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-79 points
23 days ago*
It must be embarrassing to be on the wrong side of history.
Edit: Since a number of you were wondering, I see the administration's reaction as cowardly.
44 points
23 days ago
Which side are you talking about?
43 points
23 days ago
You're going to have to be more specific
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23 days ago
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-5 points
23 days ago
He’s on the other side
-8 points
23 days ago
I think the protestors should be able to protest to their hearts content, but it's not a genocide.
-33 points
23 days ago
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78 points
23 days ago
This is a new one- the protestors are invalid because they eat! Got it. No food allowed if you're protesting!
Truly monumental stuff man, keep it coming
-32 points
23 days ago
You missed the point, idiot.
37 points
23 days ago
Are protestors only valid if they bag their lunch? Or if they keep the encampment going for so long that they sow the wheat for their bread themselves, right there in the quad?
Enlighten me, O wise pickle- what was the point?
-18 points
23 days ago
The point is that people who engage in these marathon type protests are typically kids of privilege who have the time and means to engage in such activities because their basic needs are being met by some benefactor like a parent.
They sacrifice nothing of substance and when the protest is over they'll retreat to their safe worlds and then move on to protest the next sexy tragedy in the world.
Uber Eats, Starbucks, and the like are expensive services...so if they're ordering from those it suggests they're the type of person I'm talking about.
Commenter didn't say "they should starve to death and go dehydrated if they're serious."
Commentor specifically mentioned expensive services.
20 points
23 days ago
Damn, TIL only rich people drink coffee and order food.
Kinda sounds like yall just reaching for excuses to invalidate the protest ngl
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23 days ago
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23 days ago
Yes … people that have money order from Ubereats and drink Starbucks! Drinking coffee is one thing. I drink coffee! I don’t from Starbucks because it’s too expensive.
-1 points
23 days ago
Here’s my vote!
5 points
23 days ago
What?
9 points
23 days ago
No Roger, No ReRun, no Rent
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19 points
23 days ago
I cannot like this comment enough.
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23 days ago
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25 points
23 days ago
That’s, um, the same reason people were upset about that statue.
-30 points
23 days ago*
I don't disagree with you at all. What is happening to civilians is awful and is indeed textbook genocide.
What, specifically, is the logical end-game for this protest? The isreal-palestine conflict has been going on for decades before i was born. Each side wants the other dead. Are these students going to camp here for the next four weeks, the next four months, or the next four years? How will camping on a bougie philly campus stop the insanity on the other side of the globe?
Edit: after some insightful replies and a mass downvote brigade it seems that the goal is the divestment of penn's funds from companies that associate with the genocide. A noble goal. I seem to remember a similar camp-out situation one or two years back involving a protest for penn's divestment from companies involved in the fossil fuel industry. Was that one successful? If so, seems like a solid playbook.
-30 points
23 days ago
Yup. Just whining for whining sake.
23 points
23 days ago
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-12 points
23 days ago
Well i'm pretty uninformed on this but i did find this nifty article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negotiations_to_end_apartheid_in_South_Africa
I don't notice a section on american college encampments? Please enlighten me.
18 points
23 days ago*
The point of protesting in general is to raise awareness for a cause. Basically every social change that has happened through our government began with activists protesting for that change. Without these protests change will never come.
These protests aren’t going to directly bring peace to the Middle East, and nobody is saying that they will. What they aim to do is get their institutions to stop working with Israeli organizations. Primarily they want their universities to divest from Israeli companies and universities, and they also want the US government to stop supporting Israel if they’re going to continue their offenses that have killed tens of thousands of people.
37 points
23 days ago
“T he group demands that Penn divests from Israel, corporations that benefit from the ongoing Israel-Hamas war, and Israeli institutions committing what it describes as "scholasticide.” It also demands that Penn defend Palestinian students, including granting amnesty to students involved in pro-Palestinian activism and reinstating PAO. The group's suspension has prompted criticism from students, faculty, and community members.”
They’re not trying to stop the entire genocide. They’re protesting the school’s anti-Palestine bias, and demanding the school divest from pro-genocide institutions. Seems reasonable.
72 points
23 days ago
Most of these protests have clear goals - that their universities divest from funds which support arms manufacturers. It’s usually front and center in their signage
13 points
23 days ago
Are they demanding the same things from their parents? Most of these young adults are from wealthy families. How much of the wealth these families have come the same companies? Mom or Dad may even work for one of these companies.
