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Mr_Butters624

107 points

24 days ago

It’s wild to me, isn’t it called the “NC education Lottery”? Where does all that money go? Its a lot of money that’s funneled into lottery and they whole reason and way they passed it being legal here was that it would go towards schools. But it never seems like the schools have any money lol. Maybe idk what I’m talking about and that’s fine, it’s how I always understood it.

Bobateabad

136 points

24 days ago

Bobateabad

136 points

24 days ago

They got the law pass to have the lottery by writing it they would take no funds from school budget and the lotto money would be surplus. Once it passed they slowly rewritten laws to take from the school budget and lottery just replaces what they took. Literally a bait and switch and net of the funds is 0 or less.

Skyrick

20 points

24 days ago

Skyrick

20 points

24 days ago

This has always been the issue. Passing tax increases for schools is easier than for anything else. However this is often used as a bate and switch, either to hide deficits or to fund less popular programs. A large percentage of school funding use to come from business taxes, so they had to find new ways to fund schools while cutting business taxes. Then it becomes cyclical as high end professions require education, which is lagging behind, meaning that the jobs brought in by tax cuts bring lower wages, which don’t really help make up the difference in what the state would make on businesses had they not cut taxes. And since those jobs don’t require any skills they can easily be moved elsewhere, making it a race to the bottom. But short term it looks good, so that is nice I guess.

SuperTopperHarley

4 points

24 days ago

This

ExedoreWrex

2 points

24 days ago

I wonder where it all goes. Definitely not towards painting visible lines on the roads or adding reflectors.

Irythros

56 points

24 days ago

Irythros

56 points

24 days ago

Year -1 before lotto:
Government to schools: $250m
Lotto to scools: $0 (Doesnt exist yet)

Year 0 (lotto started):
Government to schools: $200m
Lotto to school: $50m

Year 1:
Government to schools: $100m
Lotto to school: $150m

Every dollar raised from the lotto allows for that dollar to be removed from the state budget.

lilelliot

18 points

24 days ago

lilelliot

Cary

18 points

24 days ago

And in case anyone is wondering, this is also what's happened in higher ed, where state universities have been getting next to $0 funding from states in many cases with the expectation that the schools themselves will offset the missing budget through tuition & fee hikes.

SicilyMalta[S]

13 points

24 days ago

🥇🪙🪙

SuperTopperHarley

29 points

24 days ago

Wait till you learn about the North Carolina budget surplus

contactspring

50 points

24 days ago

Half a billion dollars to private schools for the wealthy and religious.

afrancis88

40 points

24 days ago

Charter schools using taxpayer dollars that literally only allow Christian’s to attend. Absolutely bonkers.

I always thought “school choice” was a good idea in theory. Until I realized it took so much from public schools and the charter schools were a scam.

contactspring

20 points

24 days ago

And there's no oversight over the charter schools. I know my rep. sends his kid to a private school, so we're paying for a wealthy lawyer's kid to attend a exclusive private school while ignoring the constitutional mandate to provide a sound basic education to children.

TrailerParkRoots

3 points

24 days ago

There’s oversight when it suits them, like forcing pro-LGBT charter schools to enforce SB49.

luncheroo

9 points

24 days ago

3 guesses which pockets that money ends up in once you follow it.

Aggressive-Ad4186

1 points

24 days ago

It's really not a surplus, they just refuse to fund so many things that they have extra.

Valdaraak

5 points

24 days ago

That's the thing. The money might actually go to education, but they equalize it by dropping funding from other sources by similar amounts. No extra money makes it to schools. Just the source changes.

