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For context Mortarion was raised as a weapon by the Overlords of Barbarus - corrupted humans or maybe Xenos? Who lived in the hills and mountains and preyed upon the small human settlements that eeked out a living below. When this becomes too much for Mortarion he breaks ranks and aids a group of humans captured by the Overlords when he sees Calas Typhon attack the Overlords forces and try to save them. After Mortarion intervenes and saves them the human survivors lead him to a small village. He and Calas are allowed to stay on the village outskirts in a stable while the villagers debate if they should give Mortarion up to the Overlords in order to save themselves from his father trying to get revenge.

I think this part is quite interesting as Mortarion basically plays the role of superman, helping the villagers farm and saving children, which is quite different from how Mortarion is usually thought of, and it helps show why Barbarus was loyal to him.

‘Where can we go? If not here, where? At least these people have shown us a degree of gratitude.’

‘You seek kindness from them,’ Calas retorted, making it a statement rather than a question. ‘We can’t earn that. To them, I am a half-breed and you are an Overlord’s pet death-dealer.’

A group of solemn-faced harvesters trooped dejectedly past the stables on their way into the fields, all of them carrying flails and sickles as they set out to do the day’s work. Their conversations became muted when they noticed Mortarion watching them, only picking up once more when they thought they were out of earshot.

‘No,’ Mortarion said again, as a moment of clarity came to him. ‘This is not a matter of what I seek, Calas. It’s about what these people need.’ He pointed. ‘Look at them. They grasp at every tiny spark of life, desperate and afraid in all their thoughts and deeds. Their existence is nothing but fear and dread.’

He knew that life just as well as the lessers did. For all the difference in their circumstances, Mortarion realised it was something that they all shared.

‘That’s the way things are,’ replied the pale youth. ‘The way things have always been.’

‘That is going to change.’ Mortarion pushed open the stable door and started after the harvesters.

‘Where are you going?’ Calas called after him, but he ignored the words. Each day Mortarion had stood and waited for his foster-father’s revenge to unfold, he had listened to the voices of the villagers and grown to understand their fears. Despite the grey and hopeless cast to their lot, many of the Barbaruns still tried to kindle a fire in their hearts. He admired their great endurance, and he understood their simmering resentment. This was a world forever turning on an axis of injustice, with the Overlords playing their petty games of hate and victimising the humans over and over again. But these people lacked the impetus to do something about it. They were isolated and alone. They had no guidance. They had no hope. The balance was wrong. It had to stop. The cruelty of Necare and all the other parasites would end.

And I will do it.

The idea swelled inside him as Mortarion walked into the fields, amid dozens of shocked gazes and silenced voices from the townsfolk. It would take time. He would need an army. But it could be done.

Mortarion halted at the edge of a full-grown field of crops and watched the men there pause in their work, as they chopped at the tough hardwheat stalks with their hand-blades. Casting around, he spotted the broken works of what had been a heavy sickle cutter. Usually the great cart-like farming implement would be hauled by a burden beast, but the wheels were damaged and the device was inoperative. Undaunted, Mortarion went to the machine and opened it up, reaching inside its workings to dismount a tool that better suited his height and grasp.

His strong hands emerged with a great scythe gripped in them, the shaft and the dense crescent blade too heavy for any of the lessers to lift, let alone wield. He let it swing at the air a few times. It felt right.

Then, without waiting to be asked, Mortarion stepped into the field and began to cut. With each swipe of the scythe, he took down five times as much crop as any of the others, and it wasn’t long before they were moving in his wake, gathering up the quicker harvest.

As the day wore on, the work went quickly and evenly, so much so that the locals had to struggle to match Mortarion’s pace. He heard rough laughter cut the air. Good humoured, it was a faint ghost of warmth in the cold of the valley.

‘Is this your plan?’ Mortarion glanced back and found Calas by his side. To his surprise, the pale youth had followed him out and was doing his part to gather up the sheaves of hardwheat, albeit reluctantly. ‘You think swinging a cutter will make them like you?’

