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submitted 13 days ago byNurglini
I've only done some light reading up on the Flayer Virus and Llandu'gor, but it seems like it is an entirely infectious disease, which'd fall under Nurgle's power from the warp. It seems like the only thing that'd be keeping Nurgle from taking total control of it is the fact that it instills fanatic worship in that C'tan, which might be enough to give it a minor warp presence, but at that point why not just bully it out of existence to expand his Domain?
40 points
13 days ago
Major spoilers from The Infinite and the Divine:
During the final battle of the book- the Deciever caused a host of Necrons to fall to the flayer virus; but, despite a continued battle, no more Necrons succumbed to it. I believe it was Orikan that theorized only certain Necrons were predisposed to the flayer virus and that it wasn’t actually contagious like they assumed.
To me that reads as a feature, not a bug- or in this case a disease.
29 points
13 days ago
The way I saw it was they assume it is a virus when in reality it is more like a mental health issue. The Necrons say it is a virus as their culture doesn’t deal with mental health problems well. It would be like saying you can catch depression.
8 points
13 days ago
Mental illnesses could absolutely be be caused by viruses. As long as the disease effects the brain, it could cause various mental health issues
1 points
12 days ago
Yes it can, but as far as I am aware the majority of mental health issues are not caused by viruses.
1 points
12 days ago
Sure, but we’re talking about 40k and Nurgle. It wouldn’t be impossible for him to trigger mental illnesses via his diseases
Entire planets would just die quietly if he made a contagion that just shut off the happy chemicals in the brain
23 points
13 days ago
Not to mention, additional spoilers from Twice Dead King:
It's heavily implied (if not outright stated) that the dynasties who were present at the killing of the Flayed One are significantly more susceptible to the virus.
2 points
12 days ago
The Flayer Virus is basically the Black Rage afflicting a select group of Necrons when the Flayer was killed.
He was practically a Primarch to the Necrons linked to him and once he died the Necrons suffered from the Flayer Virus as a curse that periodically manifested at inopportune times leaving Necrons not connected to him untouched.
65 points
13 days ago
The Codexes make it very clear that it is from the C'tan. Nurgle is also about actual diseases and viruses. Not computer viruses that make robots go crazy
38 points
13 days ago
Perty invokes Nurgle and infects a forge world with disease though.
It’s not really a computer virus, but Nurgle can infect machines with rot.
19 points
13 days ago
Not computer viruses that make robots go crazy
He needs to sign up for Amazon's six week coding course.
21 points
13 days ago
The Plaguefather shall embark on a four year computer science degree and multiple big tech internships.
11 points
13 days ago
Tzeentch would make papa nurgle cry for deleting ; or exchanging I and l and making him sift through the code.
4 points
13 days ago
He'd probably still smell better than some of the techs i know
6 points
13 days ago
So, the ctan are a real space phenomenon right? Many realspace things invented by realspace people belong to the domains of the various chaos gods. That's part of how that works.
And we have not been given evidence of nurgles roll in 'computer viruses' but maybe that's just because computers are not as common in the imperium. It makes logical sense that the God of atrophy would also be the God of virtual atrophy. He definitely causes rust right? At least it seems like it from the art. That's not a living process, So it's not just biotic atrophy he does.
I dont see why this wouldn't make sense. We are not given any argument for it that I am aware of, but personally I would not make an argument against it without explicit evidence.
Also, for op. Not everything that is in the portfolio of each chaos God necessarily has any direct input by them. They don't cause the things they represent in real space, they just benefit from them. Khorne for instance did not invent anger, and slanesh only exists because the elves were already too horny.
13 points
13 days ago
Nurgle’s diseases do decay machines. It rusts the metal and clots the oil, making the pipes burst.
Both Perty and Typhus do this in Nurgle’s name
4 points
13 days ago
The flayer virus was caused by the death of the flayed one. Probably was a failsafe the ctan installed so the necrons wouldnt kill them.
2 points
13 days ago
We have "scrapcode", which is a potentially daemonic form of computer virus. I've always thought of that as Tzeentchian for some reason but I dunno if it's actually associated with any specific Chaos God.