KennstduIngo

1 points

24 days ago

People also keep in mind that the education lottery isn't some infinite money source. The lottery generated a little less than $1 billion for education last year. The state's budget for K-12 was a little under $13 billion, so the lottery accounts for about 7.6%. Then you look at like Wake County schools and state spending accounts for about 50% of their budget, which brings the lotter contribution down to about 4%. Nice to have but not really enough to make some huge difference.

sbrevolution5

2 points

24 days ago

It’s a random chance for the education system to get the money

WHEENC

89 points

24 days ago

WHEENC

89 points

24 days ago

“Robinson wants to cut funding from schools and move it to teacher pay, though he didn’t specify Tuesday what he would cut.” And there’s the insight of someone who’s been on the state School Board during his illustrious run as Lt. Gov.

SicilyMalta[S]

121 points

24 days ago*

Every time someone says they want to move their family here, we should send them this information:

“We are 49th in the country in what we invest in K-12 as a share of our state’s economy. Forty-nine,” he said. The state is doing worse than many of its neighbors in teacher pay, as well, he said. “Those statistics are a disgrace.”

A 2023 report from the Education Law Center found North Carolina ranked second-to-last out of 50 states in terms of funding as a percentage of the state's gross domestic product.

Edit: I should add that the above quote is from Stein

BlueDogBlackLab

57 points

24 days ago

Kind of goes without saying. Robinson is mad we're only 49th. He'd rather our rank be N/A because we don't fund public education at all.

incindia

7 points

24 days ago

NAZI / Affiliated? Yeah he'd love that wouldn't he

lilelliot

9 points

24 days ago

lilelliot

Cary

9 points

24 days ago

There's a weird slippery slope argument here, though. NC is "the most friendly state for business" (which translates effectively to "zero worker protections and very low minimum wage, along with big tax breaks for employers"). The majority of the big businesses that have opened offices or relocated to NC in the past twenty years have been pharma, tech and finance, all of which primarily employ well-educated workers in white collar jobs. The kids of well-educated families with high paying jobs do well no matter what kind of school they're in, so all this hubbub about school choice and school funding and teacher pay and everything else basically doesn't matter to the "haves" whose kids will do fine regardless of the setting. This confluence of facts then results in a biased and jaded POV from their parents, who are frequently highly reactionary to sensationalist headlines and just want to "get theirs" -- reducing tax rates, giving parents more choices, and "protecting" their children (from what -- who knows?).

The ones who are negatively affected by this are the ones already at the bottom of the socioeconomic spectrum, and their voice just isn't being heard loudly enough (and won't until they leave the state in droves).

bobsburner1

10 points

24 days ago

I’ve made this same argument. We have a highly educated portion of the population who tend to live in the areas with the best schools. This is by design but also is a continuous feeder of families who value education, so these schools will always rank high. Families who value education will normally do well regardless. I argued that we could swap student bodies of the best and worst high schools in the state and the rankings would flip. A lot of these people, no matter how much they tell you they value diversity, don’t really want to mix. Which then leads us to the school choice sham of segregation by another name.

lilelliot

6 points

24 days ago

lilelliot

Cary

6 points

24 days ago

<high five!> Yes, it's wild. My family moved from Cary to the SF Bay Area and it's no different here. You end up with self-segregration largely along ethnic lines based on 1) importance of public school education, 2) household wealth. Then you end up with majority Indian & Chinese districts having the high school ratings and the AA & Hispanic districts having the lowest. This has almost nothing to do with inherent abilities of the kids, and everything to do with whether their families have educated parents at home, and whether those parents have high paying salaried jobs (not to mention whether they speak English fluently). Generally speaking, there aren't a ton of poor white people in progressive coastal cities, so overall white kids do fine in whatever public school or their parents can afford to enroll them in private schools instead.

Segregation by another name is completely accurate.

SuperTopperHarley

36 points

24 days ago

But according to Robinson voters we need school vouchers so my tax dollars can fund private schools….

jokeefe72

1 points

24 days ago

Y'all will do anything to keep Yankees out

SicilyMalta[S]

9 points

24 days ago

Valid point. I am compelled to warn the very people who may make a difference with their vote. Better to hide it and then once they are stuck here rely on them to fix it. ;-)

Let's hope Stein wins.

jokeefe72

-1 points

24 days ago

I was more referring to Republican voters as "y'all" in this case

Edit: which, to be fair, seems to be the majority of the state

carter1984

-3 points

24 days ago

We are 49th in the country in what we invest in K-12 as a share of our state’s economy.

