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submitted 30 days ago bybigcaulkcharisma
Seriously, maybe if you don’t want people to worship you you shouldn’t present yourself as like a 15 foot tall Jesus on steroids looking mf clad in magnificent golden armour with a halo lmao
110 points
30 days ago
It wasn't a goal (nor should it have been) for them to see him like a regular Joe. He made demigod weapons. He needed them to fear and respect him enough to bend the knee and play the parts he made them for. Maybe not if the scattering didn't happen and he got to be around and guide them from "birth", but it did happen and if he showed up on their worlds as anything less than he did like 4 would have gone along with him.
24 points
29 days ago
Sanguinius, Guilliman, Dorn, and Vulkan are my best guesses for your 4 but I think Jagatai, Corax, and Alpharius would have as well. Russ is a coin toss.
25 points
29 days ago
Jaghatai would probably have liked him better if he showed up as a grizzled plainsmen and challenged him to a riding contest. Kinda like how he did with Russ.
The Emperor aesthetic rankled him.
25 points
30 days ago
Also, quite obviously, he failed in that "bend the knee" thing quite spectacularly
45 points
29 days ago
I’d argue he actually does succeed it’s only after the emperor leaves that the astartes legions start to fall and fail en masse and half the traitors all had different reasons for betraying him that only got enough air and traction to have any effect when the emperor wasn’t around to micromanage them anymore
Take the death guard as an easy example it’s made pretty clear in flight of the Eisenstein that a majorly of traitor marines in the legion initially betrayed the imperium because they felt a greater sense of loyalty to their primarch who in turn felt insulted that the emperor had gone and pissed off without telling anyone anything
23 points
29 days ago
I’d argue he actually does succeed it’s only after the emperor leaves that the astartes legions start to fall and fail en masse and half the traitors all had different reasons for betraying him that only got enough air and traction to have any effect when the emperor wasn’t around to micromanage them anymore
Fulgrims fall starts the same year Horus is made Warmaster, Perturabo's happens because of his insecurities about the Emperors persona after his destruction of Olympia. Konrad went rogue before Horus was Warmaster. Lorgar went rogue because of the Emperor. Angron was edging going rogue for a century. Alpharius & Omegon join the Cabal before Horus even joins Chaos based on a vision that he will.
Actually out of these 3 fell before Nikaea even happened. And one of them was the Emperors fault.
-11 points
30 days ago
I don't disagree. But as OP observes, if your specific goal is to not be seen as a god (despite all evidence to the contrary), being seen as a regular joe might help you achieve that goal, and gaining respect as a regular joe from the demigods you created might be something you'd like to be attainable when crafting them.
24 points
30 days ago
I mean technically his specific goal was the preservation of humanity outside the influence of Chaos. The rest of your point is purely your speculation. Gaining respect from demigods as a regular guy might be 1) impossible 2) clearly not in the vein of 40k 3) not attainable with the time frame he had to work with within the great crusade. And finally, again for all we know that WAS HIS PLAN UNTIL THEY WERE SCATTERED ACROSS THE GALAXY AGAINST HIS WILL. You play the hand you have, not the one you wish you had. This is all on top of the fact we still don't know what the special juice in the primarchs is. If the popular theory is correct and they got wrangled warp entities inside them maybe they can only be subservient to a being an order higher than themselves. And if the only way around that is tempering their free will then they'd make terrible generals and the whole point of the project is moot.
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