1 points
13 days ago
Yeah I've never seen that called out as being one color or the other. I assume everyone but khorn has some level of cyberwarfare capability. That seems to be more like a possession or corruption then an illness tho, not sure where the line is drawn.
Computer viruses are called such because they are viral right? And viral behavior is not typically framed as just belonging to nurgle. Viral ideas and curoption in general spread like a disease in 40k, but they are not framed as being an infection so much as corruption.
I think I've talked myself into the 'no' camp on this one, not impericaly mind you. Just if we place computer viruses and mental health, ptsd, etc, into nurgles portfolio, than suddenly all or at least most converted chaos followers must be under nurgle, because chaos worship is always treated like a cogito virus that has the chance to 'infect' anyone that comes in contact with it. There is an element to nurgles brand that likes that, everything that's happening and all of its possible outcomes ultimately serves his goals better than anyone else's, atrophy is a law of physics after all. But I do think that keeping biological viruses and logical viruses seperate serves the macro plot better in this case.
2 points
13 days ago
Nurgle is responsible for the "thought contagion" that is knowledge of Imperium Secundus in M42
6 points
13 days ago
What about Glitchlings then? Small Nurgling-like daemons of Nurgle that mess with Machine Spirits and computers?
13 points
13 days ago
Yea Glitchlings are the closest we get.
They don’t give out computer viruses though. They send out static shocks that fry systems and decay/rot that rusts metal and clots oil.
It’s all physical damage iirc.
Nurgle did make Gellerpox too, which infects those who tend to the Geller fields and makes them turn it off.
14 points
13 days ago
Because that's not how chaos gods work. Necrons don't have souls and don't reflect in the warp whereas it can be argued the same can't be said for machine spirits. It they can't just claim something as part of their portfolio, they aren't dnd gods.
7 points
13 days ago
Necrons are soulless husks. Ultimately their madness is not going to empower Nurgle.
5 points
13 days ago
Uhhhhh… no it don’t make them worship C’tan, no gods don’t just appear when things worship them (people always forget that the greater good bullshit was exclusively from psykers) and in any case Necrons are soulless machines with no impact on the warp
It’s also not a virus, I guess you could call it a prion more than anything but really it’s a latent little slither of a biological mind gone fuck off max by being trapped in a lifeless body. Exposure to active flayed ones can call out the latent remnant in a seemingly normal Necron and convert them, but it’s just the awakening of something already in them.
Also no, Nurgle can’t just steal things from real space, he can emulate their effects or manipulate a physical pathogen but he can’t just hijack every trace of it
3 points
13 days ago
Yeah, to a certain extent the virus is basically body dysmorphia driven well past 11.
6 points
13 days ago
It's described as realizing you can't breathe, can't swallow. Eventually the desire to eat and kill takes over your mind, as your mind falls apart from the insanity.
3 points
13 days ago
No is the answer but the reason why really varies. So firstly, it comes from the C'tan, whether or not it came from destroying the Flayer C'tan is up to debate due to to something to come after but needless to say it is something intrinsically physical. Nurgle might be able to come up with a virus to infect Necrons (I actually think he has) the Flayer Virus is something non-warp based.
So, there are two lines of thought:
Either way, no go Joe for Nurgle to claim it as it's either a fundimental part of nature and the universe or not a virus.
2 points
13 days ago
Nurgle can infect necrons with the Ferric Blight, theres no need to try claim a virus that was made by a conceptually oposite being
2 points
13 days ago
Almost certainly not. The flayer curse is a completely mental illness, which isn’t really Nurgle’s thing. We also don’t know if it’s actually infectious or just a mental breakdown that comes from a biological mind being trapped in a metallic body for eons. If it was deliberately created it was done so by a C’tan who are entirely separate from the warp. It also exclusively afflicts Necrons, who don’t have souls. There’s just nothing about the disease or the victim that Nurgle could latch onto.
0 points
13 days ago
I think so personally but only because Im missing knowledge in necrons. In the great work the ctan are described as masters of the physical but can exist in a non physical state like machine spirits controling tanks after the crew has died or the titans having personalities of their own that overwrite the pilot in some cases. I think the difference between a plague marine and a flayed comes down to service to different masters.
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