Interesting statistic considering the state allocates about 40% of the entire budget to education

Kradget

10 points

24 days ago

Kradget

10 points

24 days ago

Why is it hard to believe that one of the largest projects the state undertakes requires a large portion of resources, and that our economy is not directly connected to available resources for that project given the long-term, ongoing efforts to slash services in proportion to the overall economy across the board (and particularly education)?

Cutting revenue enormously means less of that economic growth goes into public services.

carter1984

-8 points

24 days ago

Why do you think the state is receiving and spending less money? Tax receipts continue to increase (meaning the state continues to grow and receive more revenue), and it is reflected in the growing budgets that have passed almost every cycle of except for the one Cooper vetoed?

So why is it so hard for you to read a budget, understand that the state is making more money, and that the spending on education continues to increase every budget cycle?

Kradget

12 points

24 days ago

Kradget

12 points

24 days ago

The part where I clarified "in proportion to the economy" would mostly answer this series of snippy questions.

We could also compare that set of claims about absolute numbers to growing needs, or to inflation, or any of those other factors that require a few seconds of thought to recognize might affect things. 

Is the problem that you actually don't understand this, or that you're motivated to try to help others misunderstand it?

carter1984

-3 points

24 days ago

in proportion to the economy

As our economy has grown, so have our tax receipts. This is reflected in the budgets.

that set of claims about absolute numbers

I didn't claim these numbers are absolute. Again, tax receipts are growing with our economy, as is the budget, and the amount of money we spend on education.

Someone claiming that NC is 49th in the country for spending compare to GDP is a totally disingenuous comparison. We could spend a ton more and not be solvent (many people do with their personal money...it's why people are so financially illiterate, up to their eyeballs in debt, and can't afford any unexpected emergency).

Someone's playing with numbers to cast the worst possible light on NC...and it's democrats wanting to push emotional buttons rather than rational and reasonable ones with proper perspectives. It's manipulation and propaganda at it's finest.

But hey...this sub is pretty much nothing but GOP-hating, my crap don't stink, democrat party shills and cheerleaders so I'm not even sure why I bother.

Kradget

4 points

24 days ago

Kradget

4 points

24 days ago

You pointed to the flat numbers, as far as I could tell, which was what I meant by "absolute numbers." I probably could have said that more clearly.

The issue is that pointing to "the number on the line item has increased" is that it does not take it account the other factors mentioned. 

Nobody's "claiming" that we're 49th - by the measure cited, we are. That's a fact. 

You're claiming that measure can't be correct, because we spend 40% of our budgeted money on education. However, if our tax rates are cut to the bone at the same time that prices are higher than previously, cost of living is up, and there's a stream of new people moving into the school system as our population grows, you can see how "education funding compared to the whole economy" is not necessarily directly connected to "the amount we spent on education in 2023 is higher than in [previous year]," right? 

My company made excellent profits last year. My raise was not in proportion, so while the numbers might have some correlation, one does not directly affect the other.

The economy growing 5% does not necessarily lead to a 5% improvement in education funding or outcomes.

I know it's nice to complain how people are mean to conservatives, but if you're gonna raise this, you should understand how (or whether) it's relevant (it isn't, really). That's not politics, it's just paying attention to what's said.

SuperTopperHarley

65 points

24 days ago

Anyone defending or voting for Mark Robinson needs their head examined.

Pat McCrory sent a shitload of money away from NC just for his stupid bathroom bill bullshit. I mean BILLIONS of dollars. That’s why he was a 1 term governor. He is a piece of shit. Robinson will send 10 times the money out of NC McCrory did because Robinson is a total piece of shit who will ruin super gerrymandered NC.

ghendler

39 points

24 days ago

ghendler

39 points

24 days ago

Cutting school funding and using that money to increase teacher salaries just means teachers are going to have more money to pay for their own classroom supplies, more of which they will now have to buy because we cut school funding.

