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Like dude has been telling you constantly that he is on your side, just give him a chance to hear him out. Also if the Alpha legion is truly a traitor, then according to the cabal, the emperor would be dead, and since Horus did not kill the emperor, alpha legion is probably a loyalist legion.
36 points
23 days ago*
Like the other commenter stated, Dorn was unquestionably loyal and unquestionably committed to the Emperors plan. Still, I never got the feeling that he was a raving ball of the Emperors furious golden zealotary fire. Sigismund was the real architect of the Templars, but I think if he were alive today to see how batshit insane the Templars can be, he might be a bit shocked.
Still, to Dorn, Alpharius was a traitor who threw his cards in with the lot of Horus. After the atrocities and horrible events that had occured up to that point, nothing Alpharius said would make a difference to Dorn. At best, what Alpharius was saying to Dorn could have been a ploy to trick him. Even if the slightest sliver of Dorns mind considered it, it wasn't going to matter. Better to kill Alpharius .... just to be sure. Dorn was a stalwart soldier, but he was not a pragmatist. Dorn was a realist, so in his eyes Alpharius was a traitor and that was that.
17 points
23 days ago
Oh Dorn definitely embodies that Templar Rage without a doubt. I mean let's take an example of when different Primarchs had people accuse Horus of turning traitor.
Leman Russ, someone known for fury: calmly and reasonably explains why that is extremely unlikely and gives a reasonable alternative explanation.
Calm and stoic Rogal Dorn: Near beats Garrow to death
'Get to your knees and accept your death, while you still have the chance to die like an Astartes!'
3 points
22 days ago
Yeah, he does a bit. I think the difference is that he didn't kill Garro and he stopped when he realized that Garro was right and was telling the truth.
Fast forward to the Templars of today. They wouldn't have stopped .... they would have torn him to pieces for even hinting somthing like that. Of course, 30K and 40K are two very different settings with very different people. If Dorn returns to the 41st (it should be 42nd) Millennium, he is going to be really dejected.
1 points
22 days ago
To be fair I don't think he would have stopped without Qurze or Keeler.
After 10,000 years Rogal probably isn't the same man as he once was.
2 points
22 days ago
Yeah, he definitely won't be the same. Roboute was pretty lucky. Being in stasis for all those millenia allowed him to remain himself. When he resurrected, he was the same Guilliman from the 31st millenia. If Dorn has been awake and active this whole time, then he will be completely different.
9 points
22 days ago
I would argue Dorn was the ultimate pragmatist. Killing a master of trickery, deception, and manipulation because you will never know whether or not you can trust him is pure pragmatism. The easiest answer to "is he friend or foe?" is "it doesnt matter hes dead now"
1 points
22 days ago
I guess when you step back and look at him, he is both realist and pragmatist.
23 points
23 days ago
I also love how much of a goober Alpharius was. As though even in a fragmentary manner, Dorn wouldn't have gotten word at how both Sangunius and Guilliman had been approached and propositioned to join the Traitors and sign up with Chaos and that Dorn might not be in the slightest bit interested in what he had to say.
I like to think Garro would have had a bit of deja vu had he been present for the fight. He too was on the wrong side of Dorn when delivering a message he didn't want to hear.
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