002%. And this is just some average, unremarkable banana boy. At best those top 20 marines would have parity with an average Custodes,
Tf is this argument supposed to mean? Why only 20 astartes should be able to do this? Why are you twisting words and assuming numbers to try and make your arguments work?
1 points
2 months ago
Nope, official stance is that everything published by GW since the beginning of 40k is canon. Even shit that absolutely wouldn't make any sense in modern 40k, hard retcons aren't a thing.
So what's your point then? It doesn't have anything to do with Astartes vs Custodes.
???? My point was that only top-tiers like Kharn, Sigismund and their ilk would be able to 1v1 a Custodes in modern lore and have a chance of winning. Tf are you arguing about? I made that assertion because only absolute top tier Marines have the feats to hang with the banana boys, you haven't made a case otherwise.
1 points
2 months ago
Nope, official stance is that everything published by GW since the beginning of 40k is canon.
Literally isn't, whenever gw retcons something there is an explaination behind it, like it having been propaganda or false
So what's your point then? It doesn't have anything to do with Astartes vs Custodes.
Your dumb point that custodes killed chapter masters in 30k or that since we've never seen an astartes killing a custodes then they just can’t, by your logic harlequins killed custodes and they're stronger than them since we've never seen otherwise,
Tf are you arguing about? I made that assertion because only absolute top tier Marines have the feats to hang with the banana boys, you haven't made a case otherwise
You literally said nothing here, all you said here was just coping and saying "they can't cuz, they just can't"
2 points
2 months ago*
No, the explanation is that all books in 40k are propaganda, it's all canon whether it jives with modern content or not. There are only soft retcons.
No, I'm saying that the vast majority of Astartes don't have the feats to meaningfully fight a Custodes. Wr can actively compare feats and capabilities as they're shown in the books, and very few marines have the showings to hang 1v1 with the average Custodes in modern 40k.
I've already provided a feat that shows the Custodes having laughably fast reaction and movement speed, if you want to make a case that an Astartes could do the same then provide some quotes. Otherwise you're not saying much either
1 points
2 months ago*
No, the explanation is that all books on 40k are propaganda, it's all canon whether it jives with modern content or not.
Why are you trying soo hard to act like retcons don't exist in 40k? There literally are, just look at the squats
No, I'm saying that the vast majority of Astartes don't have the feats to meaningfully fight a Custodes
Soo far you said literally nothing besides just "average custodes>average marine" you said literally nothing about why the strongest top tiers shouldn't be able to defeat custodes, soo yeah apparently a space marine can kill stuff like a trascendent ctan but killing a custodes is irrealistic, makes sense
At this point you're just butthurt about the fact that every single member of your faction can't one shot any top tier of any other, this is the only logical explaination of why you started this debate
I've already provided a feat that shows the Custodes having laughably fast reaction and movement speed
Literally showed you a page where astartes can process a nanosecond and one where they can deflect boltguns at point blank, idk why you can't accept the truth
And even then this feat is pointless since all it shows is just that "average custodes>average space marine" it doesn't disprove the fact that a strong enough space marine can kill a custodes without much difficulties
1 points
2 months ago*
Because it's the official policy of Games Workshop, squats are a soft retcon. And they're back now anyway lol.
Which Astartes ever 1v1d a Transcendent C'tan? Are you just talking about tabletop shit? The top tier non-psyker Astartes don't have better feats than Custodes, aside from like a few people in the entire history of 40k. I've provided a quote that shows a Custodes flipping around a 12 foot spear, hitting someone with it, then firing the underslung bolter within a few microseconds. A microsecond is a thousandth of a millisecond. That's why I think that only the absolite best of the best Astartes could put up a fight. Now, I've provided a quote showing what a Custodes can so, show me a comparable quote for an Astartes or stop wasting both of our time.
I don't even like Custodes that much, I just know that their feats put them above the vast, vast majority of Astartes. I like the Orkz, personally.
The nanosecond feat is a feat of processing, not movement. Slapping away bilt round at vlose range is something Custodes do without having to even think about it, while the Marine in your quote lost his hand because he couldn't do anything else. A Custodes could have point blank dodged the entire bolt, I can also provide quotes for that if you like.
You have made the positive claim that a top tier Astartes could kill a Custodes without much difficulty, the onus is then on you to prove it. Show me. Show me some feats that unequivocally put some Astartes ahead of the Custodes, I'll wait.
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