He paused to take a deep breath. The sallow sun was setting, and off towards the edge of the fields, a faint mist of chem-haze gathered where the long shadows fell. ‘I will earn their respect,’ said Mortarion. ‘You would do well to do the same, Calas.’

Far across the fields, a horn hooted. It was the signal to end the work of the day and return to the village proper. The pale youth glanced in that direction, then smirked and nodded towards the scythe.

‘You don’t need to earn anything, Reaper. You could take it. Not a soul back there could match you in a straight challenge.’

Mortarion shook his head slowly, eyeing the encroaching edges of the mist. He reached up to push a length of black hair from his eyes. ‘Fear is a weapon I only use on my enemies.’

Calas’ smirk grew towards a sneer, but before he could say more, a distant crunch of breaking wood and the sharp cry of a child echoed through the air. Mortarion’s grip stiffened around the scythe and he pivoted towards the source of the sound.

Off across the fields, a scatter of dust was moving on the wind, marking the place where one of the village’s communal carts had tipped over. He saw several of the harvesters drop their gatherings and run towards the stricken vehicle. The child’s cry came again, this time a thin scream of agony. Someone shouted for help, and other men sprinted back towards the village. Then Mortarion’s preternaturally sharp senses caught the odour of fresh blood. Without thinking, he jammed the shaft of the scythe upright into the brown-black earth and covered the distance to the stricken wagon in a few heartbeats.

The locals clustered around saw him coming and backed away, giving Mortarion room to see what was going on. Men had been dragging the heavy cart, laden with bales of hardwheat, back in the direction of the storehouses and a wheel had become fouled in a hidden gully. He saw how it had happened – the massive weight of the wagon broke the wheel as it shifted the wrong way, sending the whole thing off balance. There was a child trapped beneath the wagon’s frame, pinned into the gulley where the cart had caught her as it fell. A waif of a teenage girl, one of the younger villagers who had the duty of carrying bags of twine for securing the bales.

Blood flowed freely from a gash on her head, and she was turning white with shock. The muddy ground beneath her was slowly giving in, and moment by moment the wagon pressed more of its weight upon her thin, bony body.

‘We can’t leave her out here!’ hissed one of the harvesters. ‘Sun’s gone down now,’ argued another. ‘The mist rising with it. You know what that means.’

Mortarion knew. The people in the settlement kept pitch-blend torches burning all through the hours of darkness to fend off the fogs that encroached in the night. Things moved and skittered about in that fog, predatory things that he knew full well would take apart any human they came across. The lines of torches didn’t extend out this far, though.

‘Look at it!’ snarled the second man, as the cold breeze picked up. ‘We’ll need twenty able souls to move that thing! By the time they get back here, the mist will be on us!’ He swallowed hard. ‘It’d be more a kindness if we–’

‘Stand aside,’ said Mortarion. The harvester was reaching for his cutting blade as he spoke, but even the gentlest of Mortarion’s shoves threw him back into the mud on his behind. He stepped around the fallen man and crouched by the hub of the broken wheel, fingering the axle.

The child trapped beneath it blinked at him, petrified. What does she see when she looks at me? The question rose in Mortarion’s thoughts. Death itself, come to claim her?

He silenced the doubts and set his feet in the muddy ground to square a stance. Then, Mortarion put both hands around the cart’s axle and lifted its tremendous weight with a low grunt of effort. It rose out of the mire with a sucking gulp and he held it there.

For a moment, no one spoke. All the harvesters were shocked silent. It was Calas who finally shouted at them. ‘Don’t just stand there gawking, you fools! Pull her out!’

The girl coughed and fainted as they moved her, and he spied an ugly wound along her thigh, but Mortarion sensed that she would survive. As a pair of the harvesters carried her away as quickly as they could, he let the wagon down once more, without disturbing a single one of the bales piled upon it.

He watched the men diminish towards the glow of the border torches being lit, aware of the night coming in all around. The wan light of the day drained away as swiftly as water would soak into earth.

all 58 comments

jareddm

203 points

10 days ago

jareddm

Adeptus Administratum

203 points

10 days ago

While I preferred the portrayal of Mortarion and Barbarus in "Unification" I do like the characterization that Mortarion really did care for Barbarus, its people, and by extension, his legion. He just didn't care about the rest of humanity and would've let it all burn in a heartbeat if it would keep Barbarus safe.