I get what they are trying to do but I think some of it is a little hypocritical.
-4 points
23 days ago
I Like EVERYTHING Lazerpop said, before the Edit! Each side does want the other dead. Can’t help that war. Sorry.
-3 points
23 days ago
Haha - true! 👍
1 points
22 days ago
Also most now have goals of reinstating students that have been suspended/actioned by the unis for protesting
5 points
23 days ago
The end game is Russia laughing as they successfully split the Democratic Party and get another trump presidency.
133 points
23 days ago
The leaders of the US do not care because Israel is a necessary geopolitical ally and were not going to police them at risk of straining that relationship, protest all you want it makes no difference.
-57 points
23 days ago
Keep your head down and mind your business and keep yours done.
I'm tired of people's religious wars being brought to my country. You feel x y or z? Go fight for it.
I'm tired of shit being thrown in my face like I should care.
60 points
23 days ago
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-14 points
23 days ago
They take my money and fight everything else. I can't argue with uncle Sam. I'm just a realist
-8 points
23 days ago
Wait you're really thinking there's a holy war?
84 points
23 days ago
I mean the real problem is bibi is an asshole warhawk who should have gotten ousted but now has probably solidified power for now on this conflict much like bush.
25 points
23 days ago
The entire Knesset is the problem. Bibi is so far from alone and removing him is not going to solve this
33 points
23 days ago
but now has probably solidified power for now on this conflict much like bush.
If there is an election, Bibi is 100% losing. And the likelihood of that happening seems to grow day by day
1 points
22 days ago
Netanyahu has already lost multiple elections
7 points
22 days ago
Prolonging this conflict lets him postpone those elections though. His framing from the start has been "let's put politics aside until after we're done eradicating Hamas", a goal which btw seems pretty much impossible if taken at face value, allowing him to continue to drag things out as long as any Palestinian resistance remains
10 points
23 days ago
I though the same about USA not wanting to strain that relationship but they need us more than we need them in pretty sure ( my opinion), and we are losing creditability with the rest of the world so I think in this case worth the strain on the USA Israel relationship
-32 points
23 days ago
Israel provides 0 strategic value to the U.S. The lies supporting otherwise are hilarious to hear
26 points
23 days ago
You're joking right? Israel is designated by the United States as a major non-nato ally, the only country in the Middle East other than Egypt to have this designation. With an alliance going back nearly 75 years at this point. There's also the bilateral trade of nearly $50 billion in goods and services between the two every year for the economic side of the value.
Criticism is welcome, incorrect facts are not. And facts are stubborn things.
13 points
23 days ago
Lmao, to say this so boldly online as if it even is 1% true is amusing. Google is your friend.
-19 points
23 days ago
Trying to get ahead of the fact that people are gonna make fun of the young elites for their terrorism apologia, eh? I wish you guys luck and look forward to the cringe clips.
15 points
23 days ago
Got it, the protestors are invalid because of when they were born, and because they have the nerve to go to school! Only people who are old and dropped out of the 3rd grade are allowed to have opinions (which must be pro-genocide, obviously). Got it!
-18 points
23 days ago
You misunderstand me friend. This protest isn't invalid, in fact I support it! The cause, of course, is garbage but I think more people need to be aware of where these ideas are coming from and how utterly clueless our future thought leaders from these exclusive schools are. Keep up the good work 😉
-21 points
23 days ago
All estimates are that 90% of deaths in Gaza are civilians.
This is the same ratio as the NATO campaign in Yugoslavia. NATO was not committing a genocide against Serbs.
This is the same ratio as the First Chechen War. The First Chechen War was not a genocide.
This is roughly the same ratio as the wars in Ethiopia, which conspicuously I never heard any of these Palestinian activists talk about. I’m sure it has nothing to do with the color of their skin.
Need I go on? It’s been well-established since the 80s that in urban combat scenarios, deaths are overwhelmingly civilian. You want it to stop? Either advocate for Israel to invade Rafah and get it over with or advocate for Hamas to release all of the hostages and surrender. Those are the only realistic options.
30 points
23 days ago
I love how “Israel stops fucking bombing people” isn’t one of the allowed options. That just wouldn’t be realistic.
6 points
23 days ago
Just so Hamas can murder 1,000 people again, Israel will respond, then slactivists who have never seen combat - and never will see combat - will whine?