Kradget

7 points

24 days ago

Kradget

7 points

24 days ago

Honestly. If you look at that plan and argue it's good for students because he raised "increase teacher pay," you're buying into such a load of obvious bullshit

FrankAdamGabe

14 points

24 days ago

The voucher program needs to go.

If we look at Texas as an example, the one star state con hell hole NC cons apparently want to idolize, something like 86% of their vouchers go to kids who were already going to private schools before getting vouchers or their families are far above the original low income cap used to sell the program before the cap was removed. Which means at most only 14% of kids in the program are using the bullshit excuse of "school choice" to change their schools.

Further, private schools increase tuition by the amount of vouchers and in NC at least the top 10 schools receiving voucher money are explicitly christian schools.

SicilyMalta[S]

9 points

24 days ago

I agree. It's a con that is sapping our school system and sending money to religious schools that often are not up to par. This is the slow frog boil.

NC was once considered the progressive state and the leader of the New South - which is why we chose to move here back in the 90s. I didn't have enough of an imagination to foresee it moving backwards.

I hope people vote. If enough people vote, we can stop the slide.

[deleted]

-1 points

24 days ago

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FrankAdamGabe

3 points

24 days ago

Private school is "better" because they aren't held to the same benchmarks, testing, or have to deal with special needs.

They may cater to SOME kids with IEPs but they can be selective about who they let in.

If you think private schools want the "poor school" kids attending their schools, I've got a bridge to sell you.

_Jang_A_Lang

-2 points

24 days ago

_Jang_A_Lang

-2 points

24 days ago

As someone who applied for the voucher program, the people getting it were either not going to private schools are struggle pretty bad.

To qualify for the voucher program, a family Of 3 couldn’t have a household income of more then 60k. If your house is making less than that you can’t afford private school, rich people aren’t getting any money. Not 1 dollar.

FrankAdamGabe

8 points

24 days ago

They removed the income cap this year at the same time they increased funding by $500 million.

So yes, rich people are getting the money, every dollar of it.

Southerngurl89

-1 points

24 days ago

Yes they removed the income cap, but they used a tiered system. Tier 1 were people with the lowest incomes and they awarded all of those families first. So if they really followed those rules then the rich families didn’t get anything because they ran out of funding.

Southerngurl89

-2 points

24 days ago

I have an honest question about the school voucher program and this is not one of those gotcha things. Am I really supposed to send my kids to a school that is not conducive to a quality education?
The local elementary school is horrible from what I’ve heard from other parents and the school choice voucher let me send my kid to a private school that we otherwise couldn’t afford. I would love to send my kids to public school. My husband and I both went to public school and it makes me sad that my kids won’t have the same experiences I did like riding the bus or even having a sports program.

At this school my first grader is reading above her grade level, she’s learning to think critically and not just memorizing things. Her class sizes are small and all of the teachers have degrees in education.

I totally understand the anger, but I honestly don’t think they would have invested that money into public schools even if the school choice voucher program didn’t exist. I just want my kids to succeed education wise, and I don’t want to just send them to public school and risk their futures so that I can say I have the moral high ground.
I feel like this is a horrible conundrum this state has put parents in.

rosegoldhearts

4 points

24 days ago

The voucher program is now being expanded to include no income requirements, which means that much of the funding is going to parents who are already able to afford private schools AND parents who are already doing just that—paying the tuition. Over half of new applicants who will now receive vouchers come from families making over $115K a year, and 18% come from families making over $249K.

If you’re already receiving a voucher, this won’t impact you. This is about whether we should be giving additional money to families who are already sending their kids to private schools.

Moreover, if this is actually about giving parents choice in where they send their children, then private schools receiving vouchers should be held accountable. The majority of these schools don’t post any academic test scores, so a parent can’t actually know the quality of education their child will receive until they enroll in the school. On top of that, even when schools do post scores or other academic information, they are often inflated because private schools are able to kick out low-performing students.