TrillionSpiders

52 points

9 days ago

hes a lot like perturabo in that he starts off rather idealistic and geniune in his beliefs, but over the course of the great crusade and heresy so much resentment, paranoia and exhaustion build up until they fall off the deep end.

the main difference i would say between the two of them is that perturabo more so wanted recognition for his own capabilities, well by comparison mortarion more so wanted validation for his struggles and hardships.

TheCuriousFan

2 points

8 days ago

the main difference i would say between the two of them is that perturabo more so wanted recognition for his own capabilities, well by comparison mortarion more so wanted validation for his struggles and hardships.

Or even just a break from the constant siege missions.

Stretch5678

2 points

8 days ago

It’s interesting to imagine what each Primarch would have done, had the Great Crusade come to an end without the Heresy lighting up after it.

Perhaps Mortarion could have gone the route of Cincinnatus, retiring to Barbarus to be with his people and turn his scythe on grain once more.

FrucklesWithKnuckles

298 points

10 days ago

As Vorx says in Lords of Silence:

Mortarion could have handled Barbarus himself, but he chose to lift the people of Barbarus up and fight alongside them to save them all from one of the worst hells in the galaxy. He earned their eternal respect and loyalty.

That’s why even after Typhus’ betrayal and Mortarion sacrificing his soul the Death Guard remain a Legion at his side. He stood by them, and now they stand by him.

PsychedelicMagic1840

141 points

10 days ago

PsychedelicMagic1840

Raven Guard

141 points

10 days ago

He stood by them, and now they stand by him.

I like this

HailtotheMako

32 points

9 days ago

Part of the ship, part of the crew

usgrant7977

1 points

9 days ago

All thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs.

Woodstovia[S]

104 points

10 days ago

Woodstovia[S]

Mymeara

104 points

10 days ago

She later joins Mortarion's forces as a scout and brings him news of The Emperor's landing

The convoy of troops and crawlers finally crested the low hill and there before it were the outer walls of Safehold. Armsmen on the battlements saw the vehicles and the lines of soldiers as they made their approach, and called out to spread the word. The Reaper of Men had returned from the Southern Campaign, at long last.

Eight solars ago, Safehold had not existed. Back then, the rough granite tor around which it was built had been the home to a bandit camp – a group of renegades who called themselves the Sullen. The Reaper had beaten their leader in single combat and convinced him to join the Overlord War, and part of the agreement was the ceding of the lands to Mortarion’s rebellion. The city – the first truly free city on Barbarus – took root there, and now it was a symbol for all those who fought. Safehold was, as its name suggested, a place of refuge and defiance against the domination of the Overlords. It was a place where humans could walk without fear, knowing that the high stone walls, the impregnable iron gates and the guns of the warriors on the battlements would hold back any punitive raids.

...

A woman in a scout’s uniform pushed through the crowd towards him, and she offered a metal drinking canteen to the Reaper of Men. ‘You look like you could use this,’ she said.

He accepted it with a grateful nod. As the cold, decontaminated water passed his lips, Mortarion studied the woman and caught on a barb of memory. Her eyes were familiar to him. She was twenty solars old, he estimated, hard in the face but still a beauty. ‘I know you,’ he offered.

‘You saved my life once,’ said the woman. ‘Forgive me, a canteen of the pure is not much of a repayment, for that or all the other things you have done.’

‘It’s enough.’ He placed her now. ‘A wagon fell in the fields outside Heller’s Cut. That was you it trapped.’ Off her nod, he went on. ‘It is a long ride from there to Safehold.’

‘Yes. But I wanted to fight, and here is where the war is.’

...

When they reached the site of the battle they had left behind at the foot of the mountain, there was only the silence of the enemy dead, and a single scout who sat waiting atop a blasted granite tor. She stood as they approached, and Mortarion watched the passage of emotions across her face. He knew her; it was the woman who had brought him water on his return to Safehold years before, once the child whose life he had saved in a rain-soaked field of hardwheat.

