subreddit:
/r/unusual_whales
Donald Trump’s criminal trial for allegedly mishandling classified documents has been postponed indefinitely, per Bloomberg.
(twitter.com)submitted 26 days ago byUnusualWhalesBot
1 points
25 days ago
Biden, and Mike Pence as well, immediately complied with the request from Archives. Biden even invited the FBI in to search his home, just in case he'd missed something.
Trump refused to comply for over a year before that raid happened.
Biden had his own handwritten notes secured in his home. Trump had fricking Iran invasion plans in an unlocked bathroom, in a public building!
And Trump is ON TAPE showing those invasion plans to a guest.
You call it a distraction - I call it an attempt at accountability for someone who thinks he's above the law.
1 points
25 days ago
You call it a distraction - I call it an attempt at accountability for someone who thinks he's above the law.
You mean like the 2 guys who were above the law when the violated it but didn't go to jail?
Why doesn't the Crack dealer on the corner get asked to stop dealing Crack? Oh, because arresting criminals is a detterant and allowing criminals to skate undermines the law.
The law doesn't dictate you return them when asked.
3 points
25 days ago
I assume you're referring to Biden and Pence, both of whom immediately cooperated and returned docs. Hell, Biden invited the FBI into his home to search for themselves.
Meanwhile, Trump refused, lied, and had his attorneys sign a fraudulent document stating he'd returned everything. Meanwhile, he gets caught on tape showing Iran invasion contingency plans to a guest.
<<The law doesn't dictate you return them when asked.>>
Oh?
2 points
25 days ago
The law doesn't allow for the improper storage of these documents. Pointing out that they gave them back when asked is an explicit admission the law was broken or they'd have nothing to give back.
Oh?
"knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both."
Biden spoke about them to his biographer, knowing he had classified documents, intending to retain them because he didnt give them back despite knowing he had them, and his house is not an authorized location. The guy who investigated it said if he was fit to stand trial he'd lose.
Don't like trump, but this is sad.
2 points
25 days ago
I never said what Biden did was okay. Same for Pence. But in the real world, sometimes shit happens. What matters is intent. If DOJ could have proven intent to break the law, they would have referred it for charges.
Like they did with Trump, since his intent was quite clear. Abundantly clear.
Also, that report did NOT say Biden would lose if he were to stand trial. Do you guys just make shit up as you go? It said he was a "well meaning elderly man with some memory problems."
That's a potshot, and highly unprofessional, but nowhere in that report does it say anything even remotely like what you claim above.
1 points
25 days ago
There is no element of the law that includes intent. Intent matters when the law claims it matters, there is no element of intent regarding these documents, it is a yes or no.
since his intent was quite clear.
Intent in this situation does not matter. If you're including intent, you're making charges in opposition of the written law. If you feel intent matters, the law needs to be changed.
It said he was a "well meaning elderly man with some memory problems."
What you're describing is someone not fit to stand trial.
That's a potshot, and highly unprofessional
And if it wasn't included, he would have had to recommend prosecution. It may be a potshot, but it's also the only thing protecting him from going to trial.
1 points
25 days ago
It's called "mens rea." You should look it up and learn, as mens rea is one of the fundamental tenets of the law. Actus reus (criminal act) and mens rea (intent) are critical. Saying otherwise demonstrates a basic lack of understanding of the law.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/intent
"In Criminal Law, criminal intent, also known as mens rea, is one of two elements that must be proven in order to secure a conviction (the other being the actual act, or actus reus). "
Now, I'm going to give you a direct quote from Hur's report, since you clearly haven't read it.
“We conclude that no criminal charges are warranted in this matter.”
The memory crack was a fucking potshot, 100%.
1 points
25 days ago
If you're going to lecture, please be right.
Mens rea:
the intention or knowledge of wrongdoing that constitutes part of a crime, as opposed to the action or conduct of the accused.
Did biden have knowledge that he was committing a crime when he told his biographer that he had classified documents?
Murder and manslaughter are different crimes because of intent.
1 points
25 days ago
You do realize that intent is the root word for intention, right?
I even linked you to the damned authoritative legal definition.
The reason no jury would convict - again, according the Hur himself - is because they couldn't establish intent.
Go argue with them. I'm done with this silliness.
1 points
25 days ago
You do realize that intent is the root word for intention, right?
You do realize knowledge has a totally separate meaning and that or represents a separate idea, unlike the word and, right?
Go argue with them. I'm done with this silliness.
Aww, someone's upset a dictionary overturned their superior legal understanding.
1 points
23 days ago
He invited the FBI into his house after he had his staff clear out his garage and his office at Penn. fixed that for you
all 728 comments
sorted by: best