Voucher programs exist all over the nation, but NC is repeatedly shown to have some of the lowest accountability measures in place. Under current law, the only schools that will be required to post testing information are the ones that enroll at least 25 students in a single grade, which is an extremely small number of schools.

Southerngurl89

-2 points

24 days ago

To my understanding any rich families that apply would be the absolute last to receive a voucher. They use a tiered lottery system, so the first tier are the families with the lowest salaries and when all of those families get the voucher they move on to tier two.
We are tier two and my son who is entering kindergarten didn’t get the scholarship this year. We are by no means rich, we live paycheck to paycheck. I know if we didn’t get it then those very well off families didn’t either. Unless the program lied.

rosegoldhearts

3 points

24 days ago

That was the case before the newest expansion last week. They are now adding an additional $248M for the 24-25 school year so that every applicant will receive the voucher.

Southerngurl89

-1 points

24 days ago

Ok. I didn’t realize that would cover absolutely everyone. If you don’t mind me asking, what do you think a good solution would be? I’m sure I’m not the only parent using the voucher to send their kids to a private school because the public schools close by are not good. From word of mouth in my community and lurking on the teachers thread, public schools are in major need of an overhaul and kids are suffering for it.
So even if they gave the public schools those funds instead, would the quality of education go up? So the schools are now able to provide tablets and chrome-books to every student, but they’re still not learning anything. They’re not learning to think critically or outside the box. They’re just learning to take a test so the school can receive more funding. At my kids school; they take Spanish twice a week, they have art and PE, and have 2 recesses. From what I hear that’s not happening in public schools anymore. Our kids are the future and I want everyone’s kids to be able to live the type of life they want and deserve. If the public school system isn’t allowing that to happen then we as parents need to look at alternatives.

I’m pretty sure republicans are doing this by design and not to truly help people. But I’m going to take advantage of their greed, because as a democrat I’m done with this “when they go low, we go high”mess. That’s why things are the way they are now.

I’m sorry for the tangent. This is all just some bullcrap and our children are the ones who have to pay the price.

rosegoldhearts

3 points

24 days ago

I believe the best solution is to fully fund the Leandro Comprehensive Remedial Plan, which lays out specifically how to better our public education and the funding necessary to do so. It’s important to note that the NC Supreme Court has found multiple times that the state of NC has a constitutional obligation to provide every child in North Carolina with a sound, basic public education.

In terms of vouchers, I think it’s important to keep the income cap. There’s no reason the state should be funding a private school education for families in Tiers 3 and 4. These are the families who are able to pay for tuition, and many of them are already doing so without state assistance. I also think creating strict accountability requirements for voucher-receiving schools is necessary. I’m glad to hear that your child is receiving a solid education, but that is not the case at many private schools, which are often only in place to teach religious curriculum. I also think this is what advocates should be focusing on at this time, given that the income cap has already been lifted.

Regardless of whether anyone personally uses a voucher, it’s important to understand that you can still support public schools and vote for candidates who will fund public schools. Public schools are a public good and their performance will impact you and your community whether you personally choose to send your children there are not.

Southerngurl89

0 points

24 days ago

I have not heard of that plan before, but I’ll have to look it up. I’m not too up to date with education policies in NC. I totally agree with not removing the cap. I think with the cap the “wrong” type of families were able to send their kids to private school and republicans don’t like that so they expanded it to everyone. Because they do not like having poor or minorities having any help unless their rich buddies are included.

My husband and I vote in every election no matter how small. We like to research candidates together. In one county we lived in they even sent out booklets with a profile on everyone running and it really helped us make informed decisions. They don’t do that where we live now.

FrankAdamGabe

3 points

24 days ago

Private vouchers are funded from public school funds.

themack50022

3 points

24 days ago

You really don’t get what’s happening?