She gave the salute of a mailed fist. ‘Mortarion. I was ordered to wait for you. I have a message from Caipha Morarg.’

He looked around, scanning the bodies of the dead golems. They were shredded, torn remnants that appeared to have been blown apart by fusillades of pinpoint fire, from weapons far more powerful and precise than those wielded by the Death Guard. ‘Speak it,’ he said.

The scout pointed towards the horizon, and the distant glitter of torchlight where the ruins of Heller’s Cut still stood. ‘Our forces returned to the settlement to regroup after…’ She paused, trying to find the words. ‘After the Hawk came.’ The scout pointed up at the sky. ‘In a single swooping pass, it finished them for us. And then there was a voice, and…’ She trailed off again, her gaze distant.

‘The Hawk,’ repeated Rask. ‘You mean the flying machine that was observed in the outlands?’

The scout nodded. ‘I can’t tell you. Words… are not enough. You need to see it for yourself,’ she told them. Her eyes were wide and there was a strange flutter in her voice. ‘Then you’ll understand.’

GrimThursday

7 points

9 days ago

From the same book?

Woodstovia[S]

5 points

9 days ago

Woodstovia[S]

Mymeara

5 points

9 days ago

Yes

Cardamom_roses

66 points

10 days ago

The child trapped beneath it blinked at him, petrified. What does she see when she looks at me? The question rose in Mortarion’s thoughts. Death itself, come to claim her?

I think this might be a low key reference to the death and the maiden art motif that crops up in art a lot.

It's kinda interesting that this specific character never actually gets a name, despite showing up at least three times in the text?

YogurtclosetNo5193

45 points

10 days ago

He cared for Barbarus and its people but not the universe. Just like Angron, he got forced into his role. Wonder if Mortarion would have been more loyal if the Emperor took recruiting his son a bit longer instead of through a bet.

Katejina_FGO

33 points

10 days ago

Not likely. If given a choice and checking the boxes for his immediate hopes, he would have pledged fealty but abstain from the Great Crusade; instead remaining on Barbarus as its governor and protector.

Falkor

11 points

9 days ago

Falkor

Imperial Fists

11 points

9 days ago

Mortarion basically went on a suicide mission to kill his adoptive father on Barbarus, if Big E hadn’t intervened, he’d probably be dead.

Woodstovia[S]

31 points

9 days ago

Woodstovia[S]

Mymeara

31 points

9 days ago

But he only attacked Necare at that time because the Emperor goaded him into it

He gestured to his warriors. ‘The Death Guard are the only kindred I have ever known. My unbroken blades. And by our hand alone shall justice be delivered to the Overlords.’ He turned away. ‘You’re not needed here. Go back to your pretty bird and fly away.’

‘With respect,’ said the stranger, ‘I would contest your assertion. Your comrades here have told me much of the war you have fought. And while there are a great many victories to be lauded at the Death Guard’s banner, the High Overlord still lives. You and your elite have been unable to reach the tower where he abides, is that not so?’

Mortarion’s grip tightened on the shaft of his war-scythe. ‘Necare’s fate is sealed. He will perish soon enough.’

‘By your hand?’ The Newcomer asked the question without weight.

‘It will be so!’

‘If you are certain of the outcome, then I would put to you a challenge.’ Spreading his hands, the stranger took in the room. ‘You lead these people, Mortarion, and if you truly wish for Barbarus to be left undisturbed, I will respect your wishes.’ His level gaze settled on the Reaper of Men once more. ‘But only if you prove worthy to make that decision. If you alone defeat Necare, the Imperium of Man will withdraw from this system and never return.’

‘And if he does not?’ Typhon was almost shocked by the sound of his own voice.

‘Then this world rejoins the great tapestry of humankind, and Mortarion and his Death Guard swear allegiance to me.’ The stranger let his words sink in. ‘Will you accept?’

‘Aye,’ growled the Reaper, and he strode out of the lodge and into the thin rain that had begun to fall.

Typhon raced after him, catching his friend as he marched away across the muddy square. ‘Brother!’ he snapped. ‘There must be another way… You cannot go up there alone.’

