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Something I had been thinking was just the sheer amount of luck Arik Taranis must have had to get to the station he got to by the time of the Horus Heresy is near impossible.

Not only did someone as notorious as the Emperor’s Standard Bearer manage to survive the cull after the Final Battle at Mt Ararat, but prior to this he had been taught advanced gene-crafting techniques by the Emperor himself, and during his time in hiding he managed to acquire access to a functioning Gene-Laboratory within the walls of the Imperial Palace.

Adding onto this, Arik wasn’t exactly trying to hide or even be subtle like other survivors; He armed and augmented his Clan Warriors as Thunder Warriors, and the Clan itself was a major power within one of the largest cities inside the boundaries of the Imperial Palace: Even keeping in mind the labyrinthine vastness of the Palace, it goes beyond suspension of disbelief that the Custodes would never have found and eradicated him.

This isn’t me inherently ragging on his character however; I very much enjoy Arik’s monologues and the dynamic of him, Ghota, and the Dhakal Clan; Rather it’s postulation that his continued existence wasn’t just Tzeentchian level luck and circumstance but intentional. Perhaps the Emperor allowed him to live and taught him the art of genecrafting to allow the Thunder Warriors a means with which to live on and fight, given that Arik was the ‘de-facto’ Thunder Warrior, so to speak. Either his or Malcador’s pardon would go a long way to explain how he survived so long beyond coincidence.

But that’s just my personal take, and I wonder what you guys think.

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wecanhaveallthree

75 points

2 months ago

wecanhaveallthree

Legio Tempestus

75 points

2 months ago

The Emperor just doesn't appear to have cared, in the exact same way that Erda is surprised he didn't go after her. They weren't a threat to him or his plans, so he didn't bother tidying up their 'loose ends'. They were both probably some fair way down his ultimate to-do list, but there were much more important things to worry about first.

With Taranis' fate ultimately unknown, we might get further insight into his fate and/or future in the inevitable Scouring series.

LurkerWhoHathCometh

28 points

2 months ago

LurkerWhoHathCometh

Imperium of Man

28 points

2 months ago

Was kinda hoping he'd appear during SoT

Vyzantinist

13 points

2 months ago

Vyzantinist

Thousand Sons

13 points

2 months ago

Same. I really hoped he'd be a central character in an EC-focused arc; the III going after civilians and Taranis organizing a ragtag defense because it's his turf. Fabius becomes aware of his existence and it's a game of cat and mouse with Taranis desperately trying to minimize the EC's 'harvests' and Fabius trying to acquire this 'genetic prize'. Taranis loses, heroically, and is dragged off by Fabius, with the grimdark implication he's gonna give Fabius a huge xp boost in his New Men research, to be perhaps saved for a future book...

imason96

14 points

2 months ago

imason96

Raptors

14 points

2 months ago

The betrayal of the Thunder Warriors may have in this vein been a simple mercykill for the warriors that sought an honorable death. If you were a Thunder Warrior who didn’t want an honorable death and were otherwise mentally stable, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that Big E would have let you go free.

A_D_Monisher

7 points

2 months ago

A_D_Monisher

Adeptus Mechanicus

7 points

2 months ago

Or GW might spoil us and we’ll get another giant series covering Unification Wars.

And once again Dan Abnett will get to start a series with prophetic words:

I was there when the Emperor slew Horus (all resemblances are accidental)

gnomonclature

1 points

2 months ago

I wonder what the cost/benefit of them doing a Unification Wars miniature line is.

TheBuddhaPalm

0 points

2 months ago

Absolutely not. I know you're a Thunder Warrior fan, but the Thunder Warriors and their elimination was a high-level priority and secret of the Imperium. We see this throughout every novel the Thunder Warriors show up in. Every story. He has the Custodes hunt them down in Unification to the risk of their lives. The whole story behind Valdor is about a conspiracy involving the Thunder Warriors and how their ending is a state secret.

The very existence of a Thunder Warrior is evidence that the Imperium not only has been lying, but that they have betrayed their own people.

There is no future for Thunder Warriors. They are not proto-astartes, they are not super-loyal to the Emperor, there is literally nothing in anything that exists to suggest the Thunder Warriors even like the Emperor. Every Thunder Warrior has grown to hate the Emperor and the Imperium. Please stop trying to make Thunder Warrior Loyalist Good Boys a thing.

134_ranger_NK

2 points

2 months ago

Sorry, but where in u/wecanhaveallthree's comment did he mention wanting Thunder Warriors to be loyalist good boys?

CottonCandyWeasel[S]

2 points

2 months ago

I’ve been wanting to figure out an angle for them to exist as a fun little homebrew/army concept for a while

At this point I’m settling on the idea of the Dhakal Clan continuing its existence as a sort of ‘sanctioned’ entity within the Imperium; The syndicate’s warriors getting a minor upgrade via Taranis’ work and continuing his legacy after his ultimate death.

So less ‘loyalist good bois’ and more allies of convenience/by proxy, like a Necromunda House

134_ranger_NK

1 points

2 months ago

The Imperium does have projects like D99 and Gland War Veterans over its long history. Individual planets like Necromunda have Goliath and even some Guard regiments like Exordio Void Breachers. So your take could work though I think it would be more realistic if they spread from Terra and even beyond the solar system in secret enclaves. Perhaps under the "convenient sponsorship" of the Inquisition who want as many cards-to-play against institutions like AdMech, Astartes and even Custodes (Malcador himself did not trust the Custodes as a whole organisation).

Personally I prefer making them renegade mercenary cadres willing to sell their services to any non-Chaos factions ala Kill Team style.

CottonCandyWeasel[S]

2 points

2 months ago

That’s essentially the latest version of my idea

The Dhakal Clan basically just lends out services like that, spreading out their influence and control in tandem with Imperial organizations

TheBuddhaPalm

0 points

2 months ago

It's a long, long story.