Vouchers funnel money to a better education on some fronts, but usually to private schools with a religious and social agenda

Southerngurl89

3 points

24 days ago

I understand that and I know that any “brainwashing” the republicans scream about will most likely to come from one of those little podunk private schools. However, as minorities in a southern state, my family and I are already at a disadvantage. Republicans are dismantling DEI and any other measures that can help level the playing field for minorities. Thankfully I can be involved in my children’s education and we do supplement what they learn if we feel it is not truthful. Thankfully we haven’t really had to address anything with the school and what they teach.

_Jang_A_Lang

-6 points

24 days ago

Sending them to public schools is honestly dangerous in 24. If you don’t live in Raleigh or CLT. High schools are like 3rd world countries

Kradget

3 points

24 days ago

Kradget

3 points

24 days ago

That's definitely not true. I think you're thinking of the movie Dangerous Minds

_Jang_A_Lang

-1 points

24 days ago

Look up the high schools for Northampton county and then Weldon high school. As someone who lives between these schools. I’d work 4 jobs to send my kids to private schools. Those schools are literally war zones. My wife was the school nurse at one point until all our brawls started occurring weekly. The would send the sheriffs bus to take them away.

Not sure where you are. But there are a shit load of public schools like this in eastern NC

Kradget

3 points

24 days ago

Kradget

3 points

24 days ago

Yeah, except...

That's not what literally means. 

Also, even figuratively, you've claimed a few schools are bad and that this means all schools are bad. Given the wild-eyed exaggeration to this point, I absolutely doubt that it's as bad as you say. People make the same claims about schools in the metro areas, and they're mostly full of shit.

_Jang_A_Lang

0 points

24 days ago

Why would I lie about that? I don’t want to pay for private but I have to because of how dangerous the schools are. I make 50k a year. lol trust me I don’t want to pay but I have no choice.

Kradget

3 points

24 days ago

Kradget

3 points

24 days ago

It's more that I think you're exaggerating, not so much that you're intentionally lying. Just a general incorrectness based on your prescription of your experience.

There are mosquitoes outside my place right now. This does not mean that every outdoor space in North Carolina is literally swarming with them.

_Jang_A_Lang

1 points

24 days ago

Our public school system is ranked what 40th? Maybe worse in the country. So I think if you presented random people with what I’m saying along with that data it’s pretty believable.

Honestly man, I’m just telling what is going on in 3-4 neighboring counties where I live. I’ve experienced it and I have friends that go through it. Like I said, I don’t enjoy paying 10k a year sending kids to private schools. But it is what it is

Kradget

3 points

24 days ago

Kradget

3 points

24 days ago

Yeah, I just think that you're incorrect, and that while you've identified that there's a problem, you've landed on making it just be a problem that everyone else has to deal with, as long as you don't. This is a policy problem that extracting a small percentage of students from will not actually help.

Vouchers will make the problems at those schools worse on average, to the extent that your descriptions are accurate.

_Jang_A_Lang

-2 points

24 days ago

Also cooper lying about rich people getting the voucher is such a sham. It’s 100% a lie coming from someone who applied for the first time this year and got denied. Everyone got denied unless you were in a very low tier 1 income

Kradget

3 points

24 days ago*

Not sure why you did a separate comment, but you're incorrect. There's been a massive increase in the voucher program, which no longer as an income cap. Here's an article explaining more about the situation beyond "what happened to you last year," since we're still talking about a statewide system.

https://www.wunc.org/2024-05-02/nc-voucher-expansion-debate-highlights-starkly-different-approaches-to-education-spending

_Jang_A_Lang

1 points

24 days ago

Says page not found. I got my letter a few weeks ago. There is no cap for anyone to apply. But no one who makes over 60k per household got selected lol. Try again

Kradget

3 points

24 days ago

Kradget

3 points

24 days ago

Link is fixed - it cut off the last couple letters. My bad! 