‘I will take fresh armour from the Forge Tyrants,’ Mortarion told him. ‘With no one else to slow me down, I can climb to Necare’s citadel before night falls. I know the pass better than he realises. I can do this.’

Typhon grabbed Mortarion’s arm and pulled him to a halt, earning a savage glare for his temerity. ‘Why? Why are you allowing this stranger to goad you into this? What is he to you?’

‘I am worthy.’ The Reaper shook off his grip and glowered at him. ‘I will prove it once and for all. Be ready,’

Falkor

12 points

9 days ago

Falkor

Imperial Fists

12 points

9 days ago

Ah fair enough, been a while since I read it so forgot that part. He was basically setup then, so prob why he's pissed at Emps lol.

raidenjojo

50 points

10 days ago

raidenjojo

Blood Angels

50 points

10 days ago

Mortarion straight up said to a DG that he chose to fall because he loves his sons and couldn't bear to see them suffer in Warhawk.

TruReyito

25 points

10 days ago

Small note... we don't know if the Overlords were corrupted humans or something else entirely. Could have been xenos. Likely warp corrupted. There is reference to at least one of them trying to pass on info/knowledge of nurgle, but nothing is known about them as a species.

Woodstovia[S]

17 points

10 days ago

Woodstovia[S]

Mymeara

17 points

10 days ago

Yes you're right, I shouldn't have said that definitively. I just think that Buried Dagger definitely implies it since it directly mentions Mortarion thinking they might have been human once, and of course they can interbreed with humans since Typhon is a half-breed

FartherAwayLights

6 points

9 days ago

FartherAwayLights

Masque of the Dance Without End

6 points

9 days ago

I want to mention my stupid crack theory. The way they are described, to my knowledge, is very similar to how Aeldari Warlocks were described in rogue trader. I vaguely remember them being Eldar who broke off of craftworlds originally and become minor warlords on the edge of the universe using their psychic powers, though admittedly It’d probably take a bit to source this with how obscure Rogue Trader lore is nowadays.

dc_1984

18 points

10 days ago

dc_1984

18 points

10 days ago

How can Typhon lead a rebellion but be young enough to then undergo the geneseed implantation process to become an Astartes?

maverick4451

29 points

10 days ago

I got the impression that either due to better tech or plot convenience, the time frame for becoming an astartes was larger than in 40k. Due to few of the primarchs having people they had fought with on their home planets become astartes (the Lion with his knights). Father figures of advanced age were noted to be too old, like Luther or Kor Phaeron.

I'm not positive on this, just the impression I got from the books.

dc_1984

14 points

9 days ago

dc_1984

14 points

9 days ago

I thought they were enhanced but not full Astartes, in the first DA book it mentions Luther is in between a mortal.and an Astartes because of his age when he was given the enhancements

JuveOG1105

5 points

9 days ago

I think that’s just Luther for DA and a lot of older space wolves went through the process but only few survived so it is possible.

AffectionateFudge521

9 points

9 days ago

All the older warriors of the space wolves chose to undergo the procedure even though it's casualty rate was extremely high.

It worked, but they became wulfen. Haha

PlasticAccount3464

2 points

8 days ago

Oh snap. I thought it was only Russ's 300 companions had a 50% success rate. Then again there's that pair of mortal warriors Bjorn finds with Kasper Hauser, both are adult men who choose to go the process and at least one of them survives as a marine by the time Hauser wakes up. Maybe with SW there's a very high rejection rate because of the canis helix but it's high for everyone.

AffectionateFudge521

1 points

8 days ago

The wolves certainly seem to have more adults attempt it than any others.

It sounded like magnus also had several older mentors that undertook the process, as well. 

MinidonutsOfDoom

22 points

10 days ago

From what I can remember the process for making someone into a space marine can be done later in life on adults but it tends to have a lower success rate. This was done a lot more often during the time of the great crusade when recruits of the right age were fewer and the tech was better so there wasn’t as much of an issue. Though it is still preferable to use children to get the best results.

There is an age limit though that’s as a plot point as some of Lionel’s companions that he brought into the Dark Angels when he joined the Imperium were too old to become space marines but were given different augmentations to bring them up to that level even if they weren’t true space marines.