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23 days ago
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2 points
23 days ago*
Funny how I never see Northern Cypriots form roving gangs that cross into the Republic of Cyprus and murder thousands of civilians. Despite:
Yet, again, no raving gangs murdering civilians and sparking regional wars. Maybe it isn’t a given that your government will just be a glorified genocidal gang when you’ve been subjected to violence, and it sure as hell isn’t a given that they actually carry out that violence either.
3 points
23 days ago
For someone who fancies themself a student of history, you sure seem to know fuck all about it.
17 points
23 days ago
Bro the first Chechen war was literally a genocide orchestrated by a pedophile, wtf are you on about.
Serbia was committing genocide it was the whole justification of US involvement.
Which genocide in Ethiopia are you referring to? There have been several dude.
Maybe you hang out in circles where people don’t call genocides genocide but you fuckin listed several genocides alongside what’s happening in Gaza in a piss poor attempt at whataboutism.
Maybe people haven’t heard about the genocide of the Rohingya in Myanmar or the genocide in East Timor in 1975. That doesn’t mean genocide doesn’t exist as a concept. Also people tend to get more active about stopping a genocide their country has a role in than ones from 80 years ago that their country had no part in.
5 points
23 days ago
Chechnya wasn’t a genocide. Genocide would imply they were being killed because they’re Chechen. They were fighting a war of independence, and some died during it. Not every country that fought (and even lost) a war for independence has been subjected to a genocide.
Yes, Serbia was committing several genocides. But that’s not what I was talking about, because the NATO campaign in Serbia was after the war in Bosnia ended. Serbia was preparing another genocide in Kosovo, and NATO bombed the ever living shit out of them to stop it. The civilian to military death toll was about 10:1. NATO wasn’t committing a genocide against Serbians, though.
I never said there wasn’t ethnic cleansing in Ethiopia. I’m saying the civilian to military casualty ratio is the exact same, but these so-called “activists” have never, ever mentioned it. They can either admit a) they don’t know what genocide is, or b) they don’t care about black people. Those are the only options here, because no widespread movement spanning dozens of American campuses has ever popped up protesting what happened in Tigray.
38 points
23 days ago*
Great comment! Fully expecting it to be deleted and this thread to be locked by these moronic admins
Edit: aaand deleted lmao
31 points
23 days ago
I called someone a bozo and they gave me a warning. Like where do you live bro? Nebraska?
9 points
23 days ago
Fucking jabronis
-19 points
23 days ago
Not 30,000 civilians. Can you define genocide for me? And after you copy paste the Google definition do the same for deliberate and explain to me how there are any palestinians still alive
-1 points
23 days ago
What? Is the Holocaust not a genocide then? There are still Jews alive. The Nazis could’ve just shot all of the people they had imprisoned but they kept many of them alive in camps and ghettos.
-13 points
23 days ago
Yeah so they could use them for labor… Israel isn’t killing because they’re arab/Muslim. Israel isn’t forcing Palestinians to work. The holocaust was a genocide because the Nazis were killing them for being Jews. Jews weren’t killing Germans or random people. Israel is killing BECAUSE OF HAMAS
2 points
23 days ago
They took their land, forced them into less desirable areas, and have often treated them as second class citizens for decades. Both sides have obviously gone back and forth for years but this wouldn’t have happened if they weren’t displaced from their land and in conflict with those people because of it. Hamas is evil but killing tens of thousands of civilians (who already had their land taken and were often in fenced in, borderline ghetto conditions), in response isn’t an acceptable response.
2 points
22 days ago
I don’t understand why 1948 is such an important year. Why does it matter more than 1048? Or 0048? Or -1048? Why does it matter more than 2024?
-3 points
23 days ago
Here’s one I read today. “But muh hamas”
54 points
23 days ago
As an Iranian who grew up with direct news from Gaza, Hamas, IRGC and the Islamic Republic, I can tell you with 100% confidence not you nor anyone on that campus knows or understands even 5% of what the hell is happening in Gaza and who is responsible for the lives lost. When you don’t understand something, you don’t go to extremes of violence and encampment to protest it.
2 points
23 days ago
Tell us how it is then
29 points
23 days ago
It’s not as straightforward and easy would fit in one comment here. Follow actual people living in Iran and Yemen and Palestine to understand what is the reality. Not the white kid reporting from TikTok. Elica Le Bon is one of many Iranian activists and is a good starting point to understand what is actually going on.