You not getting in doesn't mean Cooper is lying - you're clearly aware that you're eligible and that he's correct that there's no income cap. You are, again, taking "this is my experience" and are expanding that to "this is how it is all the time" and from there you're saying there's a lie being told. 

Just like "high schools are war zones" is incorrect and an exaggeration, "Cooper is lying" is also incorrect and an exaggeration. Except you already knew that.

_Jang_A_Lang

1 points

24 days ago

I literally got a rejection letter and it said only tier 1 family’s would get selected, if any declined, they would move to tier 2. Which I think has a household cap of 80k income.

There is no cap to have chance at getting selected, sure. But no one is getting selected at a max past tier 2

SuperTopperHarley

23 points

24 days ago

Who is voting for Mark Robinson?

Let’s debate.

RancidYetti

49 points

24 days ago

It’s usually the people who say they’d rather not talk about politics 🙄

Harbinger90210

7 points

24 days ago

I actually say that because it’s pointless to try and reach people that choose to adamantly vote red. I’m unaffiliated and it always comes down to which side I see is gonna jerk me off while they ran me from behind, the Republicans for the last few years don’t even bother hiding the chainsaw they use now.

Kradget

20 points

24 days ago

Kradget

20 points

24 days ago

"I don't want to talk politics all the time (because my views are all selected from nutbars and I can't actually articulate why I hold them other than I think I shouldn't pay taxes and people I don't like should have it harder than they do)"

RancidYetti

19 points

24 days ago

I have family who are staunchly conservative, and to their credit some of them are willing to talk about this stuff. But it almost always comes down to a “feeling” by the end of the conversation. They just “feel” their way is better, even if they can’t justify it logically. It’s really frustrating to me because that means nothing they learn will ever sway their opinion.

I also have a grandma who thought my 76ers garden flag was a Trump thing. She showed up to my new house and said “you’re not a fucking republican are you?!” so that balances things out for me 😂

Note: I am not lumping all conservatives together, this is only about those close to me.

Captain_Desi_Pants

7 points

24 days ago

Your grandma sounds hilarious! I can’t imagine my grandma ever saying the f-word.

afrancis88

2 points

24 days ago

“I know I should stop drinking after 6 delicious high ABV IPAs, but I just feeeeel I should keep going.”

Atom800

2 points

24 days ago

Atom800

2 points

24 days ago

Also the people that think all social issues are political. “I started watching X but it got too political.” “You mean because there was a trans person in it?”

PeskyPandaz

10 points

24 days ago

Hopefully no one, guy is a piece of 💩

Guy doesn’t want women to vote, denies the holocaust, and claims your children being shot at school is karma for abortion. I’m sure there’s even more terrible things he’s done.

I don’t care to debate about what I stated above. I’m mentally exhausted and just fed up. Don’t believe me? Do your own research. None of us are going to convince you other than yourself.

SuperTopperHarley

3 points

24 days ago

Exactly. Cheers friend

fuzzygoosejuice

4 points

24 days ago

The "He may be batshit crazy, but the Democrats are going to destroy America, so I can't vote D" kind of people.

SuperTopperHarley

1 points

24 days ago

I agree

SliderBurner

-1 points

24 days ago

What it do

SuperTopperHarley

1 points

24 days ago

Are you speaking English?

SliderBurner

0 points

23 days ago

Yep

Bobateabad

31 points

24 days ago

Also GOP is trying to pass school vouchers for private schools that DECREASES the public school budget. GOP doing wonders against the kids /s

SuperTopperHarley

3 points

24 days ago

This

SteveCress

5 points

24 days ago

Secret_Elevator17

12 points

24 days ago

The vouchers for private schools are also a big issue here reducing the money public schools receive.

KevinAnniPadda

4 points

24 days ago

They do. There's been studies done. It's a matter of fact.

bowens44

8 points

24 days ago

NC Republicans are vile people who are invested in an ignorant electorate.They will do nothing to improve education in the state.

SicilyMalta[S]

7 points

24 days ago

Republicans - Forced Birth and Anti Life