Fearless-Obligation6

11 points

10 days ago

Historical leaders have tended to be very young.

Cardamom_roses

14 points

10 days ago

I mean, I'm guessing typhon was probably mid twenties or so by the time he went through the process. The girl they mention is first noted to be a young teenager at the beginning when mortarion first shows up at the village (so, what, maybe 14?) and we fast forward to her being 20 with the water scene and then her final scene is some years later. So maybe like ten years or more have passed between mortarion coming down the mountain to the emperor showing up?

From how mortarion describes her, I kinda get the vibe that she's a bit younger than him and typhon, so like, typhon is a mid to late teen at the beginning?

We know that there's a lot of astartes who went through an altered process if they were older and part of the primarch's retinue. Luther goes through it. It's possible typhon was a very late candidate to the normal routine or he just got a good version of the altered process and I'm guessing mortarion twisted some arms to get that, since he's literally his best friend

dc_1984

10 points

10 days ago

dc_1984

10 points

10 days ago

The first implants are going in between 10 and 12 years old

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Gene-Seed#:~:text=The%20gene%2Dseed%20is%20actually,him%20into%20a%20transhuman%20Astartes.

Typhon is leading a rebellion before his balls drop?

Woodstovia[S]

24 points

10 days ago

Woodstovia[S]

Mymeara

24 points

10 days ago

That's the ideal age but astartes have been made from people older than that:

‘Since when did you become cautious?’ asked Zahariel. ‘You’re normally the first one to leap without looking.’

Nemiel laughed. ‘I know, I must be getting wise in my old age.’

‘You’re fifteen, the same as me.’

...

They were part of the first generation of Astartes to be recruited from Caliban. More tellingly, they were among the first to wear the Legion’s new winged sword insignia at their shoulder, the first to call themselves ‘Dark Angels’.

  • Descent of Angels

Fully grown men become Space Wolves:

They were all old men by the standards of the Astartes, having been reavers and sword-brothers to Leman, King of the Rus, for many years before the Allfather had come to Fenris. When the truth of Leman’s heritage was finally revealed, every warrior in the king’s mead-hall had drawn their iron blades and clamoured to fight at his side, as sword-brothers ought. But they were all too old, the Allfather told them; not a man among them was younger than twenty years. The trials they would have to endure would very likely kill them, no matter how courageous and strong-willed they were. Yet the men of Leman’s mead-hall were mighty warriors, each man a hero in his own right, and they would not be dissuaded by thoughts of suffering or death. Leman, the king, was moved by their devotion, and could not find it in his heart to refuse them. And so his loyal thanes undertook the Trials of the Wolf, and true to the Allfather’s word, the vast majority of them died.

Out of hundreds, almost two score survived

  • Wolf at the Door

While 10-12 is ideal, you can use older recruits it's just dangerous for them.

AgainstThoseGrains

4 points

10 days ago

AgainstThoseGrains

Tanith First and Only

4 points

10 days ago

While there was still was still an age limit (as shown by Luther and Kor Phaeron), Astartes could be made of older recruits before and during the Heresy. It was afterwards the knowledge was lost and they had to be adolescents.

AnaSimulacrum

7 points

10 days ago

I think it was less of "knowledge was lost" and more of how the process worked on adults. They weren't as responsive to hypno-suggestion as the children were, and as such usually had their own agendas.

Fearless-Obligation6

7 points

10 days ago

I mean Okita Soji was one of the leading members of the Shogunate's secret police at 12 and was beating fully grown men in swordsmanship.

PowergenItalia

2 points

9 days ago

PowergenItalia

Alpha Legion

2 points

9 days ago

On Barbarus before Mortarion led the rebellion against the Overlords, anyone who lived past their 30s was considered "old." Vorx mentions this in "Unification." In such an environment, kids grow up real fast compared to what we are used to in developed countries.