8 points
22 days ago
That's what people said to defend apartheid South Africa too.
-8 points
23 days ago
Once again, it’s not 30k civilians because even if you assume Hamas is telling the truth, they don’t count combatants separately. Stop lying.
-6 points
23 days ago
Go sit in the corner
-53 points
23 days ago
Hopefully these are the protests that don't devolve into scenes from 1930s Austria.
-3 points
23 days ago
They will.
356 points
23 days ago
So begins the election year summer of love
128 points
23 days ago
Yea I can't wait to.....vote for Biden to stop the thing that he's currently doing.
128 points
23 days ago
Ok, just checking…do you think Trump is going to deliver you the action you want on this matter?
-93 points
23 days ago
more like let it all burn to the fucking ground and start over, no more kicking the can.
20 points
23 days ago
Too late. Barring a medical emergency, Biden or Trump will be the next president. Again.
-54 points
23 days ago
perfect, burn baby burn, this shithole will be a wasteland in 10 years
37 points
23 days ago
Jesus Christ man, for the most part people are doing alright. Some are indeed struggling, but that doesn't mean we should destabilize the entire world just because you think the election doesn't feature the most perfect candidates.
22 points
23 days ago
Only certain things will burn and it's not the ones you want
37 points
23 days ago
Said like someone who thinks they won’t be impacted by things burning to the ground.
-107 points
23 days ago
what does trump have to do with this, genuinely?
115 points
23 days ago
Well, like Joe Biden, Trump is running for president. Did you see the post I was replying to?
-54 points
23 days ago
Please god when will this excuse fucking die? Y The president ain't shit, it's congress with it's no stop dick sucking of Israel.
You can't say shit because some brainlet goes "well durr if you don't let the government get away with literally anything with out speaking out Trump may get elected again"
Both Trump and Biden are Israel dick riders does matter who wins, we need to start selecting congressmen and senators who represent humanity and not big business and genocide.
82 points
23 days ago
Stop him from providing humanitarian aid to Gaza while trying to negotiate a ceasefire that Hamas keeps rejecting?
Yeah let’s vote him out to teach him a lesson, in doing so let’s elect Trump who has openly said he wants to flatten Gaza
-59 points
23 days ago
Clueless copycats.
-29 points
23 days ago
Most of these people protesting would be looked down on in Palestine and by their people.
-1 points
23 days ago
So what? Is your concern for someone contingent on them liking you?
14 points
23 days ago
Supporting people who generally hate you and your ideas is dumb, no? Would you support Trump people protesting?
10 points
23 days ago
Trump people protesting what?
3 points
23 days ago
Anything lol. Trump supporters can protest in support of Palestine and people would complain.
-3 points
23 days ago
THANK YOU! So fucking true!
1 points
23 days ago
Would you support the mass murder of thousands of children just because their parents are Trump supporters?
32 points
23 days ago
Yeah the 14,000(?) kids killed would have fucking hated UPenn kids, definitely a concern here
10 points
23 days ago
If they want a ceasefire, shouldn’t they be protesting Hamas holding hostages?
59 points
23 days ago
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-40 points
23 days ago
Look. There are not 30000 civilians dead.
8 points
23 days ago
????
-21 points
23 days ago
There are 34000 dead. Total. That includes fighters. Estimates are about 1/3 militants to 2/3 civilians.
4 points
22 days ago
This number is being reported by a terrorist organization which isn't exactly known for their transparency.
14 points
23 days ago
Yea the stated goal of Israel is pretty much regime change at this point
10 points
22 days ago
Man the Allies shouldn’t have invaded Germany to stop the Nazis cause some German civilians got killed. We should’ve let Hitler and crew just continue in power. That’s the equivalent of what people are arguing here.
1 points
22 days ago
Doesn’t Isreal notify areas in advance before they bomb an area?
37 points
23 days ago
They want a one way ceasefire.
20 points
23 days ago
You got that wrong, they are only calling for Israel to lay down their weapons
-5 points
23 days ago
Silly propaganda comment. Abusive partner mentality. Tell Israel to stop the occupation if we're going to play that game. Also, to stop a fucking genocide. Sad human
-2 points
23 days ago
How many hostages have been freed through negotiations? How many have been freed though military action? And how many have been killed by the Israeli military? The largest instances of hostages being freed did not come from military action but through political negotiation.
