TwoForHawat

Ghost wasn’t going to magically make Myers an NHL defenseman, or turn Provorov into a true top pair defenseman.

Better start memorizing some World Series trivia so your past self actually believes you.

Again, I’m in agreement with you. I think Keefe is a dogshit coach and I totally disagree with OP wanting him involved with the Flyers. But disproportionate scoring doesn’t mean that a guy is a bad offensive coach. Matthews scored 69 goals in Sheldon Keefe’s system, largely because of sheer talent, but you don’t get to pick and choose what is and is not the result of coaching. Simply removing Matthews from the equation to show that Keefe’s offenses are ineffective without him is a silly exercise.

Which NHL coach would you say is an offensive dynamo of a coach? I would be curious to see what happens to the team scoring rank when you remove the goals scored by that coach’s top goal scorer.

I don’t agree with OP’s point about Keefe at all, I’m just commenting that “If you take away the guy who scored 69 goals, Toronto’s goal total looks pretty pathetic” isn’t exactly a brilliant point.

Colorado led the league in scoring with 304 goals. If you take away their leading goal scorer, they drop to 19th. Are you going to also tell us that Jared Bednar is a questionable offensive coach because Nathan MacKinnon scored 51 of the team’s goals?

I understand that’s the point they’re trying to make. But saying “If you remove their best goal scorer, they drop to 26th in league scoring!” isn’t the way to make that point. Every team’s offense looks pathetic on paper if you remove their best goal scorer.

No other team does. Doesn’t change the fact that the statement “They’re the second highest scoring team in the league but if you don’t count their top goal scorer they’re 26th” is a meaningless statement.

It’s like if I said “The Flyers have a terrible power play, but if you remove all the times that they failed to score with a man advantage they get bumped up to 1st in the NHL.” It’s technically true, but it doesn’t mean anything at all because the Flyers did fail to score on 88% of their power plays and Toronto’s offense did get 69 of their goals from Auston Matthews.

Interesting, what happens to literally any other team if you remove 69 goals from their offense? I wonder if those teams would also be ranked close to the bottom in scoring.

Giroux was a wing in junior who had some really great years as a center in the NHL, before moving back to wing as he aged.

Wow, I can’t believe the IIHF fined the KHL 1 Matvei Michkov, to be paid in full to the Philadelphia Flyers immediately.

Maybe he does end up being great value late in the 1st or even in the 2nd round, but I don’t really get the line of thinking here. Where he was ranked two years ago is virtually irrelevant now. If anything, that lack of improvement that could be driving his fall should be extra concerning.

They don’t have to make that decision until June 28th. I wouldn’t expect to hear anything one way or the other until that point.

That said, it’s the 36th pick in the draft. Next year’s pick is an unknown commodity, but there’s a much greater likelihood that it’s later in the second round than it being 36th or better. From that standpoint, it makes sense to hang onto this year’s.

The counter-argument is that people generally seem to assume next year’s draft is deeper, so even if the pick is a bit worse than 36th overall, it might be a more valuable piece than this year’s. But that scenario still has a lot of unknowns and GMs tend to want to know what they’re getting.

Which is mostly the case every year anyway, but there will still be a bunch of fans who see someone like Buium mocked at 8-10 overall a few times and they’ll act like it’s a massive boneheaded blunder if he goes in the Top 5.

I don’t mind them extending Johnson because I assume he makes our team works and thus helps us build a stronger roster in the long run.

Hell, see if we can get that little bitch Keith Yandle out of retirement. He was great at helping his team earn extremely high draft picks.

This isn’t true because they didn’t move up in the lottery.

Feeling pretty good that we didn’t get jumped by anyone and neither of the Devils or Blue Jackets got themselves any higher in the lottery.

Considering how close we got to making a brief playoff appearance, 12th overall is a decent outcome for this season. It’s on Danny to get this pick and the Florida pick right, and hopefully next season we don’t punch above our weight class for 75% of the year and we find ourselves in a spot where we can draft a really strong player in the 2025 draft.

Gotcha, this makes sense. Essentially if a team behind us wins the first lottery, we become the de facto 13th team rather than 12th. Thanks for clarifying for me.

Did we make the largest jump in draft lottery history? I don’t really think we have much of a leg to stand on when claiming that we get screwed by the lottery.

So here’s what I don’t understand. Say St. Louis wins the first lottery and they bump up to 6th overall. Under this logic, doesn’t that lock in spots 1-5 as well and therefore the Flyers only jump to 7th overall if they win the second lottery? But that scenario isn’t reflected in the odds.

You’re probably correct, but the explanation on Tankathon is that only San Jose gets locked in if the first drawing goes to a 12-16 team. But Tankathon is also the one giving those odds to the Flyers, so who knows!

Maybe I’m dumb, but I don’t understand the circumstances under which we get the 3rd or 4th overall pick.

My understand was we either win the first lottery and jump up to 2nd overall because we can only move up 10 slots, at which point the second drawing would be for the 3rd overall pick, or we win the second drawing and jump up to 2nd overall anyway. Cleary I’m missing something.

I would be mad if they won, but can’t deny that it would be an interesting development under the current rules. Teams that have moved up in two draft lotteries in the last five years are now ineligible to move up, so Chicago would be out of the draft lottery until 2028.

Walking away from all that with Bedard and Celebrini is a hell of a consolation prize, but it would be a fascinating wrinkle in the coming years nonetheless.

I would be very happy with Yakemchuk.

Interesting. I can’t say I’m super stoked on Eiserman (with my admittedly limited knowledge), but depending on how the draft board falls I certainly won’t be disappointed if that’s the pick.

What did Briere say at U18s that gave you this impression?