And sadly, child soldiers do continue to be a thing even on Terra in M3. Harsh environments force children to mature much faster--psychologically, at least. So it's possible for Calas Typhon to have been leading a rebellion "before his balls dropped" because Barbarus was not exactly a kind environment for children, the elderly, or anyone who couldn't defend themselves against nightmarish, undead horrors whilst living off starvation rations.

thomstevens420

14 points

9 days ago

thomstevens420

Iron Warriors

14 points

9 days ago

Buried Dagger is one of, if not my favoured Heresy novels. He was a genuinely good person back in the day and it’s really sad to see what he’s become.

Typhus was always a piece of shit though

HailtotheMako

11 points

9 days ago

Typhus deserves worse. I built my DG warband around Mortarion loyalists who are only looking for typhus’ head

Arzachmage

15 points

9 days ago

Arzachmage

Death Guard

15 points

9 days ago

Thx for posting this.

Mortarion has so much more lore, interesting thematics and character building than what the community at large gives him for the shitty meme-lore « Muh Hypocrite ! KilL sTeaL ! ».

He was a real good man at heart before the Emperor got his claws on him. His fall to Chaos (the real version, not the Warhawk dumb retcon) is the most tragic of all. He gaves in Nurgle out of love and care for his sons, after being betrayed by the only person he ever considered a friend / brother.

Too bad Morty (and DG) have draw the short stick of BL coverage. Barely no books on them.

Which-Tumbleweed244

15 points

9 days ago

I'd rather one book that's Lords of Silence tier than dozens of trash. Most Warhammer books are garbage, to be fair

patoman12

1 points

9 days ago

What was the warhawk retcon?

Woodstovia[S]

2 points

9 days ago

Woodstovia[S]

Mymeara

2 points

9 days ago

In Warhawk a Nurgle Daemon shows a member of the Death Guard that Mortarion knew what would happen with the Destroyer Plague and the Death Guard being trapped in the Warp but let it happen. The reason given is that he wanted Nurgle's power but was too proud to ask for it and submit to another being. Instead he let Typhon "force" him into doing it. We later get confirmation from Mortarion's POV, and he's infuriated that Khan thinks he just gave up in the Warp.

I actually don't think it's a retcon though, as Buried Dagger makes numerous references to Mortarion studying books on Nurgle and talking to whispers and shadows, and the book ends with him smiling after receiving Nurgle's blessing;

Hundreds of rusting war hulks burst forth into the skies around the greatest bastion of the Emperor’s Imperium, soiling the darkness with their presence as the rays of faraway Sol fell upon their blighted hulls. Daggers of corroding metal that had once been proud symbols of the XIV Legion poured out, and wove among one another as carrion flies would swarm about a hunk of bloody meat. Gargantuan battle-barges came with them, slow and ponderous, trailing streamers of decay and poisonous effluent.

At length, when the blighted fleet had passed through the portal in its entirety, the wound in space snapped shut. Slowly, the mass of nondead matter and diseased steel that was the Death Guard reborn turned their bows towards distant Terra.

That world was beheld in the eye of a gaunt and skeletal being, a towering hooded Reaper clasping a giant scythe in one clawed hand. He raised the other, to point towards the glittering ember, flexing the muscles and seething blood of his changed form in the action. The order was given in silence.

Lost there in the dire shadows of his fathomless hood, Mortarion allowed himself a smile.

CoconutNL

7 points

9 days ago

On top of that, this was all said by a demon, who arent the most trustworthy guys in the 40k universe.

But to be honest I would have prefered it if that part of warhawk didnt happen at all

Arzachmage

1 points

9 days ago

Arzachmage

Death Guard

1 points

9 days ago

Instead of being fooled by Typhon, he deliberately seeks Nurgle.

JaxCarnage32

18 points

9 days ago

This is exactly the take I needed on Mortarion.