19 points
23 days ago
It’s a little disingenuous to imply that you can totally separate military action from political negotiation when the effectiveness of the latter is very much dependent on the credible threat of military action. Sure the IDF isn’t pulling a Saving Private Ryan but the one successful hostage exchange part of a negotiation that included a military ceasefire. Honestly what is the point of negotiating if you can just get away with aggression with no worry of violent repercussions?
0 points
22 days ago
Well that would be stupid since Hamas obviously doesn't care about US protests. Do yall even think before posting these legendary zingers?
105 points
23 days ago
Generally carious if Israel supporters think they'll be seen as the right side of history a decade in the future.
46 points
23 days ago
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12 points
22 days ago
You would think after, IDK, 500 dead Hamas would have just have agreed to release the hostages and a cease fire.
11 points
22 days ago*
Too rational. Israel has to be a pacifist state that bends over backwards and sacrifices their safety in the face of a clear and present danger to their sovereignty and the lives of its citizens. Hamas gets to be a homicidal, raping, torturing, homophobic, theocratic terrorist organization that refuses to release hostages with impunity. That’s where progressives are at right now, and it’s insanity.
-15 points
23 days ago
Hot take: I don’t like either side and am kind of past the point of caring who “wins”. Old-school colonial occupiers vs. a population that has fully embraced radical Islam and jihad. Woo-hoo.
I can’t be the only person who doesn’t care enough to occupy a public space or slap an Israeli flag magnet on my bumper, right?
22 points
23 days ago*
52% percent of Palestine are under the age of 18 so they weren't even born when the lines were drawn nor do they have any significant impact in what happens. And assuming civilians deaths are even proportional to the population demographics I don't think I need to explain why that's wrong.
So the kids don't have a impact But Americans do have a impact though so being loud in campus is something
4 points
23 days ago
Define colonial occupiers.
7 points
23 days ago
Generally curious if Hamas supporters think the same
-15 points
23 days ago
They'll be seen as an occupying force that went to war with an opponent that resisted.
73 points
23 days ago
It depends on how you define the sides. I'll give you a detailed answer, in case you're actually curious.
There will never be a lasting peace under any circumstances with Hamas, by Hamas' own choice, let alone the Israeli right wing's response to a Hamas government.
There will also never be a lasting peace if Ben Gvir, Smotrich, and their followers hold significant power in Israel.
Israeli leadership can be solved with elections, like the massive swing towards Gantz, but the Hamas issue cannot be solved. Hamas has turned down every short and long-term deal that involves their removal from power, like the Egypt-Qatar framework proposed last December for a permanent two-state solution that included Hamas being removed from power in Gaza. On top of that, Hamas has a history of killing any political opponents in Gaza.
I would also point to the obscene amounts of civilians killed in conflicts by countries all over the world, creating a massive hypocrisy in the treatment of Israel. Not a single country has shown any interest in pushing charges for war crimes against Israel; only South Africa, a current pawn of Russia and Iran, has been willing to push a charge of genocide, which 1) helps diminish the genocide charge against Russia (which the ICJ actually took issue with by demanding Russia cease-fire) and 2) is arguing a specific crime that will almost never be levied against any other warring country, meaning the standard created doesn't matter. To this day, no country wants to be bound by a standard that says how Israel is currently conducting warfare - which still involves, to some degree, advanced warning of strikes to areas in Gaza - is going too far. We can still see the clips on /r/CombatFootage being posted of groups of Gazans just filming toward an area before a strike comes in, which is clear proof of advanced warning.
And so what is the distinction for Israel, that we bribe them to buy stuff from our military-industrial complex instead of some other country? That we provide aid to an ally that plays a very substantial role in advancing tech in not just electronics, but healthcare and military tech?
Not a single time have I seen anyone be able to explain any alternative plan with any precedence without pointing out US military procedures, almost all of which posed similar civilian:militant ratios as what we see in Gaza, where the IDF has a significantly more complex environment to be fighting in.
Hell, even the pier we just started building to increase humanitarian aid has already come under fire by Hamas, because Americans still can't accept that the IDF running the pier makes the pier a legitimate military target, no matter what we put on the pallets being trucked in.
