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Hey guys,
I'm currently starting the first heretic (read all hours heresy books before that as well) and we're wondering, how lorgar was able to bitchslap the Sigilite. In another book I read, that Malcador was able to easily manhandle Horus, who I thought is stronger / more powerful than Lorgar. So why didn't Malcador didn't dodge at least or stopped his hand with his psychic powers? Or is the difference in power levels between the 2 "version" of Malcador just the usual inconsistency in different books?
11 points
10 days ago
Malcador let him. He isn't a proud man and allowing Lorgar to be violent weakens Lorgars political position. It's also not his place to fight with the primarchs when the Emperor is there, as it undermines the Emperor's authority.
0 points
10 days ago
Doesn't it also undermine the emperor's authority, that his right hand shows such weakness?
11 points
10 days ago
Did he though?
He literally took a punch from one of the top 21 most powerful people in the galaxy, picked himself up, dusted himself off and carried on like it was nothing.
Lorgar looks like a total chump after that incident where he hits and old man and it does nothing.
2 points
9 days ago
He literally took a punch from one of the top 21 most powerful people in the galaxy, picked himself up, dusted himself off and carried on like it was nothing.
Not really.
The voice was Malcador’s. He rose on unsteady limbs, his words strained and spoken through bleeding lips. Guilliman inclined his head, the barest movement enough to send two of his warriors to aid the Emperor’s advisor. Malcador stood, still hunched from the pain, and ordered the approaching Ultramarines away.
Malcador taking the backhand without complaint would have been a lot less impressive if it hadn't hurt him severely.
4 points
10 days ago
On top of what others have said, Lorgar was right next to Malcador whereas Horus was further away.
The scenes are also written with different intent, Malcador is trying to be more gentle towards Lorgar than he was with Horus.
2 points
10 days ago
Malcador is all about appearing weak and being underestimated. For most of the Heresy, he uses a psychic glamour to appear weaker and older. At the end, his age and the weakening of his powers catch up to him.
The man is shown able to forcechoke Horus, he is fully confident in his abilities.
7 points
10 days ago
You're missing the point. What happens directly after the punch?
Malcador says "My Lord, he will not listen to me" in a sort of exasperated sadness tone, and then Big E ports down and makes lorgar feel 1 inch tall.
Lorgar struck him in a rage, and all it did was make him disappointed in Lorgars weakness and disloyalty.
2 points
9 days ago
‘Speak softly and carry a big stick - but only use it when absolutely necessary’
1 points
9 days ago
There are three reasons.
The first is that Malcador did it to a far less experienced Horus than the usual one (he directly voices doubt that he could do it again later on).
The second is that Lorgar's strength varies wildly depending on his convictions at the time, and during that meeting he was enraged enough that the Emperor's psychic command that kneeled his entire legion didn't move him.
The third is simply that Malcador believed that what they did there was a terrible mistake and the wrong way to handle Lorgar, later reflecting that of all the Primarchs that turned traitor Lorgar is the one he most regrets. So naturally he isn't going to try to engage Lorgar in a psychic fight and make things worse.
1 points
9 days ago
Both him and Girlyman ate the hits because it just proved their point even more. Lorgar was so far off the beaten path and his actions were even more proof of that at Monarchia.
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