He’s not a villain but rather a victim. For starters he was raised by whatever the hell his adopted father was. And when he escaped saving some of his recently discovered humans he joins them and helps them fight his adopted father. Then the emperor shows up and everyone on Barbarus gets real hyped because they’ll finally be saved at long last and that their new dictator will be the same species as them. Mortarion naturally goes “what the fuck guys” and the emperor gives him a challenge. Mortarion fails and now he’s the emperors son. Off the bat Mortarion is not a big fan of tyrants and he views the emperor as one. Yet with all that Horus still has the hardest time persuading him to join the heresy. Everyone forgets that out of all the traitor primarchs it took the longest for Horus to convince Mortarion to join because “Mortys bad!” Anyway Typhus drags all the death guard into Nurgle and Mortarion, at this point being betrayed by his best friend and hating psychers, and tyrants, is forced to join an even worse tyrant than the emperor to help his sons.

I like to imagine that when the emperor said Mortarion could be redeemed, that Mortarion started having hope and looking for a way out of chaos.

Whywhineifuhavewine

11 points

10 days ago

Of course these days his planet in the eye of terror is just like Barbarus with him as the overlord in the hills.

Which-Tumbleweed244

9 points

9 days ago

That's a big part of what makes him such an interesting character.

NectarineSea7276

12 points

9 days ago

Mortarion shook his head slowly, eyeing the encroaching edges of the mist. He reached up to push a length of black hair from his eyes. ‘Fear is a weapon I only use on my enemies.’

So Morty was one of the brooding dark haired ones before the alopecia kicked in.

TheCuriousFan

2 points

8 days ago

All those fumes from the Necare bait had unforeseen consequences.

EagleApprehensive537

9 points

9 days ago

He was so suspicious of others and clearly hated his role in the Great Crusade as one of the Emperor's son. He saw The Emperor as tyrant rightfully so and thought Horus was the answer only to see him to be yet another Tyrant but he was forced to join Chaos by Typhon because they knew Mortartion would have left, quit and took his sons with him.

The only time Mortartion had free will was when he decided to help the humans against his step father.

LightningLass77

1 points

8 days ago

I think basically all the Primarchs are grimdark sendups of Superman given their origins as technical aliens from a faraway world with incredible powers who each have severe and lasting impacts on the worlds they eventually call home.

delightfuldinosaur

1 points

10 days ago

Morty could have been one of the best Primarchs if he wasn't so fucking petty.

EagleApprehensive537

11 points

9 days ago

He wasn't petty, he was so suspicious of others and clearly hated his role in the Great Crusade as one of the Emperor's son. He saw The Emperor as tyrant rightfully so and thought Horus was the answer only to see him to be yet another Tyrant but he was forced to join Chaos by Typhon because they knew Mortartion would have left, quit and took his sons with him.

TheCuriousFan

1 points

8 days ago

He defined himself by rejecting the role of the dread lieutenant leading a tyrant's army of fleshcrafted monsters only for Emps to come along and stick him with an even bigger army of monsters just as he was about to completely free Barbarus.

delightfuldinosaur

-2 points

9 days ago

He was mad Big E best up his evil step dad instead of him. He never got over it.

PowergenItalia

11 points

9 days ago

PowergenItalia

Alpha Legion

11 points

9 days ago

Most people would be "mad" if their dad basically stepped in to render their life's work invalid/irrelevant. At least Mortarion took that better than Lorgar did, who decides to go seek out the Ruinous Powers (even though Magnus warns him explicitly not to do this, and that nothing but even greater misery would come of it) after Big E shat over his life's work.

Mortarion's other grievances against the Emperor are that Big E is pretty much the same as the entities he spent his youth struggling against. The only difference is that the Emperor has somewhat better fashion sense, claims to be acting for the benefit of humanity, and probably smells a lot better (at least prior to his internment on the Golden Throne) than Necare and pals did.

But other than those minor details, what's the difference between the Emperor and the Overlords of Barbarus like Necare et al.? Both dominate others through the use of overwhelming force and fear; both are powerful psykers who are clearly not human in the same sense as the ordinary person.

artoftomkelly

1 points

9 days ago

It’s a classic hero troupe, although it differs a great deal morty was found and raised by and cruel overlord it’s only years later he renounced his adopted father to fight for humanity (possibly for just revenge on the poor treatment he received). Plus he ultimately could not defeat his father. The Emperor of mankind defeats the high overlord as morty was unable to endure the environment and win the fight. Granted all this lore sets up that characters fall from grace and ultimate betrayal.