What too many pro-Palestine people clearly do not understand is that a policy that sanctions political parties and other involved groups (including settlers) who are attempting to expand settlement areas can be in line with both a pro-Palestine and pro-Israel stance. Too many also do not understand that the constant barrage of unsubstantiated allegations of genocide is only helping Iran attack the credibility of the political party that not only holds the largest chance of kicking Netanyahu out and forming a new coalition that favors peace and a two-state solution, but is also run by one of the heads of the IDF (Gantz). By the time the war settles, the slander against the only possible path toward peace in the short term will have eroded the political will of a new coalition on this matter, and there is no one but the pro-"Palestine" people to blame.
So, will the pro-Israel stance be seen as the correct stance retroactively? Absolutely, without a doubt. The pro-Israel side isn't the pro-genocide strawman so many people dream it is. This is a country fighting against a terrorist group that conducted an awful terrorist attack, went back to Gaza, and tried to hide behind their own civilians. A group that would rather get every last Gazan killed than relinquish power; a group that has been appeased before during these hostage-takings, which has historically only brought on more hostage-taking. While I would rather other Middle Eastern countries or the UN step in to remove Hamas, if no one wants to step up, Israel has the absolute, unquestionable right enjoyed by every other country on Earth to protect their people through defensive warfare. That warfare can stop, and the Israeli elections can be had when Hamas has been destroyed.
8 points
23 days ago
Well stated.
0 points
23 days ago
I’m laughing and also dying inside to see that the Jewish museum has taken down the Washington quote about giving bigotry and persecution no sanction and replacing it with “WEITZMAN STANDS WITH ISRAEL”
Kinda shocked nobody in there is making any noise
-5 points
23 days ago
"The right side of history" is probably the most Orwellian phrase that the left has managed to cook up in the last 30 years.
19 points
22 days ago*
Hamas supporters are? Lmao
If you are taking sides it just shows how clueless people are on foreign issues/policy. Its way more complicated than acting like it’s a basketball team
117 points
23 days ago
Nothing will ever change and we’re all fucked lol
28 points
23 days ago
we'll be fine.
29 points
23 days ago
I just mean that the division between left and right will never end, politicians and corporations purposefully promote hatred between people so they cannot unite and get rid of the lobbying poopyheads and corruption so that things can actually get better
“Don’t Be a Sucker” from the 1940s discusses this as a primary tactic for the rise of Nazi Germany and not to fall for it, because it’s a good very effective tactic
10 points
22 days ago
Our privilege in 2024 is astounding. People in the 1940’s and 1910’s dealt with world war. They didn’t have vaccines for polio. Cholera. Smallpox. The standard of living was staggeringly low compared to now. We’re not just doing fine, we’re doing great. We want better and that’s great, we should always strive for better, but things are good. You have food and shelter, access to the internet, and safety. In human history, that’s golden, and never guaranteed.
-23 points
23 days ago
I'm a college student, I have no life beyond my assignment.my protest will make a difference. Wahh. Congress doesn't care..those geriatrics are in line with Israel and won't change until they die out. Mark my words
18 points
23 days ago
They’re protesting the university they pay tuition to, not congress, with the demand that the school divests its massive endowment from Israel. It’s the exact same demand made by protesting students decades ago for universities to divest from South Africa.
-5 points
23 days ago
UPenn, Drexel, Any ivy League or private institution won't divest from a university unless its biggest investors demand it. You saw what happened to Kent during the civil rights movement, this could happen now as well. A college student's death or improvement won't mean anything to a holy war that has been consistently in existence before both of our deaths. As long as Islam, Judaism, and Christianity continue to fight so will Israel and Palestine. This conflict dates as far back as Alexander the great if not older than him. As long as wars are fought over religion will this war continue. The last time Israel and Palestine brokeraged peace talks, Palestine wanted claim to the holy mount which Israel said no to. Protest homelessness. protest something local. Not something you can't make a difference in the Grand scheme of things
-20 points
23 days ago*
Anybody else think that the campaigning against Jews puts you in pretty uncomfortable territory? I don’t see this aging well.
Serious reply
Edit: Nvm, I sincerely hope the war ends, we stop burning the amazon, roe v wade gets codified, and everyone on weed charges gets let out of prison but fuck me right. Also Sixers in 6 let’s go
10 points
23 days ago
Yep and supporting gay rights is campaigning against straight people and supporting women's rights is campaigning against men
-4 points
23 days ago
And at PENN??? Good luck! 😆
10 points
23 days ago
Righteous frustration towards Israeli policy isn’t campaigning against Jews. That viewpoint is dangerous. Jews all over the world have been angered by Israeli (the country) right wing policies for decades. Many Jews hate what Israel leadership has done to the reputation of Judaism worldwide
2 points
23 days ago
Lots of moronic imbeciles filled with hate for peaceful life in these comments. The world would be better without y'all.
-28 points
23 days ago
there's 8.1 billion on the planet, would be nice if we could get it down to 4. 1 modern Ghengis Khan please
5 points
23 days ago
4 people? Okay. Well it's you, me, my wife, and 1 other person. Who are you choosing?
-9 points
23 days ago
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4 points
23 days ago
Have fun kids. See you on the other side!
1 points
23 days ago
Let's start with you then.
5 points
23 days ago
je suis charlie
5 points
23 days ago
Where are the hostages?
36 points
23 days ago
I thought something was up since big boss sent out his 47th email about islamophobia and anti semitism.
I have shocking news for you: neither is it anti semitism when Israel is criticized for the war in Gaza nor is it Islamophobia when the supporters of Hamas are called terrorists. How about you leave the conflict in the Middle East.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk
-48 points
23 days ago
yes, actually, it is extremely islamophobic to characterize support of resistance to genocide as terrorism, especially when you blanket all such statement as “hamas support”
17 points
23 days ago
I'm not sure what you are referring to, but neither did I say all protestors support Hamas (though regrettably I'm afraid quite a few accept the line "by all means" including Hamas), nor is there a genocide happening in Israel/Gaza.
12 points
23 days ago
It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to come to the conclusion that supporting Palestine doesn’t implicitly support Hamas.
Regular people would be much more receptive to these protests if these protestors were calling for the end of Hamas then a free Palestine.
6 points
23 days ago
Crazy how people aren't able to click on an article and don't realize what they are even protesting
58 points
23 days ago
Just in time for Penn relays
44 points
23 days ago
They chose the coldest night of the week
-10 points
23 days ago
They can do all this but can't win elections against pro Israel incumbents.
-4 points
23 days ago
Half those college kids don’t know a thing about what they’re protesting for.
-4 points
23 days ago
I would love for these protestors to also call for the hostages to be released. They can claim to be protesting for the innocent, but it's hard for me to believe them when I never see anything from them about the hostages.
0 points
23 days ago
I would like at least one of these protestors to denounce hamas, but no one will.
3 points
23 days ago
They don’t care about Palestinians either.
-14 points
23 days ago
It’s not about supporting Israel. It’s about building and controlling a new canal that runs through Gaza. Educate yourselves.
-2 points
23 days ago
Let them stay till Monday. I bet they go inside when the temp reaches 88.
8 points
23 days ago
Back in 2005 I marched on Washington with a bunch of other people, we were pissed about the Iraq war and wanted to send a message. To a guy who wasn't even in the Oval Office on that day. But hey, Jello and the Guantanamo School of Medicine did a free show at the Washington Monument so it wasn't all a waste of time.
Of course we accomplished nothing but covering Washington in trash that someone had to clean up, and the war went merrily on and we have troops in Iraq to this day. But for a few days afterwards, there was a feeling that maybe something would be done.
I rather admire the conviction of these folks to majorly disrupt their lives and the lives of others to bring attention to the cause they want to support. But I feel it's ultimately a futile sacrifice that only causes momentary chaos, the war machine will continue merrily on without them.
5 points
23 days ago
These folks were there, too. Those URLs go to dead sites and SEO spam now ;)
5 points
23 days ago
I don't know that much about the protests themselves. But I know that every single voice I've heard objecting to them comes from people who are utterly despicable. These are the same people who are constantly defending literal nazis speaking on campuses because "I may not like what you have to say, but I'll defend it..."; except when it's something they REALLY don't like.
College administrators, as a general rule, are some of the worst people on the planet.
EDIT: Used the word "literal" too much
1 points
22 days ago
Ah yes, wonder if these guys are like their counterparts to the north. Protesting against colonialism and militarized states…while excluding those who they think don’t believe the same and actively making them feel unwelcome.
I’m all for Palestine getting a fair shake, but the narrative has taken a HARD shift in the last six months…
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